CTE Aiming Video

[JB Cases]

Hey John --

Is this an accurate description of what you do? This is the earliest reference I could find of Hal himself describing his system-- August 1997

What do you CTEers think of this approach?



"There are only 3 angles for any shot, on any size table. This includes;
> caroms, single rail banks, double rail banks, 1, 2, 3, and 4 rail banks,
> and double kiss banks. Any table has a 2 to 1 ratio; 3 1/2 x 7, 4 x 8, 4 ?
> x 9, 5 x 10, 6 x 12. It is always twice as long as it is wide. The table
> corners are 90 degree angles. When you lay a cue from the side pocket to

I know nothing of this. I have seen it referenced and discussed but as I said before I NEVER participated in or read the Aiming System threads PRIOR to actually meeting Hal Houle. When I met the man, at the invitation of another friend, it was with the barest of ideas of who he was and what he wanted. Bob Johnson didn't even tell me who he was when he invited me to come to Paradise Billiards in Denver to meet him. I don't even think that at the time it even clicked in my head that this guy was responsible for so much discussion on RSB.

I went there and he had a printout of a post I had made where I was repeating something from a magazine about how Johnny Archer finds the spot on the cueball. He then starts showing me all kinds of ways to aim and is splitting the pocket.

The ONLY one that stuck with me is the quarter lines to the center and edges of the object ball. For some reason that one clicked with me and "I" started splitting the pocket using it.

Honestly Mike, I am about worn out from all the discussion and now I remember WHY I never got into them prior to meeting Hal.

I can certainly understand WHY this all causes so much controversy. It's a bit disconcerting to learn something completely new and see it work and not know why it does. Especially something so "simple" like pool.

I have ideas. I have ideas about how to diagram and video those ideas in action. But I have no time.

The ideas are that perspective plays a part in aiming systems. There is no such thing as parallel english in aiming. Those are two ideas that are intertwined - and I feel that there is some merit to them and would like to figure out a way to diagram or show them but I have no time.

So, I will just have to leave it at that.

No, I have not a clue about only 3 angles being needed to play pool. I will say that last night my friend and I went to the pool room and we got in action and every one was watching and it was a ton of fun and we didn't discuss aiming all night and enjoyed every clutch shot that split the wicket. My friend uses or knows a whole bunch of techniques or "systems" pertaining to aiming but when it came time to perform I am sure he wasn't "using" any of them consciously. It all gelled and he came with it and we partied like rocks stars on the winnings. Well ok, like really poor and unknown rock stars but we made it rain at McDonalds at 3am.

 

[champ2107]

This is intersting and would like to learn this since i suck Now i looked at spiders vid also which is pretty cool..... So lets see if I understand this... I stand over the shot, look center cue ball to outside edge of object ball (no need to even look a pocket, right?) drop down on the ball one tip left or right, pivot back to center and fire away?.... Also your aim line is always 100% of the time center cue ball to outside edge object ball and not one tip left or righton cue ball then to outside edge?

 

[SJDinPHX]

How much would you like to bet?

John, Please read post #158. I will admit it is not the greatest analogy I could have offered. Almost all sports deal with round balls, and something to hit them with (cues, racquets, clubs, bats, etc.)or a target to throw them at, such as a hoop or whatnot.
You are an intelligent man, and this is not news to you I know.
There is a level of skill inherent in every unique individual. One of these "mystery equations" may convince a person with a burning desire (which you seem to possess) to think there is a "numerically based system" that will entice them into thinking they can excell at anything involving hand/eye co-ordination, but that elation soon wears off, and reality sets in.
How many infomercials are we bombarded with re: golf clubs and putters with fool proof methods to shave strokes off your golf. Hundreds of new gimmicks a year. But I will say one thing for those hawkers. They're NOT trying to sell you an intangible "foolproof numerical equation".... Oh no, You have to wield that club or putter, or traning device in the proper way to achieve "outstanding results". My garage is full of those can't miss inventions, cause, just lik the lowly AP2 banger, I lack the skill in golf to improve beyond a certain level. But I CAN destroy any pro golfer at One Pocket. Different set of skills. (Although I'd trade them with Tiger in a heartbeat) Although if Tigers Dad had been Cicero Murphy, and mine Jack Nicklaus.....Who knows ? I am quite positive I could have learned almost any sport without a degree in Physics.
Proper coaching can prepare these (usually youngsters) by teaching them proper mechanics, follow through, mental attitude, etc.
But in fact, pool players, golfers, and the like, usually show some promise within their formative years, and then it is a refinement process, based on love of the game, practice, competition, whatever to reach a level of skill that simply CANNOT BE TAUGHT. How many humans could Throw a base ball like Nolan Ryan, or hit one like Willy Mays ?
Surely you know guy's who've been playing pool for many, many years. They love and enjoy pool. They would sacrifice a major body organ to play at a level of an Efren or Archer, (you may be one) but they will NEVER progress beyond a certain level no matter how hard they try.
This never-ending experimenting with fool proof systems is simply an excersize in futility You thrive on the mathematical challenges and you are obsessed with debating (usually antagonistically) with many of your fellow posters, when in fact none of those systems have ZERO chance of elevating anyone beyond their God given capabilities.
Change a Banger to a C player, or a C to a B, (if you can). They'll love it. But please don't try to convince them they should rarely miss another ball if they will only apply Geometry, Calculus, Physics etc. to the game of pool.
Haven't any of you guys proven that to your own selves yet ? Don"t you get frustated with your "System du Jour" ?
Don't bother firing back with one of your long, innuendo laden, diatribes, John.
I'm outta here for good. When I see any of you improve your game to a truly major level, I'll shake your hand and tell you, you had the natural ability in the first place. You just did it the hard way. (like maybe 1 or 2 top players did just to appease some "number crunching" friend) But they really used their natural skill in the trenches.
And thats why we have no bet John. (in case you missed it, also see post #160, I think SOME A.S guys are cool dudes, and I certaily admire their tenacity. These guys should be in a room full of computers, plotting a course to Mars. But then theres probably no pool tables on Mars. How would they pursue the elusive "Holy Grail" of pool, once they arrived

