Consistency issues?

Hustler84

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I have been playing off and on for almost 13 years now, and I am having issues with playing consistent pool. I am 28 years old now, and I find that when I was a little younger I never had this issue much. I have always played fairly well, and I go through my pre-shot routine everytime before I shoot. I just find myself second guessing myself more these days, and I am wondering if there is any pointers or tips anyone could give me to help out with this. I mean, it has to be a mental issue because my physical mechanics look great. And I know exactly what to do on every shot, but it seems that I over think things a lot more now. I would appreciate any help at all! Especially if anyone else has had this issue. Thanks in advance for any input. :)
 
I have been playing off and on for almost 13 years now, and I am having issues with playing consistent pool. I am 28 years old now, and I find that when I was a little younger I never had this issue much. I have always played fairly well, and I go through my pre-shot routine everytime before I shoot. I just find myself second guessing myself more these days, and I am wondering if there is any pointers or tips anyone could give me to help out with this. I mean, it has to be a mental issue because my physical mechanics look great. And I know exactly what to do on every shot, but it seems that I over think things a lot more now. I would appreciate any help at all! Especially if anyone else has had this issue. Thanks in advance for any input. :)


Isn't consistency the issue we all struggle with? I know that personally it is for me and I'm subject to go off the air anytime. But, here are a couple of things I've learned over the years: first off, just because you have a PSR and everything looks good, don't believe you have found and are deploying your optimal PSR. IOW, your current PSR may set you up to look pretty as a picture, but there are no style points in pool. What matters is putting the balls into the pockets and making the cue ball go where you want it to. So experiment and find a PSR that makes that happen, or a least makes it happen more frequently. When you find a combination and sequence that works you'll find that the second guessing goes away.

The other thing to keep in mind is that you can spend a lifetime playing pool and always still be improving. Playing well is a moving target and what you thought was playing well in your younger days would probably not satisfy you today. We all watch the pros on TAR or Accu-Stats or in person and they make it look soooooo easy we all end up falling into the trap of believing that is the general standard of play. That is not so, so don't beat yourself up because you're not playing like Efren.

Pool is hard. You just have to keep working your way up the mountain a little at a time.

Lou Figueroa
 
And another point, we generally tend to view our 'speed' as the best we play. The truth is- obviously- that one's real speed is somewhere below that.

It isn't realistic to believe one will play as good as his best every time he gets up to bat. Some reasons for this are within one's control; some are not.

Like Lou Flickyourtoeahh said, one should employ a sense of reality and work toward constant improvement, in order to 'play better' pool.
 
I've struggled with the consistency and confidence issue for more years than I care to mention. For me, it all comes down to a mental issue. Most times I play my opponent and not the table. When I do that, all kinds of issues come into play. Am I aiming properly, stroking, stance, bridge length, pre shot routine, etc etc. No wonder I struggle with the game.

However, one time I was playing a level 9 in 9 ball in APA. I was a 5. Race was 38 to 75. I went into the game thinking he was going to destroy me so what the hell. I was having fun, shooting good, and had no idea what the score was until the scorer said I needed two more. I wound up winning 38 to 34. For the life of me, I've never been able to duplicate this again, I concentrate too much on what my opponent is doing and what I have to do to either catch up or stay ahead. I know the answer is like in my example, is just shoot your game and have fun and forget about the other guy. Still can't do it. Anybody have any answers? Life is getting real short for me. Pushing 70. I don't play APA anymore but if I was, I would rate myself as a 7.
 
I think it all comes down to confidence. Feel like you can win, and you play well. Feel like the underdog, play like a dog. This is the same reason so many semi pros cant hold up against seasoned pros. Take a guy out of his comfort zone(beating up on amateurs) and he might start second guessing himself. It may not be a complete melt down, but even a great player can play under par if he plays scared.
 
I must respectfully disagree with the comments about mental issues and confidence. IMO, playing well happens because many small physical things happen to sync up -- some of them seemingly insignificant. The mental state is just a manifestation of confidence felt (and perhaps mild euphoria). Many of us here are often focused in on one or two of these things, like a grip, or bridge, or stance. Sometimes we're able to see them as part of a process.

I think playing well or even "dead stroke" visits us when we're doing one, two, or maybe more things differently than before. Some of the changes may be so small, we deem them unimportant and they go unnoticed. Perhaps a bit more of a step to the left, establishing contact between bridge hand and cue shaft with different motion, a slightly longer or shorter bridge, a longer or shorter grip, a slightly turned wrist there, a higher or lower head, a more level cue, a longer back stroke, a more relaxed or tighter bridge, and so on. On occasion, all this comes together to produce a precise stroke and the ability to do what we will with the cue ball. *Then* the mental part comes to us and we become absorbed by our ability to execute shots with sharpened precision. The next day, we go to the table and, because we're not machines, we do it all a bit differently.

