Could You Play For 10 K?

[JB Cases]

lol, ah the irony.

See you next month, John.

Lou Figueroa
bring your friend

Shall we remind everyone how ALL this started? Please keep in mind that it was YOU who came at me Lou. And it's YOU who have persisted in the attacks.

All this started because you decided to attack me with malicious crap all because I reported on my experience with Hal Houle. You took a beautiful eperience and decided that you were going to insult me and essentially say I am not enough of a player to understand how worthless Hal's methods are. That was your FIRST ever comment to me.

Then we spent a while barking at each other, you with zero intention to actually play. Then fortunately we ended up across from each other at a forum tournament. After I beat you that time you actually shut up. No more attacks on me, no more barking to play me. You met me later at DCC and we had a drink, shook hands and we were good.

When CTE came to AZB I was very polite to you even when you were insulting everyone who wanted to discuss it unmolested. I left you alone for a long time and when I finally did say something it was a gentle reminder that I beat you in our first matchup shortly after I learned Hal's methods.

You can't help yourself to be arrogant and debasing. All respect I had for you went out the window when you started calling Stan Shuffett a con-artist and a fraud.

You're a bully. That's all there is to it. You're a pain in the ass in the pool room and no one likes to play you because of it.

So let's be clear, it's all you. The difference between us is that I actually enjoy this beautiful game no matter what equipment I get to play on. I enjoy learning and expanding my skills and you enjoy being a pompous know-it-all who thinks that it's your way or nothing.

If I have been a jerk to you then it's ALL because you earned it.

Do you not like it when I make fun of you? Don't like it when I pick at your personality? When I say something about your public relations job does it bother you? Ever stopped to think where that comes from?

Come on Lou, you are supposed to be a one pocket player and you can't see the moves? You made the opening break with your first attack way back on RSB. Your choice to be attacking and mocking instead of leaving me alone is what put us here.

I am frankly amazed that you act offended. People here don't even have a clue how offensive you have been on rec.sport.billiard - look I know you are just the average uptight person who thinks it's all just fun to denigrate people on the net - but what you don't understand is that it's not just me who takes offense to your comments - it's A LOT of people. Some of whom actually HATE you.

I don't hate you. I just think you are a bully who is used to giving orders and you forgot that you're not in the military any more. I think you think that your skill in pool somehow entitles you to be an expert on all ways to play pool. But the fact is that your skill is that of a decent banger and no more. You are not a pro and not close to being a pro. You are not a high level amateur, you are a mid level amateur. You don't really know more about playing pool than any of the other hundred mid level amateurs who are vocal on AZB.

You certainly don't have the pool credibility to knock other players who report on their own experiences and progress with methods that you don't use.

So that's how we got here Lou. I extended my hand to you after whipping you the first time. I will whip you again most likely and when I do I will ask you to apologize to Stan Shuffett and extend my hand to you again. If you choose to rebuff that then I will remind you at every turn that I whipped you twice.

So don't let me win the pool match because it won't end well for you. In the civilian world you don't outrank me or anyone else.

 

[JB Cases]

Being a complete, first class assh**e, just comes naturally to you, doesn't it ?

No, I take my lessons in that department from people older than me who have it down pat. Like everything in life it's a learned behavior that comes from watching experts. Any ideas on who I could be referring to?

 

[Miller]

Funny that I never met a single person who likes you. At least they wouldn't come right out and admit it. I am sure you do have a lot of friends. Even the worst jerks have friends. But there are a few folks here who can testify that I was at the point that I said to them I want to hear ONE nice story about Lou, just one. I really started to feel pity for you and I still do.

Saying you are not the most liked person in the St. Louis pool scene is the understatement of the decade.

i like to avoid this crap like the plague, but this nonsense is a little bit too much. in spite of my better judgement, i gotta tell you, that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

dustin miller

 

[JB Cases]

99 - while I do agree with most of your theory in general as to bankroll management I have to refer back to my earlier posts in this subject. Specifically in regards to getting in action for the fun and thrill of it as opposed to making it a business. Without citing specific examples think about it like this : while there certainly are gamblers that use " systems " and have done well to varying degrees over the years ut has been my experience by knowing many many gamblers and through observation that id have to say the vast majority of folks that approach gambling with this mindset ultimately end up in a not so good situation; at least financially speaking over the course of time. And it is all but inevitable at some point, for any one of a # of reasons that even with the best of intentions and the best planning end up going bust ( I know I have myself been guilty of this in the past ). Don't get me wrong the idea of being a professional gambler is awesome it just doesn't usually end up good. Really wish it would, I mean having nice things and a family and security and being able to do something for a living that is just plain fun - well that would be AWESOME. But for me it's always gonna be an entertainment fun thing and in my opinion a lot of people would be much better off ( in many ways ) if they approached it the same way.

