Coring, tolerances?

FWIW, in the guitar building world, we tend to all be very open and sharing. We help each other out, refer customers to each other, share techniques and design ideas, etc. There are a couple of guys that feel like they have a secret here and there, but it's pretty rare. In fact, we take pride in coming up with new ideas and techniques, and we're normally eager to share with the rest of the community, pros and amateurs alike. We get by on design, craftsmanship and service.

I'm not sure why you guys worry about this so much.
 
Canadian cue said:
I have started using a tapered core. It has eliminated a lot of issues and dont have to worry about dry spots using epoxy.
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This would be the best bonding method. But pretty hard to do on a lighter weight lathe. I once saw a guy doing it on a big Enco.
 
john coloccia said:
FWIW, in the guitar building world, we tend to all be very open and sharing. We help each other out, refer customers to each other, share techniques and design ideas, etc. There are a couple of guys that feel like they have a secret here and there, but it's pretty rare. In fact, we take pride in coming up with new ideas and techniques, and we're normally eager to share with the rest of the community, pros and amateurs alike. We get by on design, craftsmanship and service.

I'm not sure why you guys worry about this so much.
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For the most part, cue makers are indeed open, sharing, rather generous. In fact, most of us are either close friends or cordial because we share common close friends. We co-op buy supplies, help one another design & build machinery and jigs, share materials, etc. It is not uncommon for us to refer customers. We all share the same market. Our buyers are often as good of friends with us as we are with one another. I'll use Dave B. as example on here. He & I are friends. We visit, speak on the phone, break bread from time to time, and openly share knowledge & materials with one another. His buyers ask him to make a cue with a specific wood he may not have, and if I have it I will send it to him, and visa versa. His buyers & my buyers are often the same group. We don't compete. We help one another. We may bicker or disagree about something in a forum, but it's not reflective of our relationship nor does it mean we wish ill of one another. I have that relationship with many cue makers from the very top to the newest beginners.

What you see on here is something different altogether. What you see here is a few cue makers pulling weeds in a hay field, for no other reason than entertainment.
 
Canadian cue said:
I use a boring bar
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Must be a real long bar.
And you use the same taper bar to turn the coring dowel?
Thanks.

This is the kinda stuff that actually makes this place go round.
Some might be close-minded and set and think his way is already fine.
But, lo and behold, there is be a better way like this.

It will make the sleeve's affect on the hit very minimal.
It will have a consistent wall thickness from top to bottom.

I've shopped around for a tapered reamer.
Their prices is ridiculous . And once resharpened, they could change specs.
So, I never got one.
From what I've gathered, there is a small group of makers who had tapered reamers made.
 
qbilder said:
For the most part, cue makers are indeed open, sharing, rather generous. In fact, most of us are either close friends or cordial because we share common close friends. We co-op buy supplies, help one another design & build machinery and jigs, share materials, etc. It is not uncommon for us to refer customers. We all share the same market. Our buyers are often as good of friends with us as we are with one another. I'll use Dave B. as example on here. He & I are friends. We visit, speak on the phone, break bread from time to time, and openly share knowledge & materials with one another. His buyers ask him to make a cue with a specific wood he may not have, and if I have it I will send it to him, and visa versa. His buyers & my buyers are often the same group. We don't compete. We help one another. We may bicker or disagree about something in a forum, but it's not reflective of our relationship nor does it mean we wish ill of one another. I have that relationship with many cue makers from the very top to the newest beginners.

What you see on here is something different altogether. What you see here is a few cue makers pulling weeds in a hay field, for no other reason than entertainment.
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Dave B....who in the heck is that? And quit sending me all of your crappy wood, will ya? Just once I'd like to get a nice piece from you! :rolleyes:

Well this has been fun....we'll all have to get together and do it again sometime.
What's the next topic up for discussion........?
Threading collars......
Shaft wood selection......
The proper under wrap wood that makes a cue sing like it just got out of a 20 yr sentence......
Or how about the proper method of installing a ferrule?
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No white colored epoxy necessary!

Happy New Year!
 
john coloccia said:
FWIW, in the guitar building world, we tend to all be very open and sharing. We help each other out, refer customers to each other, share techniques and design ideas, etc. There are a couple of guys that feel like they have a secret here and there, but it's pretty rare. In fact, we take pride in coming up with new ideas and techniques, and we're normally eager to share with the rest of the community, pros and amateurs alike. We get by on design, craftsmanship and service.