Way back when, I would notice that if I just played very quickly, without thinking, I could play "very well." I would run around the table, collapse into a stance, throw a hodge podge of sometimes unorthodox bridges on the table, and zip the balls into the pockets. I could run a lot of balls this way. The problem was that this "system" wasn't reliable enough to count on. Nowadays, it's more the opposite. I find that it's when I'm concentrating on the balls and table, considering every nuance of the upcoming shot, position play, table layout, and using a very studied technique, that I play "very well."

So why the difference? I think it’s because the words "play very well" have a different meaning for me now than before. The lack of reliability that I experienced as a younger player was because I just wasn't good enough. The failure of my "system" was my failure as a player. I could only play so well and missed the balls and position plays I was suppose to miss -- at the time -- not knowing I was suppose to miss them and instead blaming my "system." Now, I think I have a better appreciation for how difficult the game can be, and can more clearly see what I don't know and might not be able to execute. I also now know, with much more accuracy, what playing "very well" means. Many times in the past, I thought I was playing "very well." Now, I have a much more narrow definition of those words and they require a much higher level of precision and consistency in execution than I would have used even just six months ago.

So what does this mean? I dunno. Perhaps it's just that playing well means different things to different people and different things at different times in our lives. Certainly, "dead stroke" for a player that has only been playing for a year or two, means something quite different to a player with twenty or thirty years of playing experience. And because we keep "raising the bar," dead stroke always remains elusive and a very hard place 
to get to (think carrot on a stick).

I guess I’m trying to say that playing well = playing your best for the level of experience, knowledge and talent you've amassed up to this point in your life and that that level is a moving target as you accumulate more practice time, match play, and knowledge.

Lou Figueroa
 
I must respectfully disagree with the comments about mental issues and confidence. IMO, playing well happens because many small physical things happen to sync up -- some of them seemingly insignificant. The mental state is just a manifestation of confidence felt (and perhaps mild euphoria). Many of us here are often focused in on one or two of these things, like a grip, or bridge, or stance. Sometimes we're able to see them as part of a process.

I think playing well or even "dead stroke" visits us when we're doing one, two, or maybe more things differently than before. Some of the changes may be so small, we deem them unimportant and they go unnoticed. Perhaps a bit more of a step to the left, establishing contact between bridge hand and cue shaft with different motion, a slightly longer or shorter bridge, a longer or shorter grip, a slightly turned wrist there, a higher or lower head, a more level cue, a longer back stroke, a more relaxed or tighter bridge, and so on. On occasion, all this comes together to produce a precise stroke and the ability to do what we will with the cue ball. *Then* the mental part comes to us and we become absorbed by our ability to execute shots with sharpened precision. The next day, we go to the table and, because we're not machines, we do it all a bit differently.

Way back when, I would notice that if I just played very quickly, without thinking, I could play "very well." I would run around the table, collapse into a stance, throw a hodge podge of sometimes unorthodox bridges on the table, and zip the balls into the pockets. I could run a lot of balls this way. The problem was that this "system" wasn't reliable enough to count on. Nowadays, it's more the opposite. I find that it's when I'm concentrating on the balls and table, considering every nuance of the upcoming shot, position play, table layout, and using a very studied technique, that I play "very well."

So why the difference? I think it’s because the words "play very well" have a different meaning for me now than before. The lack of reliability that I experienced as a younger player was because I just wasn't good enough. The failure of my "system" was my failure as a player. I could only play so well and missed the balls and position plays I was suppose to miss -- at the time -- not knowing I was suppose to miss them and instead blaming my "system." Now, I think I have a better appreciation for how difficult the game can be, and can more clearly see what I don't know and might not be able to execute. I also now know, with much more accuracy, what playing "very well" means. Many times in the past, I thought I was playing "very well." Now, I have a much more narrow definition of those words and they require a much higher level of precision and consistency in execution than I would have used even just six months ago.

So what does this mean? I dunno. Perhaps it's just that playing well means different things to different people and different things at different times in our lives. Certainly, "dead stroke" for a player that has only been playing for a year or two, means something quite different to a player with twenty or thirty years of playing experience. And because we keep "raising the bar," dead stroke always remains elusive and a very hard place 
to get to (think carrot on a stick).

I guess I’m trying to say that playing well = playing your best for the level of experience, knowledge and talent you've amassed up to this point in your life and that that level is a moving target as you accumulate more practice time, match play, and knowledge.