Best of luck in your endeavors,

Dick

 

[JimS]

Dick, I like what you have to say. It would be a lot easier to read what you have to say if you'd please leave a space between the paragraphs. The print is sort of small and the lines tend to run together.

Or is it just my geezerness? :groucho: Thanks, Jim

 

[JB Cases]

John, Please read post #158. I will admit it is not the greatest analogy I could have offered. Almost all sports deal with round balls, and something to hit them with (cues, racquets, clubs, bats, etc.)or a target to throw them at, such as a hoop or whatnot.
You are an intelligent man, and this is not news to you I know.
There is a level of skill inherent in every unique individual. One of these "mystery equations" may convince a person with a burning desire (which you seem to possess) to think there is a "numerically based system" that will entice them into thinking they can excell at anything involving hand/eye co-ordination, but that elation soon wears off, and reality sets in.
How many infomercials are we bombarded with re: golf clubs and putters with fool proof methods to shave strokes off your golf. Hundreds of new gimmicks a year. But I will say one thing for those hawkers. They're NOT trying to sell you an intangible "foolproof numerical equation".... Oh no, You have to wield that club or putter, or traning device in the proper way to achieve "outstanding results". My garage is full of those can't miss inventions, cause, just lik the lowly AP2 banger, I lack the skill in golf to improve beyond a certain level. But I CAN destroy any pro golfer at One Pocket. Different set of skills. (Although I'd trade them with Tiger in a heartbeat) Although if Tigers Dad had been Cicero Murphy, and mine Jack Nicklaus.....Who knows ? I am quite positive I could have learned almost any sport without a degree in Physics.
Proper coaching can prepare these (usually youngsters) by teaching them proper mechanics, follow through, mental attitude, etc.
But in fact, pool players, golfers, and the like, usually show some promise within their formative years, and then it is a refinement process, based on love of the game, practice, competition, whatever to reach a level of skill that simply CANNOT BE TAUGHT. How many humans could Throw a base ball like Nolan Ryan, or hit one like Willy Mays ?
Surely you know guy's who've been playing pool for many, many years. They love and enjoy pool. They would sacrifice a major body organ to play at a level of an Efren or Archer, (you may be one) but they will NEVER progress beyond a certain level no matter how hard they try.
This never-ending experimenting with fool proof systems is simply an excersize in futility You thrive on the mathematical challenges and you are obsessed with debating (usually antagonistically) with many of your fellow posters, when in fact none of those systems have ZERO chance of elevating anyone beyond their God given capabilities.
Change a Banger to a C player, or a C to a B, (if you can). They'll love it. But please don't try to convince them they should rarely miss another ball if they will only apply Geometry, Calculus, Physics etc. to the game of pool.
Haven't any of you guys proven that to your own selves yet ? Don"t you get frustated with your "System du Jour" ?
Don't bother firing back with one of your long, innuendo laden, diatribes, John.
I'm outta here for good. When I see any of you improve your game to a truly major level, I'll shake your hand and tell you, you had the natural ability in the first place. You just did it the hard way. (like maybe 1 or 2 top players did just to appease some "number crunching" friend) But they really used their natural skill in the trenches.
And thats why we have no bet John. (in case you missed it, also see post #160, I think SOME A.S guys are cool dudes, and I certaily admire their tenacity. These guys should be in a room full of computers, plotting a course to Mars. But then theres probably no pool tables on Mars. How would they pursue the elusive "Holy Grail" of pool, once they arrived

Best of luck in your endeavors,

Dick

You're right. Sorry, I had to add one more thing. As long as I have known him I have never heard of Hal Houle charging anyone for his systems. So please don't equate him with your gimmick salesmen. I am really very sorry to hear that you had to do it the hard way and I admire your perseverance. I recommend that every player who has even the slightest desire to become a champion throw away all the books, and videos and get to it "the hard way". The hard way is the only way. Only when you have done it the hard way can you reach championship status. There is no other way than the hard way.

