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What's crazy is how all the doctors and scientists in the world fell for it, despite all the QAnon/Trumpbot experts assuring them it's a hoax.
Wonder where they're getting all the fake bodies...?
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I have to wear a mask for work. I have to wear a mask to attend my kids sporting events. It seems I have a mask on 95% of my day. I still got Covid. If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all.
I wish there was more I could say besides wishing you and the people around you the best of luck. Odds are all in your favor but that is small comfort.
Hu
Are you a scientist? I am. Here are your peer reviewed studies:
Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks - PubMed
The emergence of a pandemic affecting the respiratory system can result in a significant demand for face masks. This includes the use of cloth masks by large sections of the public, as can be seen during the current global spread of COVID-19. However, there is limited knowledge available on the...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities - Scientific Reports
The COVID-19 pandemic triggered a surge in demand for facemasks to protect against disease transmission. In response to shortages, many public health authorities have recommended homemade masks as acceptable alternatives to surgical masks and N95 respirators. Although mask wearing is intended...
www.nature.com
Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine
A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.
www.nature.com
A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients - PMC
The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthcare workers are inconsistent, with a change in policy in the US for universal face mask use. The aim ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
To mask or not to mask: Modeling the potential for face mask use by the general public to curtail the COVID-19 pandemic
Face mask use by the general public for limiting the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic is controversial, though increasingly recommended, and the potent…
www.sciencedirect.com
Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine
A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.
www.nature.com
A quantitative assessment of the efficacy of surgical and N95 masks to filter influenza virus in patients with acute influenza infection - PubMed
We assessed the in vivo efficacy of surgical and N95 (respirator) masks to filter reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR)-detectable virus when worn correctly by patients with laboratory-confirmed acute influenza. Of 26 patients with a clinical diagnosis of influenza, 19 had the...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The efficacy of medical masks and respirators against respiratory infection in healthcare workers - PMC
We aimed to examine the efficacy of medical masks and respirators in protecting against respiratory infections using pooled data from two homogenous randomised control clinical trials (RCTs). The data collected on 3591 subjects in two similar RCTs ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Here is a video of showing a mask prevents respiratory droplets from scaping into the air. This is performed using laser light scattering:
Are masks bad to wear for extended periods of time? No and here are some peer reviewed studies to back it up:
http://scielo.isciii.es/pdf/neuro/v19n2/3.pdf (measures the blood oxygen levels of surgeons during major surgeries)
The last paper shows that stress is a big factor in peoples breathing issues, however and I can't stress this enough, their blood oxygen levels remained the same with or without a mask. This shows that the effect is psychosomatic.
N95 masks aren't recommended for long term use:
Carbon dioxide rebreathing in respiratory protective devices: influence of speech and work rate in full-face masks - PubMed
Carbon dioxide (CO2) rebreathing in respiratory protective devices (RPDs) has been highlighted as a key concern regarding respirator use. However, the problem is relatively under researched. This paper presents novel findings on the impact of phonic respiration (breathing during speech) and CO2...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
That doesn't mean all masks are unhealthy for long term use. Please show me the peer reviewed studies that you are referencing.
Does a mask violate your constitutional rights? No. Here is an interview with a constitutional law layer:
A face mask requirement does not violate your constitutional rights
Multiple viral videos have customers claiming their constitutional rights are being violated by mask policy.
www.wthr.com
This is part of the problem. Everyone thinks they are a scientist. Everyone thinks they know how to design a study to prove a theory. You don't design a study with an answer in mind. That is what we call bias and NOT how science works. We ask open ended questions and then design experiments to answer those questions.
If everyone would stop with the political BS and look at the situation as a public health crisis, we would be far better off. I understand most people won't read all of this or even click any of the links, but stop trying to be a scientist and let us handle science. I don't ask my doctor to fix my car or my mechanic to prescribe me medication. You are right, people need to think rationally, but that isn't happening right now. Everyone wants to believe this is some big conspiracy theory, but it's not.
If you really think COVID is nothing, here is a human challenge trial:
1Day Home - 1Day Sooner
We envision a world where the risks taken by research participants are honored through maximally efficient and equitable use of […]
www.1daysooner.org
This challenge will deliberately infect you with SARS-CoV-2. This will help us with our scientific knowledge and allows us to bring vaccines and medicines to the public faster. You will have to sign a waiver, because death is a risk. I am not advocating for you to do this though, just wanted to bring it to your attention.