Lou Figueroa

Awesome stuff Lou. This post rings so true to me. One thing that I have noticed is that as I continue to improve it becomes clearer and clearer to me how much further I have to go on my journey to pool excellence. I really can't remember the last time I was in "dead stroke", and I think this has something to do with my understanding of what playing "very well" for me is.

I think when you have only played for a few years and you make some little tweak here or there and all of sudden you start making more balls it's easier to get yourself into dead stroke. But once you've experienced that fleeting feeling a time or two it's not as easy to believe that you are all of a sudden a better player. I don't even know if "dead stroke" exists for me anymore. I know there are times when I hit the balls a little better than other times, but it really isn't something that is totally outside of the norm for me.

As far as playing confidently is concerned, for me it all boils down to knowing what I'm capable of doing on a pool table. Having a realistic view of where your game is at really helps you avoid having your game come off the rails. When you miss a ball that you knew you really only had a 60 percent chance of making - you aren't going to fall apart. But if you're not really honest when it comes to assessing your own game you may have thought that shot was a 90%er. So then you miss it and you start yelling at yourself. Then you miss a few more and the frustration begins to boil over.

I could go on for ever but I'll stop here...good stuff Lou
 
Ok

Insightful and possibly very helpful previous posts. One thing no one really addressed was the second guessing you are doing on your shots. I quit doing this years ago and have never regretted the choice. Think back to when you were in "dead stroke", was there any second guessing then? I would bet not. On almost every shot your first choice is the right choice. Commit to that shot and shoot. If it turns out to be wrong in some way you will realize it and next time it will be much easier to commit to a different solution. Second guessing causes huge decreases in confidence resulting in lack of confidence and more missed shots. Good luck and play well.

Jo
 
Awesome stuff Lou. This post rings so true to me. One thing that I have noticed is that as I continue to improve it becomes clearer and clearer to me how much further I have to go on my journey to pool excellence. I really can't remember the last time I was in "dead stroke", and I think this has something to do with my understanding of what playing "very well" for me is.

I think when you have only played for a few years and you make some little tweak here or there and all of sudden you start making more balls it's easier to get yourself into dead stroke. But once you've experienced that fleeting feeling a time or two it's not as easy to believe that you are all of a sudden a better player. I don't even know if "dead stroke" exists for me anymore. I know there are times when I hit the balls a little better than other times, but it really isn't something that is totally outside of the norm for me.

As far as playing confidently is concerned, for me it all boils down to knowing what I'm capable of doing on a pool table. Having a realistic view of where your game is at really helps you avoid having your game come off the rails. When you miss a ball that you knew you really only had a 60 percent chance of making - you aren't going to fall apart. But if you're not really honest when it comes to assessing your own game you may have thought that shot was a 90%er. So then you miss it and you start yelling at yourself. Then you miss a few more and the frustration begins to boil over.

I could go on for ever but I'll stop here...good stuff Lou


Thanks, BD. I think you comment about knowing what you're really capable of is very insightful. We all have to be realistic. For most of us there is huge yawning gap between our amateur level play and that of the pros we try to emulate.

Lou Figueroa
 
Insightful and possibly very helpful previous posts. One thing no one really addressed was the second guessing you are doing on your shots. I quit doing this years ago and have never regretted the choice. Think back to when you were in "dead stroke", was there any second guessing then? I would bet not. On almost every shot your first choice is the right choice. Commit to that shot and shoot. If it turns out to be wrong in some way you will realize it and next time it will be much easier to commit to a different solution. Second guessing causes huge decreases in confidence resulting in lack of confidence and more missed shots. Good luck and play well.

Jo


IMO, you second guess because you're not set up right. When you're misaligned your wetware (brain) knows it and is trying to tell you, "hmmmmm, I don't think so." So you start second guessing. When you're lined up right there's none of that. You feel (know) that you're going to hit the ball solidly and all you're doing before pulling the trigger is making very small refinements in hit and speed. So second guessing, for me, is a tell that there is a mechanical problem.

Lou Figueroa
 
IMO, you second guess because you're not set up right.

Not necessarily.. you can second guess yourself all day long on things like how hard to hit it, how much left, how much top, should I carom, blah blah blah.

I had that problem for a while until I realized it was my indecisiveness that was killing me. It's part of focus.. as long as you can get down, settle in and decide for good what you are doing, some of those problems start to melt away.

H84, as long as you are confident in your PSR, I see no reason why you can't instead focus on 'how' you miss and start recalibrating your aim.