 

[Joe T]

You're right. Sorry, I had to add one more thing. As long as I have known him I have never heard of Hal Houle charging anyone for his systems. So please don't equate him with your gimmick salesmen. I am really very sorry to hear that you had to do it the hard way and I admire your perseverance. I recommend that every player who has even the slightest desire to become a champion throw away all the books, and videos and get to it "the hard way". The hard way is the only way. Only when you have done it the hard way can you reach championship status. There is no other way than the hard way.

Let's be careful how we recommend the hard way (& about throwing out all the books). I taught myself to play by taking a very learned approach and training like any athlete would. Study pro's (thank you accu stats), drills, add shots, exercise physically & mentally, go out and compete, review & repeat. I started in 88 by 91 I won our state championship, wasn't the best there but won and at the time it was pretty tough, now it's a joke.

At that time I received & heard a lot of advice about going on the road to get seasoning so I went. 1 year and because I didn't know better and was just thinking of the money needed I was mostly playing weaker players (my mistake) and came home not only player slightly worse but it also took me 2 more years to break away from the typical pool player mentality (that I had unknowingly let creep into my system) and get back on the path to improvement by getting back into training. I know the road does & did help many players but do it with an experienced person and do it to play other good players.

This is how I recommend the hard way;
Study the pros live or filmed (accu stats, TAR can cut years off the learning process), seek some advice from high level players about their shots, weapons and strategies, train by yourself as much as possible, pick out a ladder of players better than you that you need to climb and schedule matches with them. Map out your year and the tournaments you're going attend, keep a diary, exercise your mind & body and don't do anything you won't be proud of. You're going to win or lose do it in style.

I don't have too many regrets but one is wasting any of the time that I now believed should have been used as training time.

AND, throw out all books and videos that don't come from joetucker.net lol

I don't know why I haven't asked him about it personally but one of the best stories I ever heard was that of Thorsten Holmann spending 4 yrs in the Army, training at pool almost daily and then coming out to win the World Championship at I believe 100-1 odds. I don't know if it's true or how it went but I plan on asking him more about it.

I think our biggest weakness as American pool players is lack of training and I believe this is because that is truely the HARD WAY.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Let's be careful how we recommend the hard way (& about throwing out all the books). I taught myself to play by taking a very learned approach and training like any athlete would. Study pro's (thank you accu stats), drills, add shots, exercise physically & mentally, go out and compete, review & repeat. I started in 88 by 91 I won our state championship, wasn't the best there but won and at the time it was pretty tough, now it's a joke.

At that time I received & heard a lot of advice about going on the road to get seasoning so I went. 1 year and because I didn't know better and was just thinking of the money needed I was mostly playing weaker players (my mistake) and came home not only player slightly worse but it also took me 2 more years to break away from the typical pool player mentality (that I had unknowingly let creep into my system) and get back on the path to improvement by getting back into training. I know the road does & did help many players but do it with an experienced person and do it to play other good players.

This is how I recommend the hard way;
Study the pros live or filmed (accu stats, TAR can cut years off the learning process), seek some advice from high level players about their shots, weapons and strategies, train by yourself as much as possible, pick out a ladder of players better than you that you need to climb and schedule matches with them. Map out your year and the tournaments you're going attend, keep a diary, exercise your mind & body and don't do anything you won't be proud of. You're going to win or lose do it in style.

I don't have too many regrets but one is wasting any of the time that I now believed should have been used as training time.

AND, throw out all books and videos that don't come from joetucker.net lol

I don't know why I haven't asked him about it personally but one of the best stories I ever heard was that of Thorsten Holmann spending 4 yrs in the Army, training at pool almost daily and then coming out to win the World Championship at I believe 100-1 odds. I don't know if it's true or how it went but I plan on asking him more about it.

I think our biggest weakness as American pool players is lack of training and I believe this is because that is truely the HARD WAY.

Not trying to get off-topic here... but I really like your website, Joe. I hope you start posting more 14.1 runs.

 

[Joe T]

Not trying to get off-topic here... but I really like your website, Joe. I hope you start posting more 14.1 runs.