A few times in my life I would start with a bankroll and keep detailed records on wins and losses. I could usually keep it going for a while until I got my nose open and blew it all in a bad game.

I have known a very few who have actually had the discipline to put their pool winnings into the bank and paid for their house, put their kids through college etc...

The majority though stayed broke and were occasionally flush. That's really what ultimately turned me off to the life of a pool player. Seeing great players who didn't have any money made me feel like that's where I would end up if I stayed with it and tried to be as good as them. So I went to work and only dabbled in the action side, sometimes making scores, sometimes booking losers, but always with the ability to make more money on something else other than my pool skills.

A really great player who has played for enough money to make a gnat's ass pucker up said to me the other day, "John, you have a great wife and two great kids and a great business, what more could you want out of life?". He will teach me how to win on the pool table but it's clear to me that he thinks I already made the biggest score in life.

 

[JB Cases]

i like to avoid this crap like the plague, but this nonsense is a little bit too much. in spite of my better judgement, i gotta tell you, that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

dustin miller

Well, I could be wrong. Is there someone else in the St. Louis pool scene that is liked less than Lou?

 

[Miller]

i think you should just show up in NJ and play pool….

i'd tell you good luck but i wouldn't mean it. (nothing nasty or insulting intended)

you got the game you wanted.

dustin miller

 

[JB Cases]

i think you should just show up in NJ and play pool….

i'd tell you good luck but i wouldn't mean it. (nothing nasty or insulting intended)

you got the game you wanted.

dustin miller

I didn't get the game I wanted. I didn't want to play at all. I was perfectly fine with the time we shook hands and being peaceful with each other.

But since Lou decided to resume his old ways and since he decided to bark at me through a proxy then here we are.

What you think is also inconsequential. This conflict was born on the forums and it will be talked about on the forums. If you don't like how I speak about Lou then you should ask yourself why am I doing it?

What possible motivation would I have to to single this guy out? And I am still being nice to him. You should see how strongly he is ripped to shreds on other forums.

 

[liakos]

Ya know, lately the only 2 people I come on here to read about is jam and Mr. Barton! John, I don't know you, but I like your style! You seem to be a no bullsh.t kinda a person! I'm gonna start looking into a JB case! You'll be hearing from me in a few weeks. Thanks

 

[BmoreMoney]

Yeah JB it pretty much went down the same way for me. I started playing around 11-12 years old. By the time I was 14 I was able to beat most APA 6's and some of the 7's too. I got my first real job at Mickey D's. It lasted about 3 weeks before I quit. It really wasn't for me. My brother and I got turned onto a place that sold really good fake Id's. So we picked up a couple Johns Hopkins University student ids with appropriate birthdates. We were also able to procure 2 authentic JHU lacrosse game jackets. Our plan was to be able to buy beer and get chicks. Pool is very big in our area and there are LOTS AND LOTS OF BARS. And just about every bar has pool tables in them. We were out one night and wanted to play some pool but with a packed house of Busch league there were no tables avail. They did however have a challenge table going, which also just about every bar had. So if we were gonna play it would have to be on that one. Well when my turn came up guy was like hey kid were playing $5 a game here, I was like sure. Anyway I won a bunch of games in a row, more or less keeping table for remainder of the night. All said and done prob made couple hundred bucks that night. Well needless to say a light bulb went off in our head. I had found my new job. Screw Mickey D's for real. Started doing this all the time and made decent $ ( great money for a kid my age ) - usually never less than $ 100 bucks a night and even couple hundred or more quite a bit. And to my friends and school mates I was the best thing since sliced bread for obvious reasons. Everyone else that worked was making 4.25 hr doing jobs THEY HATED. Even the people that did not want to gamble whatsoever I still made money on. While they did not want to gamble whatsoever, my redneck brethren had no problem at all playing for a beer. When id win I'd just say well I have a beer right now so just gimme the $4 and ill get it when im done with this one - after all I wouldn't want the beer to get hot right? Anyway did this all the way thru school and it was awesome. By the time I turned 18 though I had spent more than enough time in the pool halls to know for sure this was not a long term or lifetime career so off to work I went and rest is history. I always have and always will love action but once more - for the fun of it.