1) Decide on your shot - know that it's your shot, no questions. This was a topic a minute ago.. taking your time. Settle in, give yourself a few seconds to make this part complete - it isn't as long a time as it feels.

2) Follow through on your shot - complete it as you visualized.

3) Pay attention to how you miss - make the slightest alteration to the shot to compensate for your misaim, retake the shot.

The confidence will come on it's own.. trust yourself.

And do not confuse visualizing your shot with slacking off on finding the precise spot you will be shooting at. FOCUS! And then have a beer and smile. :thumbup:

I was doing the above pretty well last night.. until my ferrule launched into orbit. :angry:
 
I guess I look at things differently. I would fall apart if after a miss I started mulling over a check list of any sort. I'd feel like I'm second guessing myself, over analyzing my game. I try to forget about shots I miss until the match is over. Lots of misses are due to mental error, like thinking during a shot, or changing my mind after I'm down. I dont think I ever looked back and thought I missed because of grip, head position, or bridge(not to say those things dont matter). Not enough follow through would be the slightest nuance I might suspect.
 
I recently posted a thread regarding this very issue...

I have been playing off and on for almost 13 years now, and I am having issues with playing consistent pool. I am 28 years old now, and I find that when I was a little younger I never had this issue much. I have always played fairly well, and I go through my pre-shot routine everytime before I shoot. I just find myself second guessing myself more these days, and I am wondering if there is any pointers or tips anyone could give me to help out with this. I mean, it has to be a mental issue because my physical mechanics look great. And I know exactly what to do on every shot, but it seems that I over think things a lot more now. I would appreciate any help at all! Especially if anyone else has had this issue. Thanks in advance for any input. :)

Playing with confidence, is a conscious choice. You have to consciously choose to be in a confident mindset.

Easier said than done I know... It's something you have to work on, but you need to choose to play confidently.

I think that knowledge of the ability to fail is the biggest difference between when we were younger and as we get older.

We have to make the decision to willingly suspend disbelief in ourselves, the same way those of us who have been in actual combat do when we watch action movies.

Choose to play with confidence and see how things work out...

Jaden
 
I don't think so Lou....

IMO, you second guess because you're not set up right. When you're misaligned your wetware (brain) knows it and is trying to tell you, "hmmmmm, I don't think so." So you start second guessing. When you're lined up right there's none of that. You feel (know) that you're going to hit the ball solidly and all you're doing before pulling the trigger is making very small refinements in hit and speed. So second guessing, for me, is a tell that there is a mechanical problem.

Lou Figueroa

Sure there are times that we aren't in alignment and we miss. I can tell the difference though.

I can feel sometimes that I'm not lined up right and I stroke perfect and I miss.

There are also times that I'm second guessing myself when I AM lined up right and I subconsciously try to pull the ball in, or I'm contemplating using two different ways of getting to the next ball and can't commit to either, so I end up miss stroking the ball because I am not confident and not committed.

I can tell the difference between the two. The hard part with the first is actually getting yourself to reset on the shot when it feels wrong instead of just shooting it anyways.

Jaden
 
time for a change

oatmeal and flax in the morning, and oatmeal at night fixed my consistancy issues pretty much for good!:o

seriously though, if you already play at a high level, but are having troubles with consistancy. it's probably in your level of confidence. you've probably got the physical tools, but just lack faith under pressure.
 
Thanks to everyone who posted responses to help me figure out what is going on. There are lots of valid points that I will take away from this and take with me the next time i go to the poolroom to shoot. I just always find it helpful to know that there are others out there who have some of the same issues I am having, and how they deal with it. Plus, I really just like to talk about the game in general. Pool is an amazing game! I actually keep a little notebook with me, and I wilol be taking notes away from this post for future reference, and I hope that some of the ideas from this post will help. And maybe help anyone else who reads this post. :thumbup:
 
Consistency is hard to achieve. I work a rotating shift, so some weeks I only get to play once,twice if I'm lucky. Just like any sport, practice makes for better and more consistent play. I know when I had a home table and hit balls almost every day (maybe for just 30 minutes on some days), my play was much more predictable. The old saying practice makes perfect come to mind.

With that said, I believe you still have to have good mechincs to become consistent as well. If your posture, stroke, and other mechinics vary widely, consistency will be elusive IMO.
 
Last night, I missed a fair easy shot, one I've made quite alot before.

Know what I'm gonna do today?

Go to the room and shoot that shot over and over and over and over and over and over........until I get sick of it and then repeat.

This is the only true way to get over any consistency issues.

But the underlying cause is that I did not take that shot the serious because it was so simple. I forgot one of my own laws....There are no simple shots in pool.
 
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