Consensus "Greatest of All Time" (GOAT) List

JazzyJeff87 said:
I applaud your vote. People keep using points on efren who is like a hundred in the lead and in no way going below first. We need more love for the lower listees
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Agreed. The Top 1 and the Top 3 are a lock. Let's use the remaining votes to refine 4-6 and 7-11, which are wide open.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 209
2 - Earl Strickland - 118
3 - Shane Van Boening - 109
4 - Nick Varner - 95
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 94
6 - Mike Sigel - 86
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 50
9 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
10 - Johnny Archer - 47
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 46

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 49): 9 Ball Fan, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, Luxury, maha, Maniac, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Thank you for participating,
Dave

PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
 
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JazzyJeff87 said:
I applaud your vote. People keep using points on efren who is like a hundred in the lead and in no way going below first. We need more love for the lower listees
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I disagree completely. This is about, in our own opinions, the greatest. Watering down first, in order to help second in my opinion is a disservice to this as a whole.

Maybe Efren should win by several hundred points to solidify his legacy. Maybe Earl and the rest should lose by several hundred points in order to show just how distant they are in the court of public opinion.
 
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mattb said:
I disagree completely. This is about, in our own opinions, the greatest. Watering down first, in order to help second in my opinion is a disservice to this as a whole.

Maybe Efren should win by several hundred points to solidify his legacy. Maybe Earl and the rest should lose by several hundred points in order to show just how distant they are in the court of public opinion.
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Both sides of the argument have valid points, and people also interpret "GOAT" in radically different ways. That's why a voting process like this, involving lots of participants, is useful ... it leads to a consensus among a diversity of opinions and interpretations.

Regards,
Dave
 
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pt109 said:
I’m not real happy about moving Nicky back to fifth...one of my favorite people....
...and possibly the only player from the Western Hemisphere that beat Efren in his
prime in a race to 50 in his home country.

And because these are popularity contests, Dallas West doesn’t make the list....
...he played all pool games at top level, and nobody on the list, including Efren, was going
to beat him on a carom table.
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Is that all carom games or just 3 cushion?
 
parvus1202 said:
rd2
Reyes 3
Busty1
Pagu1
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Whoa!!! That's a lot of Pinoy love there. :thumbup:

IMHO, Bustamante has not accomplished near as much as Shane (or even Earl if we're just talking rotation games), and on head-to-head match-ups, I'm thinking Shane has gotten the best of Alex more so than the other way around.

But then.....this IS basically a popularity poll so.....carry on. :D

Maniac
 
pt109 said:
I’m not real happy about moving Nicky back to fifth...one of my favorite people....
...and possibly the only player from the Western Hemisphere that beat Efren in his
prime in a race to 50 in his home country.

And because these are popularity contests, Dallas West doesn’t make the list....
...he played all pool games at top level, and nobody on the list, including Efren, was going
to beat him on a carom table.
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On the subject of great pool players 1970-present who also played pro speed 3-cushion, don't leave out Larry "Boston Shorty" Johnson, whom I believe was a bit stronger than Dallas West at caroms.
 
Second round votes:
Varner 3
Pagulayan 1
Orcollo 1

No need to explain my votes for Nick.
He was a monster in all pocket billiard games during his prime. He beat everyone.
Alex is my #1 in 1-P, in the top 15 in rotation, but is relatively weak in 14.1 because he doesn't play it very often.
Dennis has run over 200 balls in 14.1 several times, is in the top 5 in 1-P, and probably in the top 10 in all rotation games.
 
9 Ball Fan said:
Will there be a 3rd round of voting?
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Nope. The 1st round go us down to 10 (+1). The 2nd round is refining the Top 10. The top 3 appear to be locked in, but 4-6 and 7-11 are definitely subject to movement with the remaining voting.

Current Top 10 GOAT List:

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 209
2 - Earl Strickland - 118
3 - Shane Van Boening - 109
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 94
5 - Nick Varner - 90
6 - Mike Sigel - 86
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 50
9 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
10 - Johnny Archer - 47
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 46
 
Rimfirejunkie said:
Rd 2
Varner-5
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You just moved Nick from 5 to 4 above Alex. These two have flip-flopped several times during 2nd round voting.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 209
2 - Earl Strickland - 118
3 - Shane Van Boening - 109
4 - Nick Varner - 95
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 94
6 - Mike Sigel - 86
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 50
9 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
10 - Johnny Archer - 47
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 46

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 49): 9 Ball Fan, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, Luxury, maha, Maniac, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Thank you for participating,
Dave

PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
 
parvus1202 said:
rd2
Reyes 3
Busty1
Pagu1
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Sorry, but you are on the "already voted in 2nd round" list (see below). You are allowed to vote only once in each round, and you are not allowed to change your vote.

dr_dave said:
B]People who have already voted in the second round[/B] (total number: 49): 9 Ball Fan, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, Luxury, maha, Maniac, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.
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kkdanamatt said:
Second round votes:
Varner 3
Pagulayan 1
Orcollo 1

No need to explain my votes for Nick.
He was a monster in all pocket billiard games during his prime. He beat everyone.
Alex is my #1 in 1-P, in the top 15 in rotation, but is relatively weak in 14.1 because he doesn't play it very often.
Dennis has run over 200 balls in 14.1 several times, is in the top 5 in 1-P, and probably in the top 10 in all rotation games.
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Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 209
2 - Earl Strickland - 118
3 - Shane Van Boening - 109
4 - Nick Varner - 98
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 95
6 - Mike Sigel - 86
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 50
9 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
10 - Johnny Archer - 47
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 50): 9 Ball Fan, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Thank you for participating,
Dave

PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
 
follownoone said:
Johnny 3
Nick 2
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You just moved Johnny from 10 to 9 above Wu.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 209
2 - Earl Strickland - 118
3 - Shane Van Boening - 109
4 - Nick Varner - 100
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 95
6 - Mike Sigel - 86
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 50
9 - Johnny Archer - 50
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 51): 9 Ball Fan, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Thank you for participating,
Dave

PS: Remember, we're not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.
 
Today's all around greatest players, considering rotation (10 ball), straight pool, one pocket, banks and eight ball:

1a. Alex Pagulayan
1b. Dennis Orcullo
3. Shane Van Boening
4. Jason Shaw
5. Francisco Bustamante
6. Corey Deuel

20 years ago

1. Efren Reyes
2. Nick Varner
3. Mike Sigel
4. Shannon Daulton
5. Earl Strickland
 
hi dave,

for the second round I got:

efren- 4
busty- 1

I sort of alluded to it in my initial post here, but to me, longevity is a key attribute to be considered for GOAT status- who has done it better, for longer than efren?

and busty is still hangin' tough at 50+, too!
 
BRLongArm said:
Today's all around greatest players, considering rotation (10 ball), straight pool, one pocket, banks and eight ball:

1a. Alex Pagulayan
1b. Dennis Orcullo
3. Shane Van Boening
4. Jason Shaw
5. Francisco Bustamante
6. Corey Deuel

20 years ago

1. Efren Reyes
2. Nick Varner
3. Mike Sigel
4. Shannon Daulton
5. Earl Strickland
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If you want to make your opinions official, please vote per the instructions on the first post. You missed the first round where you could have helped get some of your chosen players into the Top 10, but you can still influence the final Top 10.

Catch you later,
Dave
 
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