 

[wayne]

John here is someone that loves "Fig." Notice his continual use of the tender loving nickname "Fig" The only problem with this post by Targuy was that it was actually Lou using his wife's computer to defend himself. LOL. No telling how low he will stoop to defend himself."

following written by tar guy:
...attempting to dissect/counter practically every word Fig has ever used while then hurling one insult after another at Fig, also then most recently going after the one guy who most honorably stepped up to mention he may have had a word or two with Fig about said player -- this gentleman whom Fig to his credit did not throw under the bus. Player's two spokespersons have ardently consistently relentlessly defended their hero (see player) while simultaneously attacking Fig without interruption.

For the record, most recently player had insisted Fig provide source of Fig's comment re supposed lock-artist method employed by player. Honorably that plea to Fig to give up source was not heeded. Once the source revealed himself, which really amounted to nothing more than a few words by source touting the player's ability by referring to player as "strong," the attacks on Fig have continued by player and spokespersons unabated, then also continuing to rationalize their stance by espousing their perception that in fact it was Fig who was "ducking,' etc., etc., and attempting to cast aspersions on SM room and its players.

All this over what? A juvenile, at best, knee-jerk reaction to a couple of innocent comments made by two recent visitors to SM. Last I knew, we still live in a free country where one can believe one can state his opinion/perception, as long as he's not shouting "Fire" in a crowded venue or spouting racist remarks, inciting violence, etc., without the fear of being singled out and attacked. The above-mentioned behavior is exactly why pocket billiards remains a non factor in today's world. Parents, families, corporations, the entertainment world have witnessed this petty, crude, ego-driven crassness continuously over the years. This minor SM debacle is a perfect example. Shame on us, one and all." Targuy

 

[JB Cases]

John here is someone that loves "Fig." Notice his continual use of the tender loving nickname "Fig" The only problem with this post by Targuy was that it was actually Lou using his wife's computer to defend himself. LOL. No telling how low he will stoop to defend himself."

following written by tar guy:
...attempting to dissect/counter practically every word Fig has ever used while then hurling one insult after another at Fig, also then most recently going after the one guy who most honorably stepped up to mention he may have had a word or two with Fig about said player -- this gentleman whom Fig to his credit did not throw under the bus. Player's two spokespersons have ardently consistently relentlessly defended their hero (see player) while simultaneously attacking Fig without interruption.

For the record, most recently player had insisted Fig provide source of Fig's comment re supposed lock-artist method employed by player. Honorably that plea to Fig to give up source was not heeded. Once the source revealed himself, which really amounted to nothing more than a few words by source touting the player's ability by referring to player as "strong," the attacks on Fig have continued by player and spokespersons unabated, then also continuing to rationalize their stance by espousing their perception that in fact it was Fig who was "ducking,' etc., etc., and attempting to cast aspersions on SM room and its players.

All this over what? A juvenile, at best, knee-jerk reaction to a couple of innocent comments made by two recent visitors to SM. Last I knew, we still live in a free country where one can believe one can state his opinion/perception, as long as he's not shouting "Fire" in a crowded venue or spouting racist remarks, inciting violence, etc., without the fear of being singled out and attacked. The above-mentioned behavior is exactly why pocket billiards remains a non factor in today's world. Parents, families, corporations, the entertainment world have witnessed this petty, crude, ego-driven crassness continuously over the years. This minor SM debacle is a perfect example. Shame on us, one and all." Targuy

I don't understand much of that but I do seem to remember about the "review" of the room and the players out there that Lou put up which wasn't flattering to them, making it seem as if they were all afraid to play.

Every time I have been to LA I have found action in every room.

 

[seven_7days]

Tell you what Lou. I don't want to think of you with pity. Will someone please stand up and tell us a nice story about interacting with Lou in the St. Louis pool scene? Make one up if you have to.

okay,lemme try...

Lou has never killed anybody on purpose.
Not even once.

 

[lfigueroa]

Lou, if I may offer a suggestion..Do not let John suck you into the 'insult game' !..You cannot win !..It is, by far his best game !..Even if you win, he will not admit it.. It is actually the only game he knows how to play !

