CSI INVITATIONAL 8-BALL (July 23-25, 2014) 16 Players (Winner $8K/ Runner up $5K)

Agreed. 8 ball is a thought provoking game to watch trying to figure out the pros patterns. 10 ball patterns are pretty straight forward but the pressure is high to not miss any shots.

You're quite right which leads to the main problem with 10 ball in that the pros (smartly) rarely attempt difficult shots in order to try to get out. The better choice is to duck. More often in 8 ball, because of the way it's played at the pro level, the guy has to commit to running out even if the layout is more dodgy.Safeties are generally harder to land with multiple balls to shoot.
 
Question I was thinking about: Since head-to-head is the first tiebreaker and since everyone plays everyone within the group why is there any need for the rack differential as a 2nd tiebreaker?

If 2 players tie then 1st tiebreaker is enough
But what if 3 players tie? How to decide using only 1st tiebreaker
3 players tie is rare (3 players on 2-1 and 4th player on 0-3) ....and so far has not happened in 10 ball tourney and let us hope it does not in this 8 ball
 
Question I was thinking about: Since head-to-head is the first tiebreaker and since everyone plays everyone within the group why is there any need for the rack differential as a 2nd tiebreaker?

Three players can end up at 2-1, with all three having one win and one loss against each other.

A beats B and D, but loses to C

B beats C and D, but loses to A

C beats D and A, but loses to B

So, A beats B, B beats C, C beats A -- still tied in head-to-head tie breaker.
 
Orcollo won lag. Shane stole Orcollo's break so now Shane 1-0

Table Standings, Results until yesterday
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B
11am
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C
1pm
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 1-0
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 1-2

Group D
3pm
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A
5pm
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B
7pm
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang
 
Table Standings, Previous Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B
11am
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C
1pm
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 2-0
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 1-3

Group D
3pm
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A
5pm
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B
7pm
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang
 
Shane just stole another of Orcollo break so now Shane 3-0 and breaking
This group gets very interesting is Shane beats Orcollo and Cheng beats Ralf


Table Standings, Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B
11am
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C
1pm
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 3-0
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 1-3

Group D
3pm
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A
5pm
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B
7pm
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang
 
24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B
11am
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C
1pm
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 4-1
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 2-4

Group D
3pm
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A
5pm
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B
7pm
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang


Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B
11am
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C
1pm
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 5-2
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 2-5

Group D
3pm
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A
5pm
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B
7pm
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang



Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B
11am
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C
1pm
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 6-4
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 3-7

Group D
3pm
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A
5pm
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B
7pm
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang



Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
At 6-5 up, Shane blunders and misses relatively easy blue 2 down the rail. Orcollo comes to table to run out for 6-6 and he is breaking. So now Orcollo has stolen back the 2 breaks that Shane stole and advantage Orcollo
Cheng wins 9-3 over Ralf

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B (11am)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C (1pm)
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 6-6
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 3-9

Group D (3pm)
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A (5pm)
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B (7pm)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang



Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
Something just told me it looked like Shane was going to miss the 2. He was using an extremely long rail bridge when he had plenty of room to put his hand on the table. I've seen him do that a lot successfully but why risk it.
 
Orcollo holds his break for a 7-6 lead and Shane is breaking

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B (11am)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C (1pm)
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 6-7
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 3-9

Group D (3pm)
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A (5pm)
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B (7pm)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang



Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
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why would they make the toasty and efren match the stream match for the 7pm? toasty already won the group and efren hasnt won a match. make deuel the stream
 
7-7 and now race to 2 with Orcollo breaking

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B (11am)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C (1pm)
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 7-7
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 3-9

Group D (3pm)
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A (5pm)
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B (7pm)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang



Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
Orcollo held his break to go on hill 8-7 and now Shane is breaking
Shane let a big lead of 4 racks to evaporate and now Orcollo in the lead .

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B (11am)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C (1pm)
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 7-8
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 3-9

Group D (3pm)
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A (5pm)
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B (7pm)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang



Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
why would they make the toasty and efren match the stream match for the 7pm? toasty already won the group and efren hasnt won a match. make deuel the stream

Ya, Toasty and Efren not fighting for anything ..no extra prizemoney for winner whereas for Deuel -Chang match winner gets extra $500 prizemoney and runners up position in group :)
 
Now hill hill 8-8 and Orcollo breaking
If Orcollo wins, he kills 2 players with 1 stone ...Shane and Cheng will be out and then only Orcollo will fight Ralf for semifinal spot :D

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B (11am)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C (1pm)
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 8-8
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 3-9

Group D (3pm)
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A (5pm)
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B (7pm)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang



Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
OMG Drama

Orcollo breaks and it is dry
Open table for Shane
Shane takes time out

INTERMISSION...we will be back :thumbup:
 
Shane runs out after Orcollo broke dry and left open table. Shane grabs it snatching win from jaws of defeat :)

24 July2014 (Thu) Round Robin Live Scores
All times are Pacific Standard time (i.e. GMT -7 hours).
The streaming matches are highlighted in red.
Group B (11am)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Jung-Lin Chang 9-3
Corey Deuel vs Efren Reyes 9-2

Group C (1pm)
Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo 9-8
Ralf Souquet vs Yu-Hsuan Cheng 3-9

Group D (3pm)
Darren Appleton vs Pin-Yi Ko
John Morra vs Francisco Bustamante

Group A (5pm)
Mike Dechaine vs Ping-Chung Ko
Jayson Shaw vs Warren Kiamco

Group B (7pm)
Thorsten Hohmann vs Efren Reyes
Corey Deuel vs Jung-Lin Chang



Table Standings, Past Results
http://www.playcsipool.com/portals/0/Invitationals/8-Ball Standings.png
http://www.playcsipool.com/Events/UpcomingEvents/2014CSIInvitationals/8BallScheduleResults.aspx
 
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