CTE and throw

dr_dave said:
There are many logical explanations for why CTE can help some people play better. Many of them are listed here:

Regards,
Dave
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I agree Dave, I have watched all of your videos on it, and frankly almost all of your videos I have watched.

I have watched every video on the internet about CTE, then I played Stevie Moore at the US Open last year and learned a ton watching him, then my freind Matt Krah explained just a few things about it to me. Then I went home, used it as a starting point and started making balls and running racks.

Thats just me though, others might not get it. But I think having the confidence and "trust" that the shot will go is important, beucase if you dont trust it, it won't go. there have been many times I have been down on a shot, used CTE and thought "no way this is going" then I trusted it would go, pulled the trigger and it went! Just becuase it looks wrong dosn't mean it is.
 
jrhendy said:
And it works because you want it to.

Confidence is huge in playing good pool and anything you believe in strongly enough has to help.

I am not a believer but realize there are many ways to get the job done and concede CTE may be one of them. I know enough players that use it to believe it has merit. IMO some of the true believers take it a little too far with their claims and that is why these threads usually end up in a flame war.

I like the way you make a common sense non antagonistic reply to the questions on your thread. If it works for you, great. I have been playing for almost 60 years without it and doubt if I could absorb it now and really don't want to try. I still hit em pretty well and want to keep it up as long as I can.

I was around Hal Houle quite a bit 30 years ago and he had a lot of systems. This seems to be the one that stuck. Hal Mix was also around the same time and he also had his system and even had a book/brochure published that was easier to understand and made more sense to me.
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Confidence is huge, true.. but I didn't just have faith this all worked cause someone told me it did. It took a lot of 'yea, well what about this shot' until I really starting trusting it enough to use it in a game. Now I trust it more than anything else because it has proven to work. Now that I've been using it for a while, I can start to see where I need to be before I do my pivot junk... It's showed me where I need to be enough that I start to remember and don't always need it but its good (for me) to keep doing it.

I heard you play great pool and already put the ball in the hole just fine. Its not for you, but its great for me.
 
UGOTTHE6:
...there have been many times I have been down on a shot, used CTE and thought "no way this is going" then I trusted it would go, pulled the trigger and it went! Just becuase it looks wrong dosn't mean it is.
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Or doesn't mean your subconscious can't fix it.

pj
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Patrick Johnson said:
Or doesn't mean your subconscious can't fix it.

pj
chgo
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cleary said:
[snip cleary's penis fantasy]
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What is it about CTE involving the subconscious that's so threatening you have to leap into battle at the mere mention of the word? Do you think the original poster, who asked about CTE, should be protected from such heretical ideas?

pj
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Neil said:
What is it about CTE NOT involving the subconscious that's so threatening you have to leap into battle at the mere mention of the word? Do you think the original poster, who asked about CTE, should be protected from such great ideas?
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It's not threatening, Neil. It's simply untrue.

pj
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You see, everyone just falls right back into place, as though they had never left...:p
 
Patrick Johnson said:
What is it about CTE involving the subconscious that's so threatening you have to leap into battle at the mere mention of the word? Do you think the original poster, who asked about CTE, should be protected from such heretical ideas?

pj
chgo
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I'm not leaping into battle, I'm simply making a joke. However the joke ties into how I feel. "does it work?" "ok great, call it what you want, if it works I'll do it." So far, the CTE is mightier.
 
Me:
It's not threatening, Neil. It's simply untrue.
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Neil:
Why?? Because you can't figure it out?
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No, Neil, because I have figured it out - years ago, along with everybody else who isn't one of the handful of CTE True Believers. It's not rocket science and nothing has changed about it.

But I won't get into it all again with you. There are already plenty of threads on this for the original poster to look up, now that he knows the outlines of the "debate".

pj
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Neil said:
Why?? Because you can't figure it out? Newflash Pat- when hundreds of others use something, and you can't figure out how to, you just look like a dolt when you say it's not true.;)
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Could we please have the AZ Fact Checker run onto the field for a moment?

My question: can Neil use the term "hundreds of others" to imply/assert there are that many people who use CTE in the pool universe?

Lou Figueroa
udderwise I think someone needs to
call a foul on his use of the word "dolt"
 
"Don't touch the CTE wire -- the bomb will explode!"

seanjonsean said:
Do all players use this system ? I saw some vids on youtube on how to bank while shifting ure body and u can also use it to cut balls , is that how pros do it too? i noticed SVB stay very still before he pulls the trigger and it looks likes hes adjusting sighting like on vids i saw
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seanjonsean:

I'm sure you NOW see why this topic is oh-so-taboo here on AZBilliards. In summary, here are the root causes why this is so:

* The CTE / pivot-aiming advocates got themselves in trouble with the w-a-y overblown marketing at the outset. (I.e. "CTE is used by all the pros... if you're not using CTE, you'll get beat by those who do... CTE is a center-pocket system..." and on and on.) And then again later (after being called to the carpet about the overblown/euphoric marketing), got in trouble with the back-pedaling, "We never said that! You're putting words in our mouths!"

* The CTE / pivot-aiming detractors got themselves in trouble in being overly obsessed with the overblown / euphoric marketing by the CTE advocates. Instead of just accepting the system as-is (which is an alternate aiming system for those that can't use or have no success with traditional aiming systems or methods), the CTE debunkers/detractors "took the red pill" and went spiraling down rabbit holes trying to pin-down the CTE advocates for "documented mathematical proof," which 1.) doesn't exist (as of this writing, anyway), and 2.) isn't the question that should've been asked in the first place.

The result? What you see here. Just about every pivot-aiming / CTE thread is hard-wired to dip its wing and go spiraling into the ground.

A shame, too, because there are those of us that would *love* to discuss this issue in a civil manner, without emotions (or Pavlov-esque "shoot-from-the-hip" defenses) immediately flaring up.

-Sean
 
Neil:
I once again got sick of you and your cohorts once again trying to discredit [CTE].
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Saying CTE involves the subconscious is discrediting it?

A little sensitive aren't we, Neil?

pj
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sfleinen:
Just about every pivot-aiming / CTE thread is hard-wired to dip its wing and go spiraling into the ground.

A shame, too, because there are those of us that would *love* to discuss this issue in a civil manner
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I can't imagine what's left to say after 15 years of the same old arguments. Aiming system threads inevitably end up sounding like religion vs. science threads because they ARE religion vs. science threads. It's always and only System Believers vs. Rationalists, and no real discussion is possible because there's a fundamental disagreement about what constitutes reality.

pj
chgo
 
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