Thanks Dave, we decided to get rid of the flashy flash stuff and go back to simple, simple and people seem to like it better.

I hope I get time to shoot some 14.1 toooooooo!

 

[SJDinPHX]

Sorry, had to clarify a few things!

You're right. Sorry, I had to add one more thing. As long as I have known him I have never heard of Hal Houle charging anyone for his systems. So please don't equate him with your gimmick salesmen. I am really very sorry to hear that you had to do it the hard way and I admire your perseverance. I recommend that every player who has even the slightest desire to become a champion throw away all the books, and videos and get to it "the hard way". The hard way is the only way. Only when you have done it the hard way can you reach championship status. There is no other way than the hard way.

As usual John, you have your methods of twisting words to accomodate your mind set. Hal, and others of his ilk may not have a profit motive in mind Their reward is proving they are "right beyond a doubt" and feeding their oversize ego's. A trait I might add you do excell at.
Your eloquent speech about the "hard way" fell on many deaf ears, at least the more mature, and wiser ears.
The players of my generation simply had NO Accustats, TAR, or the hundreds of instructional tools to learn from.( I'll admit, instant replay might have been nice though)
We did not waste our youth behind a computer or playing video games, I myself as most others of that era, loved all sports, and played them from dawn to dark. In my late teens, I fell in love with pool.
Do I have to name how many players in those years achieved greatness in a sport you are TRYING so hard to master.
What you call the "hard way", actually came quite easy for them (and me too for that matter)
Yes John, You too can master the elusive game you've studied long and hard at, and probably spent a fortune on books,videos,lessons and aiming systems.
But ONLY, I stress ONLY, if you are blessed with the proper genes.

I say again, good luck in your endless pursuit.

Dick

'"What can be more frustating, than a perfectionist, forced to live in an imperfect world" anon.

 

[JB Cases]

As usual John, you have your methods of twisting words to accomodate your mind set. Hal, and others of his ilk may not have a profit motive in mind Their reward is proving they are "right beyond a doubt" and feeding their oversize ego's. A trait I might add you do excell at.
Your eloquent speech about the "hard way" fell on many deaf ears, at least the more mature, and wiser ears.
The players of my generation simply had NO Accustats, TAR, or the hundreds of instructional tools to learn from.( I'll admit, instant replay might have been nice though)
We did not waste our youth behind a computer or playing video games, I myself as most others of that era, loved all sports, and played them from dawn to dark. In my late teens, I fell in love with pool.
Do I have to name how many players in those years achieved greatness in a sport you are TRYING so hard to master.
What you call the "hard way", actually came quite easy for them (and me too for that matter)
Yes John, You too can master the elusive game you've studied long and hard at, and probably spent a fortune on books,videos,lessons and aiming systems.
But ONLY, I stress ONLY, if you are blessed with the proper genes.

I say again, good luck in your endless pursuit.

Dick

'"What can be more frustating, than a perfectionist, forced to live in an imperfect world" anon.

Boy I tell you, you play the insult game with the best of them. I can definitely see you were a top notcher when it came to barking loudest.

For your information I am not TRYING to master billiards. I play once a week if that. You have me confused with someone who worships you because you hustled your way around a six state radius in the days before people had telephones.

That's right Dick, the players of "your day" had no AccuStats, TAR, DVD's with comptuer graphics, no Wei Table, no internet forums to discuss the best way to play. You're right, they had it tough. Boy did they ever.

They not only had to hang around the pool room and "prove" themselves worthy of instuction, they had to abandon everything and dive right in "the life" if they really wanted to get great. And even then most of them spent more time broke than flush. Do you deny it? But that's another topic - this one is about learning to play good pool and the ways to get there.

Do you think that there are more or less good-to-great players in the world now or in "your day"?

I think that there are more.

Why do you think that is?

I think it's due to the amount of and easy availability of quality instructional materials in addition to plenty of high level matches to study.

After ALL this I still don't know what your problem is though. Are you pissed off that some people have found SOME THING that WORKS for them?

Big deal. So what? If Aiming Systems don't work and people who use them are nothing but wannbe suckers then let them be suckers. You admitted that you are a golf-gimmick sucker. So let them be suckers, they are just easy prey for hustlers like you who learned it the "hard way".

Let the math guys do their thing, let the novices and enthusiasts do their thing.

At least they aren't "wasting" their lives playing video games (your words).

I don't know why you are so bitter about this.

Pros who are better than you are have said that they use aiming systems and based on their reports the "systems" they use are quite varied.

Other pros have given credit to instructional tapes and certain practice regimens (ex. Neils Feijen and Bert Kinister) that have reduced the learning curve, in effect taking an easier path than the "hard way".

