# CTE and a 2x1 Surface Explored

##### AzB Silver Member
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What kind of answer is that? Quite playing games , give me a number
He has no idea how to use CTE, he still argues that it's a fractional system.

#### Patrick Johnson

##### Fish of the Day
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What kind of answer is that? Quite playing games , give me a number
Give me one.

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#### Dan White

##### AzB Silver Member
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They both do go in the upper corner pocket. They both also bank in the upper corner pocket. They do not go in the lower corner pockets using CTE
They both use ETA for the straight in shot or is the red ball ETB?

#### Dan White

##### AzB Silver Member
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We don't use CTC with CTE. First you ask to fudge the table, then you want to fudge the system. Wait i'll try the shots with a baseball bat and a hockey puck, would that make you happy,lol.

Seriously whether you guys believe it or not, CTE connects to the pockets exactly as Stan says. You and your friends expert minds haven't proven anything different. Lots of keyboard thoughts don't change that. You haven't even posted a keyboard drawing that would invalidate Stan's claim.
And all this garbage about changing the size of the table makes Stan's claim more and more valid. It shows that you have ZERO evidence to dispute it.
Forgive me the occasional typo. Obviously I meant ETC not CTC. The point is that with 6 inches cut off the bottom the corner pocket is now 2.5 diamonds from the yellow ball and 1.5 diamonds from the red ball. Why is there no solution for this shot?

#### Dan White

##### AzB Silver Member
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How many hours have you spent at the table using/trying cte? Just a number please.
For me it didn't take hours. I knew after 10 minutes with Hal that you had to vary the pivot to make shots go in.

##### AzB Silver Member
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Forgive me the occasional typo. Obviously I meant ETC not CTC. The point is that with 6 inches cut off the bottom the corner pocket is now 2.5 diamonds from the yellow ball and 1.5 diamonds from the red ball. Why is there no solution for this shot?
CTE would work for one side or the other, not both. The system works in it's entirety on a 2x1 surface, period.

#### Valiant Thor

##### AzB Silver Member
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For me it didn't take hours. I knew after 10 minutes with Hal that you had to vary the pivot to make shots go in.
So after ten minutes you quit?

#### Patrick Johnson

##### Fish of the Day
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For me it didn't take hours. I knew after 10 minutes with Hal that you had to vary the pivot to make shots go in.
It doesn't even take a second. It's obvious without knowing anything about it that it's the only way possible. Why? Because no system can precisely define all (or even a respectable fraction of) the alignments needed in pool - it always takes some experience-based estimation to finish the alignment. In fact, that's the crucial part of every aiming task using every method.

The main problem discussing CTE with its users is that none of them can see that obvious fact, and they think they're being attacked when it's pointed out. Hopefully some of the non-users reading here get it - if they don't, then CTE might be for them.

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#### Valiant Thor

##### AzB Silver Member
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What does (give me one) mean? Simple answer, how many hours did you spend trying to understand CTE
Give me one.

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what

#### Patrick Johnson

##### Fish of the Day
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What does (give me one) mean? Simple answer, how many hours did you spend trying to understand CTE
How many do you think it takes to understand what I've said about it?

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##### AzB Silver Member
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It doesn't even take a second. It's obvious without knowing anything about it that it's the only way possible. Why? Because no system can precisely define all (or even a respectable fraction of) the alignments needed in pool - it always takes some experience-based estimation to finish the alignment. In fact, that's the crucial part of every aiming task using every method.

The main problem discussing CTE with its users is that none of them can see that obvious fact, and they think they're being attacked when it's pointed out. Hopefully some of the non-users reading here get it - if they don't, then CTE might be for them.

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I gotta say, after reading this post a few times along with that other guys post about chopping sides off the pool table to test out a system i had to walk outside. Yes indeed, a full moon. Should have known. The crazies are out in full force,lol.

#### straightline

##### AzB Silver Member
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It doesn't even take a second. It's obvious without knowing anything about it that it's the only way possible. Why? Because no system can precisely define all (or even a respectable fraction of) the alignments needed in pool - it always takes some experience-based estimation to finish the alignment. In fact, that's the crucial part of every aiming task using every method.

The main problem discussing CTE with its users is that none of them can see that obvious fact, and they think they're being attacked when it's pointed out. Hopefully some of the non-users reading here get it - if they don't, then CTE might be for them.

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The idea seems to be to sell around this trivial detail. Ironically if you cut to a world where cortical cybernatics define the species, CTE can have relevance as a preparatory step.

#### JB Cases

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How many hours have you spent at the table using/trying cte? Just a number please.
I don't know, I have been using it since 2013ish.

What number is meaningful to you and why?

#### JB Cases

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CTE seems a little short on qualifications.
Fits almost perfectly.

#### JB Cases

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How many systems do you think might work "objectively"?

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Many.

#### JB Cases

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And of course he'll need to have the target pocket clearly in view too - which proves the opposite of what you claim.

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So you're not going to provide the information?

#### Valiant Thor

##### AzB Silver Member
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How many do you think it takes to understand what I've said about it?

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That's not an answer to my question.

#### Patrick Johnson

##### Fish of the Day
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That's not an answer to my question.
Funny, you haven’t answered mine either...

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#### Patrick Johnson

##### Fish of the Day
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How many systems do you think might work "objectively"?
So CTE isn’t special in that regard?

Careful, John, you’re getting dangerously close to speaking the truth.

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