I'm not sure why you guys worry about this so much.
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It's not much different here IMO......yea there may be a few dickheads that hang out but we accept them just like we would a redheaded step child.
I believe most here know me or at least know of me. Some like me....most don't. But the feelings are mutual so it all works out in the wash.

John, I think you may be a little newer to the group and that's OK. You seem like one of the intelligent ones. To compare the billiards industry to any other is an apple to oranges comparison I believe. Some won't admit it but the billiards industry can be a lot more cut throat for what ever reason. I think the biggest problem is anyone with a 1/4 cup full of knowledge and a little bit of cash can instantly become an over night master cue builder. Hey... if you can pull it off.. go for it. But most who have any tenure in the craft know and understand what it takes to produce a quality end product.....and yea it may not be rocket science work but........
The reason most don't care for my attitude is simply this. I build cues for living. It's not a flippen hobby that I come home too after making my bread and butter and tinker around with. When I made the decision to do this full time I knew I better have the knowledge and conviction in my heart to say that everything I'm doing is 100% the correct way to be doing things. If it's not...I'm going to fail....and that's not an option for me.
So when I tell somebody that the way I'm doing things is 100% the right way to do things a few get pissed off because they're doing it a different way.
I don't care how anyone does anything. I hope they feel the same way about the way they're doing it that I do.

Even if they are doing it the wrong way!
 
BarenbruggeCues said:
When I made the decision to do this full time I knew I better have the knowledge and conviction in my heart to say that everything I'm doing is 100% the correct way to be doing things. If it's not...I'm going to fail....and that's not an option for me.
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That's the best argument I have heard.
 
BarenbruggeCues said:
It's not much different here IMO......yea there may be a few dickheads that hang out but we accept them just like we would a redheaded step child.
I believe most here know me or at least know of me. Some like me....most don't. But the feelings are mutual so it all works out in the wash.

John, I think you may be a little newer to the group and that's OK. You seem like one of the intelligent ones. To compare the billiards industry to any other is an apple to oranges comparison I believe. Some won't admit it but the billiards industry can be a lot more cut throat for what ever reason. I think the biggest problem is anyone with a 1/4 cup full of knowledge and a little bit of cash can instantly become an over night master cue builder. Hey... if you can pull it off.. go for it. But most who have any tenure in the craft know and understand what it takes to produce a quality end product.....and yea it may not be rocket science work but........
The reason most don't care for my attitude is simply this. I build cues for living. It's not a flippen hobby that I come home too after making my bread and butter and tinker around with. When I made the decision to do this full time I knew I better have the knowledge and conviction in my heart to say that everything I'm doing is 100% the correct way to be doing things. If it's not...I'm going to fail....and that's not an option for me.
So when I tell somebody that the way I'm doing things is 100% the right way to do things a few get pissed off because they're doing it a different way.
I don't care how anyone does anything. I hope they feel the same way about the way they're doing it that I do.

Even if they are doing it the wrong way!
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Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Stuff like this isn't for the faint of heart. Truthfully, I'm heading back to engineering/management now that I have 3 year old twin girls to provide for and take care of. I'll still do what I do, but more as a little hobby that maybe pays for a vacation, or something like that. Heck, all I've really been doing all this time is engineering anyway...may as well get payed reasonably for it.

All I mean is you guys don't have to worry hobbyists like me suddenly opening up shop and gobbling up any significant business. All of this stuff looks easy. What I do in my field looks easy, at least when I'm doing it. The devil is in the details. Any dope can make something that's functional, but it takes some real technique and attention to detail to make something special. There's a big difference between knowing how to do something and actually doing it!
 
JoeyInCali said:
Must be a real long bar.
And you use the same taper bar to turn the coring dowel?
Thanks.

This is the kinda stuff that actually makes this place go round.
Some might be close-minded and set and think his way is already fine.
But, lo and behold, there is be a better way like this.

It will make the sleeve's affect on the hit very minimal.
It will have a consistent wall thickness from top to bottom.

I've shopped around for a tapered reamer.
Their prices is ridiculous . And once resharpened, they could change specs.
So, I never got one.
From what I've gathered, there is a small group of makers who had tapered reamers made.
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I use a shop made tapered boring bar. I am still looking for a bar to do the full 12 inches of taper but for now I have come to a comprimise and I taper 9 in of the 12. So it is kind of a steped core . I also use the same taper attachment for the core so they are both ecxactly the same. You have to be carefull on assembley though, it is real.easy to split the forearm.
 
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