But not everyone aspires to be a professional pool player. And even if they did then life gets in the way, not to mention that they may very not have the "talent" for it.

But what gives YOU the right to tell them that they are no good and never will be just because they use or try an aiming system.

Because you spent your life hustling pool and you learned "the hard way"?

Give me a break. My parents did things the "hard way" too when there wasn't any other way. Now they and I do things the "easy way" because the world's collective experience and brainpower have given us the "easy way" in most things we do.

It's called progress. Try it sometime.

 

[JB Cases]

Let's be careful how we recommend the hard way (& about throwing out all the books). I taught myself to play by taking a very learned approach and training like any athlete would. Study pro's (thank you accu stats), drills, add shots, exercise physically & mentally, go out and compete, review & repeat. I started in 88 by 91 I won our state championship, wasn't the best there but won and at the time it was pretty tough, now it's a joke.

At that time I received & heard a lot of advice about going on the road to get seasoning so I went. 1 year and because I didn't know better and was just thinking of the money needed I was mostly playing weaker players (my mistake) and came home not only player slightly worse but it also took me 2 more years to break away from the typical pool player mentality (that I had unknowingly let creep into my system) and get back on the path to improvement by getting back into training. I know the road does & did help many players but do it with an experienced person and do it to play other good players.

This is how I recommend the hard way;
Study the pros live or filmed (accu stats, TAR can cut years off the learning process), seek some advice from high level players about their shots, weapons and strategies, train by yourself as much as possible, pick out a ladder of players better than you that you need to climb and schedule matches with them. Map out your year and the tournaments you're going attend, keep a diary, exercise your mind & body and don't do anything you won't be proud of. You're going to win or lose do it in style.

I don't have too many regrets but one is wasting any of the time that I now believed should have been used as training time.

AND, throw out all books and videos that don't come from joetucker.net lol

I don't know why I haven't asked him about it personally but one of the best stories I ever heard was that of Thorsten Holmann spending 4 yrs in the Army, training at pool almost daily and then coming out to win the World Championship at I believe 100-1 odds. I don't know if it's true or how it went but I plan on asking him more about it.

I think our biggest weakness as American pool players is lack of training and I believe this is because that is truely the HARD WAY.

I was being facetious Joe. Dick is a crusty old man who somehow has gotten in his head that some people are advertising aiming systems as the magic path to the World Championship title. Despite the fact that I and others have told him that they are (the ones that work) just another tool in the toolbox he still somehow believes that anyone who uses or promotes an aiming system is a charlatan ruining pool.

Despite the fact that I and others have told him that NONE of us who use or promote aiming systems feel or say that they will make you a champion he somehow believes that this is what we are saying.

Despite the fact that we have ALL described the HARD WAY more or less in the terms that you did above, with the addition of seasoning through top level competition thrown in, he still thinks that Aiming System proponents are clowns.

I sincerely hope that no person ever takes a one pocket lesson from him with the thought that they are taking the EASY WAY to top level one pocket by bypassing a lot of years of hard won experience to learn what Dick knows. If he offers me lessons I will say no thanks, I have to get on the road and learn what you know the hard way.

 

[JB Cases]

Gotta love the German Army. They do have a sports division that allows top athletes to train and maintain world class status while serving. In Germany military or civil service is mandatory. Souquet also was in the sports division if I remember correctly.

Thorsten was 100:1 because he was unknown. Ronnie Alcano was equally unknown when he won it. Or when Wu - who isn't old enough to have learned to play using Dick's version of the HARD WAY - won it when he was 16.

Thorsten, Ronnie, and Wu weren't unknown to those folks in their respective areas though. Thorsten beat Bustamante several times as a teenager. Ronnie of course was tearing up the Joss Tour, and Wu was known in Taiwan as a strong player coming into his own.

The HARD WAY consists of taking in everything you can, discarding what doesn't work and focusing on what does.

That's what makes champions. How they aim is but one part what makes a champion pool player. WHATEVER they do obviously works for them.

 

[JB Cases]

What you call the "hard way", actually came quite easy for them (and me too for that matter)
Yes John, You too can master the elusive game you've studied long and hard at, and probably spent a fortune on books,videos,lessons and aiming systems.
But ONLY, I stress ONLY, if you are blessed with the proper genes.

I say again, good luck in your endless pursuit.

Dick

You know, I can totally respect your idea that the only way to get good is though the same type of experience you went through. I can't however respect such egotistical nonsense as you posted above.

Who do you think you are? Your name is not among those "greats" you mentioned. Who is San Jose Dick Moran? What have you accomplished in the world of pool other than beating suckers and once in a while playing over your head to win a match against your betters.

To paraphrase the infamous Danny McGoorty, 'I bet there are hundreds of players willing to swim a river of shit to play you.'

