Corey's done it again, this time with 8b.

CreeDo

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Interesting pattern Corey has come up with for 8b.
It not only ensures an even spread for his chosen group,
it leaves an ugly cluster for the opponent's group.

He breaks from the corner, hitting the 2nd row ball squarely,
maybe 15-17 mph.

Here's the pattern he used each time. Because he can switch
stripes with other stripes, or solids with other solids,
or just swap the entire group...
he apparently doesn't technically violate any rule about pattern racking.



This is what he was left after the break on his own racks.
You can see what's happening near the right side of the rack area.
Not hard to guess which group he chose in each example.
I believe he got out every time too though he still had some
hairy situations to deal with.





 

BRussell

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Huh, thanks for the analysis. In your diagram, is it stripes or solids that spreads?
 

td873

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Brilliant!

But, a quick switch to opponent racks and that goes away.

-td
 

CreeDo

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In the diagram it's the stripes that spread and the solids that cluster.

Switching to opponent racks brings its own set of problems.
The best way to fix this is a neutral racker who is truly random with ball placement.
Though I'm not sure I want to see it 'fixed', it's interesting to see something new.
 

dmb4231

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Idk about 15-17 mph, I tried maybe 15 breaks this way with less speed and only once did they have a 3 ball cluster of solids. I do not see how hitting them any harder than that would somehow get the solids to cluster back up
 

CreeDo

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Could be wroung about the speed, in fact I'm sure it must be lower.
I'm used to 9ft rather than barbox. Maybe it's more like... 12.

Cue ball went to the side rail and back towards center I believe.

Corey did win, so he's waiting on loser bracket matches.

Two guys I'm not familiar with are gonna decide who faces Bill Ussery Jr.
Biado is playing Skyler Woodward who is playing well.
Winner of that must face Appleton.

So it'll be some lesser known player vs. either Appleton, Biado, or Woodward.
The winner of that faces Tourangeau, the unfortunate victim of Corey's new rack.
Maybe he'll get another shot at it.
 

ideologist

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Interesting pattern Corey has come up with for 8b.
It not only ensures an even spread for his chosen group,
it leaves an ugly cluster for the opponent's group.

He breaks from the corner, hitting the 2nd row ball squarely,
maybe 15-17 mph.

Here's the pattern he used each time. Because he can switch
stripes with other stripes, or solids with other solids,
or just swap the entire group...
he apparently doesn't technically violate any rule about pattern racking.



This is what he was left after the break on his own racks.
You can see what's happening near the right side of the rack area.
Not hard to guess which group he chose in each example.
I believe he got out every time too though he still had some
hairy situations to deal with.


Don't the BCA and WPA rulesets mention randomized placement specifically??
 

TWOFORPOOL

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Pattern Racking

This is clearly pattern racking (a two pattern rack). This is cheating as far as I am concerned and shouldn't be allowed.

I know it still takes skill to do this yada yada yada. Fact is Corey wouldn't do this if he didn't think it was a big advantage.

Always trying to get an edge instead of playing fair is killing pool.
 
This is clearly pattern racking (a two pattern rack). This is cheating as far as I am concerned and shouldn't be allowed.

I know it still takes skill to do this yada yada yada. Fact is Corey wouldn't do this if he didn't think it was a big advantage.

Always trying to get an edge instead of playing fair is killing pool.

I agree completely that this is cheating. This is an absolute, as far as I am concerned. Regardless of how the specific balls are racked within the pattern doesn't discount that fact.

With that being said, Corey continues to impress me with his clever ingenuity. I'm still amazed at safe crackers and computer hackers, but I acknowledge what they do is illegal.
 

TWOFORPOOL

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Corey Done it again

I will say this about Corey - extremely intelligent and talented pool player. He has created/modified the soft break, pattern racking and I'm sure other things in pool. I actually like his game a lot. He is probably the most intelligent pool player in the world.
 
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CreeDo

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Well, I think you guys may be right... looking at the rules, it's pretty clear:

"The other balls are placed in the triangle without purposeful or intentional pattern."

So it's interesting, but not something I'd use in any event using world standardized rules.
I wonder if nobody has called him on it yet because they failed to notice, or they are unaware of the rule.
For fun vs. friends I will try it out.
 

Rasputin

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I agree completely that this is cheating. This is an absolute, as far as I am concerned. Regardless of how the specific balls are racked within the pattern doesn't discount that fact.

With that being said, Corey continues to impress me with his clever ingenuity. I'm still amazed at safe crackers and computer hackers, but I acknowledge what they do is illegal.

This. Pattern racking is cheating, and in fact disallowed by the WPA rules.

However, this is cheating done in the most beautiful way, and I cannot but appreciate Deuel's genius in this regard.
 

dabarbr

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More power to Corey but there is a problem with racking this way. If you break dry then you lose.
 

westcoast

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In the diagram it's the stripes that spread and the solids that cluster.

Switching to opponent racks brings its own set of problems.
The best way to fix this is a neutral racker who is truly random with ball placement.
Though I'm not sure I want to see it 'fixed', it's interesting to see something new.

With a magic rack, opponent racking should pose no real problems. Why are they allowing rack your own in this tournament? I am a fan of Deuel's too, but this shouldn't be allowed. Why haven't his opponent's said anything?
 

easy-e

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With a magic rack, opponent racking should pose no real problems. Why are they allowing rack your own in this tournament? I am a fan of Deuel's too, but this shouldn't be allowed. Why haven't his opponent's said anything?

Because when he breaks dry they win.
 
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