Corey Deuel still good? Fargorate

Fore Rail said:
What have you ever done in any kind of sporting event?

How bout giving your name, Fargo rating & where you compete so everyone here can critique your play & ability.
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So, if you critique a heavyweight boxer you need to show proof you have beaten one..?Cory is an accomplished pro player, hence hes being discussed while the original poster most likely ain't and wouldn't be.Makes sense..?
 
trob said:
He in no way said he’s better than Corey .. hes asking a legit question. No Corey duel isn’t playing is best anymore.. No he’s not beating the best players in the world at this point. When have you seen him any where near a matchroom final day. It’s a legit question that how accurate is your Fargo if your game is falling off either from age or just lack of competitive play. That doesn’t mean I think you , me or any of the rest of us knuckleheads on here can beat him lol we are comparing his Fargo to the best in the world. Not to amateurs on a pool forum. By your silly post a commentator shouldn’t question anything a player does because he doesn’t have a high Fargo and thats just dumb
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Now, thats what I call a well reflected comment.
 
BasementDweller said:
Corey's career is a very interesting one. I don't think he was ever among the elite in terms of cueing prowess. What gave him his edge was his creativity and tactical play. In today's game -- the best strikers seem to win everything.
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Yes very interesting, and well managed working the middle.
He's the real deal/a real pool player/full time but mother times Fargos increasing.
 
hello said:
So, if you critique a heavyweight boxer you need to show proof you have beaten one..?Cory is an accomplished pro player, hence hes being discussed while the original poster most likely ain't and wouldn't be.Makes sense..?
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Another genius

Pay close attention because I am only going to explain this once.

I have no problem discussing the possible downswing in the career / game of Corey Deuel or anyone else for that matter.

So in other words it's not what poolscholar said, it's how he said it.
 
poolscholar said:
Just watched him get smoked at the us open. He tried a jump shot and didn't even hit airborne. His fargorate is 773... What if he's actually a 730 or 40 now...then I wondered

How long will it take fargorate to accurately reflect how he's playing now, given that's he's older and less active? What if he stops playing? is he forever at 773? Seems odd

A golf handicap uses the most recent 20 rounds but I think fargorate goes back years. I'd be curious to see the biggest drop in rating from a pro with a long history

It's like reverse sandbagging, forever stuck in his glory days, sorry Corey 😅
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Nick Varner is a 774..how much does he play these days?
 
BasementDweller said:
Corey's career is a very interesting one. I don't think he was ever among the elite in terms of cueing prowess. What gave him his edge was his creativity and tactical play. In today's game -- the best strikers seem to win everything.
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maybe curiosity killed the cat? he tried to get on the snooker tour for a while, played a lot of one pocket for a while, tried five hundred ways to break the balls, etc. neither are necessary bad for your game, but meanwhile guys like svb and darren popped onto the scene and they had a totally different focus and practice regime than corey who grew up matching up in cash games for practice.

just throwing some theories out there, maybe exaggerated. i personally always liked corey because of his curiosity and creativity.
 
Handicaps and age are cruel. I'm 61 now, and haven't even played competitively for 25 years, dating back to before fargo rate was a thing. I used to be a 7 in APA with a 74% win percentage in over 250 matches played at that handicap alone, and a 9 in BCA. Nowadays, I play at about a 5 clip, and yet if I chose to play leagues again (I don't), I'm locked in to those earlier handicaps from playing in the national singles and team tournaments multiple times. I would think Fargo rate, more of a professional measuring tool, would be more forgiving and accurate at some point.
 
OverTheNut said:
If you're a 740 or a 770 it doesn't make that much difference.
You're a damn good player. Full stop.
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I love Corey's game especially 1 pocket. No disrespect here. He would agree he's playing bad 9 ball right now vs other pros. Getting old and worse is normal. Look at tiger woods
 
Nullus said:
Handicaps and age are cruel. I'm 61 now, and haven't even played competitively for 25 years, dating back to before fargo rate was a thing. I used to be a 7 in APA with a 74% win percentage in over 250 matches played at that handicap alone, and a 9 in BCA. Nowadays, I play at about a 5 clip, and yet if I chose to play leagues again (I don't), I'm locked in to those earlier handicaps from playing in the national singles and team tournaments multiple times. I would think Fargo rate, more of a professional measuring tool, would be more forgiving and accurate at some point.
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Yea it's not rocket science to have the system adjust for age or more recent results but that's the age we're in.
 
There are a bunch of solutions here. One potential is to have a factor in the rating system which controls the instability of the rating which is tied to age. You could have it higher for those under 18 that may rapidly be improving and also higher for those over 50 or whatever makes sense. This factor could also increase for established players that haven't played for years as well.

Also for over 50 or 60. Decay the rating slightly for every year. One this happens naturally. Two do you really want a bunch of old inaccurate ratings in the top 100 for a pro who plays once a year. A combo of rating automatically dropping a bit plus an increase in instability will ensure old pros will adjust quickly.
 
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