To me it seems as you have found yourself a little playground where you think that you are better than most other people there and you take pleasure in lording it over them.

You might have been a good player, you might still be one, certainly you are better than me. But in my eyes you are no different than a lot of champions, except that they are champions and you are not, who come looking for a handout because their billiard skills aren't paying the bills. I bet you have put the bite on people a time or two in your "career".

I quit pursuing top level pool when I was 18 because I could see bonafide world beaters sleeping in their cars. While I can certainly respect and admire anyone's cue skills I don't have to worship them when they show off such a lack of class as you are doing in these posts.

Let me clue you in on something, the people with MONEY, aren't the ones who are world champion class pool players. The people with MONEY are the ones who love the game and seek out all the ways that they can play better without having to go on the road and sleep in their cars.

People like you are dependent on people with MONEY to back you, provide you with opportunities, buy your lessons, books, DVD's. Otherwise you are nothing but a broke scuffler who can handle a pool cue a little. I guess your genes weren't good enough to ever get you to the point where you could be a hall of fame candidate either. And unlike Pat Fleming who ALSO learned the HARD WAY, you aren't doing JACK to earn your way there like he did with Accu Stats.

So why don't you just keep your asinine opinions to yourself about what people can or cannot accomplish or reinvent yourself as a fortune teller.

Just add The Amazing before your nickname and you can be The Amazing San Jose Dick Moran who can tell the future, a fine example of the The Hard Way.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Wow, you are bitter aren't you ?

You know, I can totally respect your idea that the only way to get good is though the same type of experience you went through. I can't however respect such egotistical nonsense as you posted above.

Who do you think you are? Your name is not among those "greats" you mentioned. Who is San Jose Dick Moran? What have you accomplished in the world of pool other than beating suckers and once in a while playing over your head to win a match against your betters.

To paraphrase the infamous Danny McGoorty, 'I bet there are hundreds of players willing to swim a river of shit to play you.'

To me it seems as you have found yourself a little playground where you think that you are better than most other people there and you take pleasure in lording it over them.

You might have been a good player, you might still be one, certainly you are better than me. But in my eyes you are no different than a lot of champions, except that they are champions and you are not, who come looking for a handout because their billiard skills aren't paying the bills. I bet you have put the bite on people a time or two in your "career".

I quit pursuing top level pool when I was 18 because I could see bonafide world beaters sleeping in their cars. While I can certainly respect and admire anyone's cue skills I don't have to worship them when they show off such a lack of class as you are doing in these posts.

Let me clue you in on something, the people with MONEY, aren't the ones who are world champion class pool players. The people with MONEY are the ones who love the game and seek out all the ways that they can play better without having to go on the road and sleep in their cars.

People like you are dependent on people with MONEY to back you, provide you with opportunities, buy your lessons, books, DVD's. Otherwise you are nothing but a broke scuffler who can handle a pool cue a little. I guess your genes weren't good enough to ever get you to the point where you could be a hall of fame candidate either. And unlike Pat Fleming who ALSO learned the HARD WAY, you aren't doing JACK to earn your way there like he did with Accu Stats.

So why don't you just keep your asinine opinions to yourself about what people can or cannot accomplish or reinvent yourself as a fortune teller.

Just add The Amazing before your nickname and you can be The Amazing San Jose Dick Moran who can tell the future, a fine example of the The Hard Way.

John,

I am truely sorry that I pushed the wrong button again.
If you could only somehow apply the energy of your bitter, childish remarks, toward learning the game of pool, you someday might become the player you would love to be.
Are you possibly upset with the fact that I have recieved some small bit of notoriety, and you are known only as the "Head Biatcher" on AZB ?
Do you suffer from the same affliction as "The Pearl"...when in doubt, lash out ?
I really hope, someday you learn to control your emotions, as well as I've learned to control my cue ball. (the hard way) 'Till that day comes, just continue to make an A.S.S of yourself.

Dick Mc Morran

PS. For further insight into my non-existent career, please refer to pages 32, 132, 197, and 199 in Robbin's "Shots,Moves, and Strategies". Or in either book by Grady or Buddy. I did not devote my life to becoming a champion. I took a 22 year hiatus to raise a family and earn an honest living. But I did leave a small sidebar in the game. Please don't be too jealous Cheers. SJD

 

[champ2107]

SpiderWebComm i checked out all ur vids on poolvids.com and they are all good and that banking video rocks also, please do more!! ur pretty entertaining guy on the vids also :thumbup: :thumbup: haha

 

[JB Cases]

John,

I am truly sorry that I pushed the wrong button again.
If you could only somehow apply the energy of your bitter, childish remarks, toward learning the game of pool, you someday might become the player you would love to be.
Are you possibly upset with the fact that I have recieved some small bit of notoriety, and you are known only as the "Head Biatcher" on AZB ?
Do you suffer from the same affliction as "The Pearl"...when in doubt, lash out ?
I truly hope, someday you learn to control your emotions, as well as I've learned to control my cue ball. (the hard way) 'Till that day comes, just continue to make an A.S.S of yourself.