So you'd take offense to a small business trying to follow legal guidelines, while also trying to keep their patrons safe? You just said a lot about yourself that isn't good.
Commie. Real men would rather infect their whole family than admit libtard facts and science are real.Are you a scientist? I am. Here are your peer reviewed studies:
Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks - PubMed
The emergence of a pandemic affecting the respiratory system can result in a significant demand for face masks. This includes the use of cloth masks by large sections of the public, as can be seen during the current global spread of COVID-19. However, there is limited knowledge available on the...Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities - Scientific Reports
The COVID-19 pandemic triggered a surge in demand for facemasks to protect against disease transmission. In response to shortages, many public health authorities have recommended homemade masks as acceptable alternatives to surgical masks and N95 respirators. Although mask wearing is intended...Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine
A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients - PMC
The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthcare workers are inconsistent, with a change in policy in the US for universal face mask use. The aim ...To mask or not to mask: Modeling the potential for face mask use by the general public to curtail the COVID-19 pandemic
Face mask use by the general public for limiting the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic is controversial, though increasingly recommended, and the potent…Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine
A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.A quantitative assessment of the efficacy of surgical and N95 masks to filter influenza virus in patients with acute influenza infection - PubMed
We assessed the in vivo efficacy of surgical and N95 (respirator) masks to filter reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR)-detectable virus when worn correctly by patients with laboratory-confirmed acute influenza. Of 26 patients with a clinical diagnosis of influenza, 19 had the...The efficacy of medical masks and respirators against respiratory infection in healthcare workers - PMC
We aimed to examine the efficacy of medical masks and respirators in protecting against respiratory infections using pooled data from two homogenous randomised control clinical trials (RCTs). The data collected on 3591 subjects in two similar RCTs ...
Here is a video of showing a mask prevents respiratory droplets from scaping into the air. This is performed using laser light scattering:
Are masks bad to wear for extended periods of time? No and here are some peer reviewed studies to back it up:
http://scielo.isciii.es/pdf/neuro/v19n2/3.pdf (measures the blood oxygen levels of surgeons during major surgeries)
The last paper shows that stress is a big factor in peoples breathing issues, however and I can't stress this enough, their blood oxygen levels remained the same with or without a mask. This shows that the effect is psychosomatic.
N95 masks aren't recommended for long term use:
Carbon dioxide rebreathing in respiratory protective devices: influence of speech and work rate in full-face masks - PubMed
Carbon dioxide (CO2) rebreathing in respiratory protective devices (RPDs) has been highlighted as a key concern regarding respirator use. However, the problem is relatively under researched. This paper presents novel findings on the impact of phonic respiration (breathing during speech) and CO2...
That doesn't mean all masks are unhealthy for long term use. Please show me the peer reviewed studies that you are referencing.
Does a mask violate your constitutional rights? No. Here is an interview with a constitutional law layer:
A face mask requirement does not violate your constitutional rights
Multiple viral videos have customers claiming their constitutional rights are being violated by mask policy.
This is part of the problem. Everyone thinks they are a scientist. Everyone thinks they know how to design a study to prove a theory. You don't design a study with an answer in mind. That is what we call bias and NOT how science works. We ask open ended questions and then design experiments to answer those questions.
If everyone would stop with the political BS and look at the situation as a public health crisis, we would be far better off. I understand most people won't read all of this or even click any of the links, but stop trying to be a scientist and let us handle science. I don't ask my doctor to fix my car or my mechanic to prescribe me medication. You are right, people need to think rationally, but that isn't happening right now. Everyone wants to believe this is some big conspiracy theory, but it's not.
If you really think COVID is nothing, here is a human challenge trial:
1Day Home - 1Day Sooner
We envision a world where the risks taken by research participants are honored through maximally efficient and equitable use of […]
This challenge will deliberately infect you with SARS-CoV-2. This will help us with our scientific knowledge and allows us to bring vaccines and medicines to the public faster. You will have to sign a waiver, because death is a risk. I am not advocating for you to do this though, just wanted to bring it to your attention.
pj
chgo
No, many many doctors have made the case against the effectiveness of masks but their work has been disappeared by the censoring media. Heard much about the Danish study? And it isn't the bodies that are fake, the fake is attaching a COVID cause of death to natural deaths. For example, as COVID 'deaths' increase, heart disease deaths have plummeted. It's almost as if there is a financial incentive to reporting COVID 'deaths. Oh wait, there is.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
But what do epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford know about anything.