He knows that he has NO CHANCE of beating you on the pool table, so he will exaggerate, and tell ANY lie, he thinks will belittle you, in trying to further his WEAK agenda ! ..For example, he even challenged ME, to play a 10K set..That is hilarious..I don't want to cause you/us, any loss of income.. Even though I haven't hit a ball, in 3 yrs., and am older than dirt, I could still give him a few balls, and win easily !..You don't need to post any more money.. He is stupid enough to play a second session, after he loses the first one ! :embarrassed2:

I would wish you luck Lou, but obviously, you don't need it..:thumbup:
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Wise words, Dick. I just wanted to clear up a couple of things about that room I used to play at.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

John here is someone that loves "Fig." Notice his continual use of the tender loving nickname "Fig" The only problem with this post by Targuy was that it was actually Lou using his wife's computer to defend himself. LOL. No telling how low he will stoop to defend himself."

following written by tar guy:
...attempting to dissect/counter practically every word Fig has ever used while then hurling one insult after another at Fig, also then most recently going after the one guy who most honorably stepped up to mention he may have had a word or two with Fig about said player -- this gentleman whom Fig to his credit did not throw under the bus. Player's two spokespersons have ardently consistently relentlessly defended their hero (see player) while simultaneously attacking Fig without interruption.

For the record, most recently player had insisted Fig provide source of Fig's comment re supposed lock-artist method employed by player. Honorably that plea to Fig to give up source was not heeded. Once the source revealed himself, which really amounted to nothing more than a few words by source touting the player's ability by referring to player as "strong," the attacks on Fig have continued by player and spokespersons unabated, then also continuing to rationalize their stance by espousing their perception that in fact it was Fig who was "ducking,' etc., etc., and attempting to cast aspersions on SM room and its players.

All this over what? A juvenile, at best, knee-jerk reaction to a couple of innocent comments made by two recent visitors to SM. Last I knew, we still live in a free country where one can believe one can state his opinion/perception, as long as he's not shouting "Fire" in a crowded venue or spouting racist remarks, inciting violence, etc., without the fear of being singled out and attacked. The above-mentioned behavior is exactly why pocket billiards remains a non factor in today's world. Parents, families, corporations, the entertainment world have witnessed this petty, crude, ego-driven crassness continuously over the years. This minor SM debacle is a perfect example. Shame on us, one and all." Targuy

Wayne, I guess in addition to being a lock artist you are a liar. I have never used an alias and stand by every word I write, signing my name. I challenge you to provide any proof that I have ever used any alias on this or any other forum.

Lou Figueroa

 

[one stroke]

What it really boils down to is bankroll management.

I don't care how good a player is, they're going to be more nervous if they were betting their last 10k vs. having multiple barrels.

The other thing to consider is your opponent. You'd be much more nervous playing Shane (getting a big spot) than playing some guy you normally play even with.

The last 10 k would definitely take big ones ,, a disposable 10 would would be easy ,, anytime I gamble money I can afford the money never enters my mind


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[JB Cases]

okay,lemme try...

Lou has never killed anybody on purpose.
Not even once.

That's kind of generic but I can use it. Lou Figueroa, has never killed anyone on purpose. Not even once, which the word never encompasses.



Trying to compile a list of nice things to say about my opponent.......

 

[seven_7days]

That's kind of generic but I can use it. Lou Figueroa, has never killed anyone on purpose. Not even once, which the word never encompasses.



Trying to compile a list of nice things to say about my opponent.......

your welcome.

I will pm you the inscription details on the special ordered 4x8 butterfly you'll be sending to me in exchange for my generic contribution.

:thumbup2:

 

[watchez]

You can't help yourself to be arrogant and debasing.

You're a bully. That's all there is to it. You're a pain in the ass

First of all- I live in St Louis and have no ssues with Lou. I have never gambled with him and have never even tried. (note to Lou: what are you giving up ) But I have never had one issue with Lou and it is known that I am not the most patient (the nicest way to describe myself) person in many situations.

Do I think tha Lou should play more people - yes. If I played like Lou and had the free time Lou does now that he served our country, I surely would. But if he is happy in not doing so, then so be it.

I don't want to get too heavily involved in the Cue N Cushion discussion. I will say ths - Cary (he is one of the son's that you probably didn't meet JB) is a good friend of mine and it is not like the focus of the family and their business has much to do with Lou as you portray. Cary and me talked about it one time and there were no ill words from Cary. He simply said it was time for Lou to go. He left it at that and you should too. You will deny this but JB it is almost as if you have declared yourself the mouthpiece for their business. The whole world could learn a lot on how the Huddleston's have run a successful business for decades. That should have been your focus in going there.