Dick Mc Morran

PS. For further insight into my non-existent career, please refer to pages 32, 132, 197, and 199 in Robbin's "Shots,Moves, and Strategies". Or in either book by Grady or Buddy. I did not devote my life to becoming a champion. I took a 22 year hiatus to raise a family and earn an honest living. But I did leave a small sidebar in the game. Please don't be too jealous Cheers. SJD

That's right, you were a side note in Shot's, Moves and Strategies, a book put out by people that accomplished something and bought by those of us looking for the easy way to learn one-pocket. Yeah, your name is mentioned here and there. So what? There are other players mentioned in Winning One Pocket and Shots, Moves and Strategies who also play good and will never threaten the hall of fame either.

The only notoriety I see for you is that you are here telling all us wannabes (to use your description) that they won't ever be as good as you thought you were.

Believe me Dick I am not in the least bit jealous of your non-accomplishments. I am sure that I am just as proud of the coffee mug trophy I won for being base champion as you are of hustling another sucker. If you think being mentioned in someone else's book is your idea of fame then more power to you. Enjoy your 15 seconds of fame.

I know that I am quite content delivering world class products to people and doing my part to make the world a little better place.

I will use my energy towards becoming someone with something to contribute rather than becoming a cranky old guy who lives in the past wishing he could have been as good as the greats.

 

[PetToilet]

yeah i dont see how this can work for angles close to half ball hit if it suddenly goes from 1 tip left to center to 1 tip right of center within 1 degrees of shooting.

in addition, move your bridge up real close and watch it fail every time. it does seem to work pretty well for me with a long bridge though.

 

[SJDinPHX]

That's right, you were a side note in Shot's, Moves and Strategies, a book put out by people that accomplished something and bought by those of us looking for the easy way to learn one-pocket. Yeah, your name is mentioned here and there. So what? There are other players mentioned in Winning One Pocket and Shots, Moves and Strategies who also play good and will never threaten the hall of fame either.

The only notoriety I see for you is that you are here telling all us wannabes (to use your description) that they won't ever be as good as you thought you were.

Believe me Dick I am not in the least bit jealous of your non-accomplishments. I am sure that I am just as proud of the coffee mug trophy I won for being base champion as you are of hustling another sucker. If you think being mentioned in someone else's book is your idea of fame then more power to you. Enjoy your 15 seconds of fame.

I know that I am quite content delivering world class products to people and doing my part to make the world a little better place.

I will use my energy towards becoming someone with something to contribute rather than becoming a cranky old guy who lives in the past wishing he could have been as good as the greats.

Well said John,
When you reach a certain age, you too, will find that you miss the years that
defined you. Looking back becomes more enjoyable than looking ahead.
You should give up pool, (and pool forums) Animosity and bitterness are really your best game. I hope you continue to provide your "world class products" by using "sweat shop" labor, found mainly in the continent you have chosen to live, and do your version of "hustling"
I shall remain in the country I was born in, and though things are looking pretty grim now, I will support it the best way I can.
Old, crusty, ex-mediocre pool player, senile, are all words that may well describe me. Cranky would not be one of them.
I am happy and content with my lot in life. I hope, for your sake, you can shed your cynical, bitter attitude before you reach my age.
But I fear you will have to learn the "hard way"
I offered you an olive branch some time back, but because we have widely differing views on pool, you have chosen to get personal.
You may need this kind of thing, to feed your obvious superiority complex.
However I don't.
So I shall wish you a Merry Christmas (or whatever they call it in China) and a Happy New Year (of the rat, dog, dragon or whatever it is.)and be glad I am, where I am.

Dick

 

[JB Cases]

Well said John,
When you reach a certain age, you too, will find that you miss the years that
defined you. Looking back becomes more enjoyable than looking ahead.
You should give up pool, (and pool forums) Animosity and bitterness are really your best game. I hope you continue to provide your "world class products" by using "sweat shop" labor, found mainly in the continent you have chosen to live, and do your version of "hustling"
I shall remain in the country I was born in, and though things are looking pretty grim now, I will support it the best way I can.
Old, crusty, ex-mediocre pool player, senile, are all words that may well describe me. Cranky would not be one of them.
I am happy and content with my lot in life. I hope, for your sake, you can shed your cynical, bitter attitude before you reach my age.
But I fear you will have to learn the "hard way"
I offered you an olive branch some time back, but because we have widely differing views on pool, you have chosen to get personal.
You may need this kind of thing, to feed your obvious superiority complex.
However I don't.
So I shall wish you a Merry Christmas (or whatever they call it in China) and a Happy New Year (of the rat, dog, dragon or whatever it is.)and be glad I am, where I am.