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Praise the lord, some actual intelligence has been injected here. Thank you!Are you a scientist? I am. Here are your peer reviewed studies:
Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks - PubMed
The emergence of a pandemic affecting the respiratory system can result in a significant demand for face masks. This includes the use of cloth masks by large sections of the public, as can be seen during the current global spread of COVID-19. However, there is limited knowledge available on the...Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities - Scientific Reports
The COVID-19 pandemic triggered a surge in demand for facemasks to protect against disease transmission. In response to shortages, many public health authorities have recommended homemade masks as acceptable alternatives to surgical masks and N95 respirators. Although mask wearing is intended...Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine
A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients - PMC
The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthcare workers are inconsistent, with a change in policy in the US for universal face mask use. The aim ...To mask or not to mask: Modeling the potential for face mask use by the general public to curtail the COVID-19 pandemic
Face mask use by the general public for limiting the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic is controversial, though increasingly recommended, and the potent…Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine
A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.A quantitative assessment of the efficacy of surgical and N95 masks to filter influenza virus in patients with acute influenza infection - PubMed
We assessed the in vivo efficacy of surgical and N95 (respirator) masks to filter reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR)-detectable virus when worn correctly by patients with laboratory-confirmed acute influenza. Of 26 patients with a clinical diagnosis of influenza, 19 had the...The efficacy of medical masks and respirators against respiratory infection in healthcare workers - PMC
We aimed to examine the efficacy of medical masks and respirators in protecting against respiratory infections using pooled data from two homogenous randomised control clinical trials (RCTs). The data collected on 3591 subjects in two similar RCTs ...
Here is a video of showing a mask prevents respiratory droplets from scaping into the air. This is performed using laser light scattering:
Are masks bad to wear for extended periods of time? No and here are some peer reviewed studies to back it up:
http://scielo.isciii.es/pdf/neuro/v19n2/3.pdf (measures the blood oxygen levels of surgeons during major surgeries)
The last paper shows that stress is a big factor in peoples breathing issues, however and I can't stress this enough, their blood oxygen levels remained the same with or without a mask. This shows that the effect is psychosomatic.
N95 masks aren't recommended for long term use:
Carbon dioxide rebreathing in respiratory protective devices: influence of speech and work rate in full-face masks - PubMed
Carbon dioxide (CO2) rebreathing in respiratory protective devices (RPDs) has been highlighted as a key concern regarding respirator use. However, the problem is relatively under researched. This paper presents novel findings on the impact of phonic respiration (breathing during speech) and CO2...
That doesn't mean all masks are unhealthy for long term use. Please show me the peer reviewed studies that you are referencing.
Does a mask violate your constitutional rights? No. Here is an interview with a constitutional law layer:
A face mask requirement does not violate your constitutional rights
Multiple viral videos have customers claiming their constitutional rights are being violated by mask policy.
This is part of the problem. Everyone thinks they are a scientist. Everyone thinks they know how to design a study to prove a theory. You don't design a study with an answer in mind. That is what we call bias and NOT how science works. We ask open ended questions and then design experiments to answer those questions.
If everyone would stop with the political BS and look at the situation as a public health crisis, we would be far better off. I understand most people won't read all of this or even click any of the links, but stop trying to be a scientist and let us handle science. I don't ask my doctor to fix my car or my mechanic to prescribe me medication. You are right, people need to think rationally, but that isn't happening right now. Everyone wants to believe this is some big conspiracy theory, but it's not.
If you really think COVID is nothing, here is a human challenge trial:
1Day Home - 1Day Sooner
We envision a world where the risks taken by research participants are honored through maximally efficient and equitable use of […]
This challenge will deliberately infect you with SARS-CoV-2. This will help us with our scientific knowledge and allows us to bring vaccines and medicines to the public faster. You will have to sign a waiver, because death is a risk. I am not advocating for you to do this though, just wanted to bring it to your attention.
Yes, all kinds of people have come out of the woods to try and get their 15 minutes of fame...That is part if the problem.
Do you know the biology? SARS-CoV-2 attacks the ACE2 receptors in your body. ACE2 is expressed in the heart, so yes, people with cardiovascular disease can die from COVID. That is why they are high risk... FYI, ACE2 is expressed in all over your body, even your testicles.