Second of all. I have no issue with you JB. I find you entertaining at times and at least you can hold an intelligent conversation at times. Beyond that, I haven't read every word between you and Lou and tend to stay out of the aiming threads because I think they are beyond ridiculious. However, your long winded responses, your YouTube videos, your self thought of entrance into the St Louis pool world, is more bordeing on bullying than anything I have seen or heard Lou doing or saying.

BTW, I had a friend tell me just last night he watched you play DN. You may have been laying down, but who knows for what purpose as it doesn't appear it has gotten you any other action from doing so, but I was told that your game needs some improvement to be ready for your match with Lou.

 

[JB Cases]

First of all- I live in St Louis and have no ssues with Lou. I have never gambled with him and have never even tried. (note to Lou: what are you giving up ) But I have never had one issue with Lou and it is known that I am not the most patient (the nicest way to describe myself) person in many situations.

Do I think tha Lou should play more people - yes. If I played like Lou and had the free time Lou does now that he served our country, I surely would. But if he is happy in not doing so, then so be it.

I don't want to get too heavily involved in the Cue N Cushion discussion. I will say ths - Cary (he is one of the son's that you probably didn't meet JB) is a good friend of mine and it is not like the focus of the family and their business has much to do with Lou as you portray. Cary and me talked about it one time and there were no ill words from Cary. He simply said it was time for Lou to go. He left it at that and you should too. You will deny this but JB it is almost as if you have declared yourself the mouthpiece for their business. The whole world could learn a lot on how the Huddleston's have run a successful business for decades. That should have been your focus in going there.

Second of all. I have no issue with you JB. I find you entertaining at times and at least you can hold an intelligent conversation at times. Beyond that, I haven't read every word between you and Lou and tend to stay out of the aiming threads because I think they are beyond ridiculious. However, your long winded responses, your YouTube videos, your self thought of entrance into the St Louis pool world, is more bordeing on bullying than anything I have seen or heard Lou doing or saying.

BTW, I had a friend tell me just last night he watched you play DN. You may have been laying down, but who knows for what purpose as it doesn't appear it has gotten you any other action from doing so, but I was told that your game needs some improvement to be ready for your match with Lou.

I wasn't laying down, I wasn't bearing down and there is a big difference. I don't hustle to try and get more action but I am not stupid enough to try my very best on Lou's table in front of people who know him well one month before the match. I figured I'd play a little loose and see how it went. Dave played real good to get out of some of the traps I put down and all in all we had a good session. I am not saying I could beat him if I tried harder but I think the match would be much closer.

I beat Lou when I didn't know much about one pocket and I will will beat him if we play today and I will beat him if we play in one month.

As for how I handle my business, it's like this, Lou has allowed himself to denigrate me on public forums for more than a decade, too bad if he is getting some back now. I am not gracious with bullies, I am not classy with bullies, I am not Ghandi with bullies.

Lou is a bully. I don't care about his feelings anymore. I held out my hand and he accepted it. Then he threw it away. So, thanks for the advice but the fact is that Lou is reviled by many whether you want that exposed or not. This isn't a case of some upstart asshole attacking the regal pool player for no reason.

It is a case of the pompous ass finally getting some handed back to him and about to be charged for it. Now maybe some of you think of me as a pompous ass and I admit I have a lot of assholishness in me. But I am a genuinely nice and generous person as well who always tries to look for the good in everyone. I tried to find it in Lou and really it's hard to find when one looks at all the shit he has done on these forums.

And to put that into context - on AZB he has been somewhat subdued BECAUSE of the moderation.

On the rec.sport.billiard forum he was incredibly mean. To everyone he decided to attack.

So again, thanks but no thanks for your advice. Up until this match every time Lou wants to try and insult me then I will give it back to him with the fact that he is intensely disliked. He may want to believe it's not true but the fact is that I have yet to come across any story where someone played pool in St. Louis with this guy and had a pleasant experience that they wanted to repeat. Mostly it's been the other direction where people have told me they would rather eat nails than to have to play him.

I know it can't be all that bad. There has to be someone from St. Louis willing to to testify that they played a session with Lou and it was a good time, win or lose.

 

[SJDinPHX]

That's kind of generic but I can use it. Lou Figueroa, has never killed anyone on purpose. Not even once, which the word never encompasses.

Trying to compile a list of nice things to say about my opponent.......

Obviously the childish content of your posts doesn't matter to you, as long as you get to splash your vulgar-sized ad again !...But, one would think you would want to at least come across as an adult !.. Your image has become that of a
whiny, immature, ignoramus !.. Keep up the good work..Very impressive, for a deported Lib !