Dick

So when all else fails you play the China card and show your complete ignorance by it. I'd bet that the products I have made in the last 18 years have put more money into more American's pockets than you have ever made. You should stick to pool as that is something you know about You are the one who has made this personal. You are so fond of referring to post numbers why don't you go back and read where you started all this nonsense speculation into what I am thinking, what my motivations are, and so on. All I was speaking about was the concept of aiming systems and you chose to belittle me for it. I treated you with respect until you started in on me.

I don't have a cynical attitude but you certainly do. I don't think you know what the word means so I wouldn't use it if I were you. Here is a description delivered on bit of progress built by people who "wasted their lives" in front of a computer screen, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism

Animosity? Hardly. I don't feel any animosity towards you. Some pity that you are so very close-minded. Probably comes from having to do everything the hard way.

Bitter? About what? What about you could possibly cause any bitterness in me? Do you think I care one bit about your almost-ran, coudn't make-it-as-a-pro status in pool? Do you think I wish I was you? I wish I would have been Buddy Hall or Efren like thousands of others do as well. I doubt anyone wishes that they had been San Jose Dick when it comes to pool fantasies. Well maybe some local groupies who don't know any better and are enraptured when you fill their heads with your glory stories of learning the hard way.

As for you olive branch, you didn't offer me one, you did the same thing you do in every post, you make a half-hearted backhanded comment wishing me well.

I don't know you. Yeah I read your name here and there and I enjoy the stories you tell. If you are going to be a jerk and tell me that I suck for using an aiming system and always will suck then you won't find me to be too friendly.

Now if you get off your ass and tell us with all of your great experience and hard way knowledge WHY aiming systems DON'T work then we could take that to heart and move on towards becoming the best players we can be. However to jump on these threads and say things like, " I played them all and none of them use aiming systems, and aiming systems are bunk, and whoever teaches them are charlatans, and whoever uses them is a wannabe who will never be a champion" WITHOUT offering any proof of that is just mean spirited.

And to me, that is pretty bitter and hateful.

 

[SJDinPHX]

So when all else fails you play the China card and show your complete ignorance by it. I'd bet that the products I have made in the last 18 years have put more money into more American's pockets than you have ever made. You should stick to pool as that is something you know about You are the one who has made this personal. You are so fond of referring to post numbers why don't you go back and read where you started all this nonsense speculation into what I am thinking, what my motivations are, and so on. All I was speaking about was the concept of aiming systems and you chose to belittle me for it. I treated you with respect until you started in on me.

I don't have a cynical attitude but you certainly do. I don't think you know what the word means so I wouldn't use it if I were you. Here is a description delivered on bit of progress built by people who "wasted their lives" in front of a computer screen, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism

Animosity? Hardly. I don't feel any animosity towards you. Some pity that you are so very close-minded. Probably comes from having to do everything the hard way.

Bitter? About what? What about you could possibly cause any bitterness in me? Do you think I care one bit about your almost-ran, coudn't make-it-as-a-pro status in pool? Do you think I wish I was you? I wish I would have been Buddy Hall or Efren like thousands of others do as well. I doubt anyone wishes that they had been San Jose Dick when it comes to pool fantasies. Well maybe some local groupies who don't know any better and are enraptured when you fill their heads with your glory stories of learning the hard way.

As for you olive branch, you didn't offer me one, you did the same thing you do in every post, you make a half-hearted backhanded comment wishing me well.

I don't know you. Yeah I read your name here and there and I enjoy the stories you tell. If you are going to be a jerk and tell me that I suck for using an aiming system and always will suck then you won't find me to be too friendly.

Now if you get off your ass and tell us with all of your great experience and hard way knowledge WHY aiming systems DON'T work then we could take that to heart and move on towards becoming the best players we can be. However to jump on these threads and say things like, " I played them all and none of them use aiming systems, and aiming systems are bunk, and whoever teaches them are charlatans, and whoever uses them is a wannabe who will never be a champion" WITHOUT offering any proof of that is just mean spirited.

And to me, that is pretty bitter and hateful.

Did the "China card" hurt that bad ? So sorry.

If I knew how, I would put up a poll something like this;

Who has been the most dis-respectfull, cynical, personally offensive and mean spirited, in the forum exchange between John and Dick ?

# John

# Dick

# Its about even

# Don't all aiming system threads wind up as personal attacks ?

# who gives a s**t

I think you might be surprised at the outcome of such a poll. (I think #1, #4 and #5 would be a dead heat)