Corey Deuel's famous draw shot, and other options

[caff3in3]

FYI, I just posted a new video on YouTube:

NV H.6 - Corey Deuel's famous draw shot analyzed by Dr. Dave

Check it out. I attempt Corey's famous shot on my new table and show several easier alternatives. Which shot do you think would be the best (most accurate and consistent) choice for most good players?

Enjoy,
Dave

For the record I love power spin shots and would likely try the duel shot and fail miserably

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[dr_dave]

No offense but your shot is not Corey's shot, not even close.

I agree. Although, it sounds like there might be some consensus that Corey might have been trying to do what I demonstrated and just got way more backspin and draw delay than he expected, due to the incredibly-slick TV-table conditions.

But that's not the point of the video. The main point is that Corey had many other options, and I wanted to see what people thought about the options.

Regards,
Dave

 

[dr_dave]

Thanks for taking the time to make the vid, Dave. I liked it!

I don't know what shot I would shoot there...too many factors that really need to be taken into account in the moment, like how dry/slick the table is, how well english is taking off the rail on the particular table I'm playing on, etc. I like the high inside english option the most...if the spin is taking well off the cushions. A lot of times under those conditions (lights, hot table, new cloth), it does not. if that were the case for Corey, he might have considered any option that relies on the english taking off the cushions too risky.

If I didn't feel threatened by my opponent, I might just shoot that shot if the conditions favored it. Nowadays though, I would most certainly look for the easiest option.

I actually did shoot a very similar shot in a tournament when I was younger. I could be such a jerk back then. I looked at the guy and said, "You're taking notes, right?" Hit the shot perfectly and ran out, lol. I knew the guy I was playing but it was still a jerk move.

Very insightful post.

Thanks,
Dave

 

[dr_dave]

For the record I love power spin shots and would likely try the duel shot and fail miserably

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I consider draw my best shot, and I expected to hit the shot as well as Corey; but, like you, my vision was bigger than my execution.

Regards,
Dave

 

[Jimbojim]

I think landing on the short side on this shot is the way to go.

 

[Eric.]

I agree. Although, it sounds like there might be some consensus that Corey might have been trying to do what I demonstrated and just got way more backspin and draw delay than he expected, due to the incredibly-slick TV-table conditions.

Regards,
Dave

Just an FYI...that particular TV table isn't as slick as you would think it would be. By the latter part of the week, that table has had a bit of play AND constant wipe downs/brushings with a microfiber cloth. I think the best way to describe it is "somewhat slick" (like a month old table, at a local poolhall) and bouncy rails (due to the hot incandescent bulbs?).


Eric

 

[dr_dave]

I agree. Although, it sounds like there might be some consensus that Corey might have been trying to do what I demonstrated and just got way more backspin and draw delay than he expected, due to the incredibly-slick TV-table conditions.

But that's not the point of the video. The main point is that Corey had many other options, and I wanted to see what people thought about the options.

Just an FYI...that particular TV table isn't as slick as you would think it would be. By the latter part of the week, that table has had a bit of play AND constant wipe downs/brushings with a microfiber cloth. I think the best way to describe it is "somewhat slick" (like a month old table, at a local poolhall) and bouncy rails (due to the hot incandescent bulbs?).

I don't know for a fact that the TV table was playing slicker than "normal." That was just my impression based on what I see in the video, and based on Corey's explanation that the shot was a "fluke" since he didn't expect that amount of draw and that amount of delay in the draw.

Regardless, this doesn't take away from how awesome the shot looks or how impressive it is that Corey was able to execute it so well on his first (and only) attempt.

Regards,
Dave

 

[caff3in3]

Just an FYI...that particular TV table isn't as slick as you would think it would be. By the latter part of the week, that table has had a bit of play AND constant wipe downs/brushings with a microfiber cloth. I think the best way to describe it is "somewhat slick" (like a month old table, at a local poolhall) and bouncy rails (due to the hot incandescent bulbs?).


Eric

Which team were you on to be blessed with an opportunity to play on that particular TV table? Or are you saying you have a better eye for how a table plays than Dr Dave does?

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[Eric.]

Which team were you on to be blessed with an opportunity to play on that particular TV table? Or are you saying you have a better eye for how a table plays than Dr Dave does?

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I see your condescending remark and won't raise you one.

Long story, short; I've gone to the US Open, as a fan, for many years. I've gotten to know the ppl that run it and film it, as well as some of the players that play. Over the years, I've had a couple of random chances to hit 2-3 balls on it, just out of curiosity, as well as observe how the table is cleaned before every match.

A better judge of the table might be some of the pro players that used to post here. Unfortunately, d-bags like, *ahem* , have run them off, so all you have now are guys like me to chime in.


Eric

 

[nick serdula]

That shot

If the cloth is wet that is the only way to make the ball and get there. Follow grads.
Speed shot. Power play. It is a shot for a heavy handed Cue also. Most of you play too light to enjoy that position play.
Nick

 

[Ken_4fun]

I always try to go with the natural angle and not put much english on the cueball.

I would have put a "touch" of top-right and gone 3 rails to get back.

Ken

 

[nick serdula]

If the cloth is wet

You loose. Beat one of John Schmidt's running mates for first place in a nice size tournament with that shot. He couldn't understand why when he shot the shots you describe he missed. The cloth got him.
Think it was for 1st place $450?
Years ago.
Nick

 

[caff3in3]

Unfortunately, d-bags like, *ahem* , have run them off

Eric

Exactly the reason for my post and what I was hoping to prevent with Dave.

The amount of bs he has put up with in this thread and many others is crazy considering what he does for this community.


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[Eric.]

Exactly the reason for my post and what I was hoping to prevent with Dave.

The amount of bs he has put up with in this thread and many others is crazy considering what he does for this community.


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So...thats your justification for your condescending d-bag post to me?


Eric

 

[caff3in3]

So...thats your justification for your condescending d-bag post to me?


Eric

I started typing out that I don't need to justify myself to you (which I still don't mind you) and then I started going through your post history and you aren't the ass I thought you were so I will elaborate on my thoughts.

This thread has had its share of people knocking Dr Dave's analysis without anything to backup their argument. Dave has done nothing but respond the same way he always does - either by saying maybe you are right or providing evidence that they are incorrect. He doesn't tell someone they are wrong without backing it up with facts (not assumptions).

The negative posters seem to be trolling to just get one up on dave and say he is wrong about something. Your post came across (to me anyways) as the same type of post which is why I lashed out.

Taking a look through your other posts i can see this is not the type of person you are and I misinterpreted your intentions. So I do apologize, my post was intended to deter trolls, not attack someone who benefits this community.

Thanks,

Chris

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