As far as their being a financial incentive, that is false. The quote below is from a MD:
This is a two-pronged myth: 1) doctors are putting COVID-19 on the death certificate no matter what the cause of death was, and 2) hospitals are getting paid more if they say a patient has COVID-19. The source of this was a doctor and US state senator Dr. Scott Jensen, who said,
Interesting. The problem is that Medicare, the US federal insurance program for people 65 and older, pays hospitals to care for patients, and the amount paid for respiratory ailments with comorbidities in 2017 was . . . $13,000. And Medicare pays more for more complicated cases, ie need for a ventilator.
Oh, and it gets worse. In a later interview, Jensen "clarified" his statement:
The problem he had was that the CDC guidance on classifying deaths constituted, as he put it, "less precise standards". Well let's just look at the CDC guidance, shall we?
It says quite clearly that COVID-19 should be listed as "probable" or "presumed" if the patient was presumed to have it within a a reasonable degree of certainty. It does not say "Just put COVID on there no matter what, whatever". Anyone who has filled out a death certificate (as I have) without a solid cause of death knows how difficult it can be to put a diagnosis on there without being sure. We do the best we can with the information at hand, and that sometimes means being wrong. But your argument that doctors can just put COVID-19 as the cause of death even if the patient died in a car accident is 1) unfounded, and 2) assumes the doctors caring for these patients around the world would act unethically. In other words, it just doesn't hold water.
Yes, I've heard about the Danish study. But what you read on social media isn't what the study said.
Here's one commentary: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4586
Here are another couple of articles about it:
A New Study Questions Whether Masks Protect Wearers. You Need to Wear Them Anyway. (Published 2020)
Masks prevent people from transmitting the coronavirus to others, scientists now agree. But a new trial failed to document protection from the virus among the wearers.
It's one of the most difficult parts of science to look at the data and the studies, and read them without resorting to personal opinion and other people's spin.
My doctor, and my relatives and friends that work in medicine, all tell people to wear masks, to social distance, and follow all the other advice coming out of the medical community.
I suppose it's possible, but i think it pretty unlikely that they're all part of the conspiracy, or they're just too ignorant, and have been taken in by the conspiracy.
If humans were naturally rational beings, in a totalitarian police state like China, the government could have easily suppressed spread of the virus when it was initially discovered. They couldn’t. Those with preconceived opinions will never be influenced by any amount of scientific data.
Agreed. Abraham Lincoln's sage advice covered this not-uncommon form of irrationality perfectly:
"You cannot win an argument with an ignorant person."
"Ignorant" is always a provocative word, but not so, in its original Greek meaning, simply "not knowing" (which Will Rogers intended when he humorously observed that "We are all ignorant . . . just in different areas.") I like his calm positioning of the word, in an enlightening, socially-leveling manner.
Willful ignorance is a whole 'nuther matter, of course.
Arnaldo
Yet we have experts with no agenda who have decades of experience who accurately explain why masks do NOT work. They have actual knowledge of the topic versus people like you with NO experience who are sheep like. Yeah masks work which is why every place that mandated them had numbers rise after they did. Stick to pool
surlytempo
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No point arguing with people living in denial or think that they know better based on their QAnon led research.
Please enlighten me with the experts. Show me. This goes against the advice from all the worlds top infectious disease experts. As well as scientific data...
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I'm not sure where to begin to respond to your "argument" that defies all logic. There is ample evidence that wearing masks and keeping a social distance is the best preventive for avoiding Covid. So many studies have already proven this to be true and in the places where masks have not been worn (small to very large gatherings) have been where the virus has spread the most rapidly. Only a few uninformed medical people (like Scott Atlas) have stated otherwise. You might want to take a look at where the virus is raging the worst now. It is very much aligned with the states that supported the outgoing President who was also in denial about Covid, and remains so to this day.
There is some very thorough research available online (done by infectious disease experts) that details what type of behavior makes you most vulnerable to the virus, including length of time being in the vicinity of people who are infected, and in closed areas or outside, with masks and without. This includes close contact with potentially infected people (conversations etc.) and for how long. Rather than respond blindly to me I would suggest you take a moment to educate yourself. After all, your life and the life of your loved ones depends on it. If that matters to you.
Protecting his health isn’t his business?
Maskless dude’s too if he was a responsible adult.
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