CTE Does NOT Work - It Did For One Pro

[Dan White]

Well I see know reason why anyone can't make his system work unless they have some kind of learning disability, etc ... people are set in their ways, don't like change, are comfortable with what they use, or have issues with stan, etc

The problem is that if you follow Stan's instructions "to the T" the system does not work. Maybe you don't realize what Stan actually says about his "objective" system. The operative thing you said is that you have to "make" his system work. In other words, if you use the initial alignment CTE provides you have to adjust the pivot or sweep depending on that particular shot. How much? That depends on the shot and knowing that requires a "feel" for the shot, just like any aiming system. Stan would have you believe that his system does that for you. I don't think even you believe that. If Stan would back off on that claim there would be no more flame wars and I think plenty of people would still use the system.

 

[cookie man]

The problem is that if you follow Stan's instructions "to the T" the system does not work. .

Can you actually prove this statement? To my knowledge you've never actually confessed to trying to learn the CTE steps.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The problem is that if you follow Stan's instructions "to the T" the system does not work.

I think Stan's instructions are too vague to be followed "to the T". He leaves plenty of room for user interpretation - an obvious example: the "perceptions".

pj
chgo

 

[Dan White]

Can you actually prove this statement? To my knowledge you've never actually confessed to trying to learn the CTE steps.

That's as false as you saying that Stan's book was out. It seems to be your only out as you go to this often. I probably learned CTE from Hal before you did. Years later I learned Stan's version from the youtubes and put it to work. Based on my experience and based on the several videos that discredit some of the things that Stan claims, I stand by my statements. They are my opinion of what is really happening. You should be asking Stan if he has any proof for his claims. He's the one promoting a product, not me.

 

[Dan White]

I think Stan's instructions are too vague to be followed "to the T". He leaves plenty of room for user interpretation - an obvious example: the "perceptions".

pj
chgo

I think that at least the manual pivot instructions are pretty specific. Of course everyone may perceive the two lines differently and the pivot differently and may well get different results, but that doesn't mean the steps are not specific.

In my case, when I line up an ETA inside or outside I'm going to do it the exact same way regardless of where the pocket is. IMO, you have to tweak the pivot and/or aim instructions to pocket the ball. If you don't do that you will make some and miss some. That's what I mean.

 

[cookie man]

I probably learned CTE from Hal before you did. Years later I learned Stan's version from the youtubes and put it to work. Based on my experience and based on the several videos that discredit some of the things that Stan claims, I stand by my statements. They are my opinion of what is really happening. You should be asking Stan if he has any proof for his claims. He's the one promoting a product, not me.

But you've never really learned CTE have you. Haven't you stated you can only make balls from the perfect angle, even though you have no idea what that angle is. You can't make multiple balls in a row. When a OB is moved it just hits farther up the rail according to you. You really don't know how to use CTE properly do you?

I've seen Stan's proof first hand and in writing and at the table. Stan has plenty of proof for his product.

 

[cookie man]

In my case, when I line up an ETA inside or outside I'm going to do it the exact same way regardless of where the pocket is. .

Why do you not worry about where the pocket is? Are you not trying to actually play pool.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

But you've never really learned CTE have you. Haven't you stated you can only make balls from the perfect angle, even though you have no idea what that angle is. You can't make multiple balls in a row. When a OB is moved it just hits farther up the rail according to you. You really don't know how to use CTE properly do you?

I've seen Stan's proof first hand and in writing and at the table. Stan has plenty of proof for his product.

The original one of the FAB5 was also asked a question and this was his answer:

Originally Posted by Scarlett0Hara View Post

...what's your opinion on the cte pro1 system PJ?


I have no experience with it (and no interest in getting any), but from what I've heard:
pj
chgo


All of them are EXPERTS at CTE when it comes to picking it apart. How do you tear something down when you know absolutely nothing about how it's put together along with the working parts?

But THEY DO! Pool geniuses. What other reason can there be?

 

[canwin]

The original one of the FAB5 was also asked a question and this was his answer:

Originally Posted by Scarlett0Hara View Post

...what's your opinion on the cte pro1 system PJ?


I have no experience with it (and no interest in getting any), but from what I've heard:
pj
chgo


All of them are EXPERTS at CTE when it comes to picking it apart. How do you tear something down when you know absolutely nothing about how it's put together along with the working parts?

But THEY DO! Pool geniuses. What other reason can there be?

Frankly Scarlett..noone gives a dam

 

[8pack]

But you've never really learned CTE have you.[YES HE HAS...MANY OF US HAVE] Haven't you stated you can only make balls from the perfect angle, even though you have no idea what that angle is.[Thats not his fault ...he's following the system instructions] You can't make multiple balls in a row. When a OB is moved it just hits farther up the rail according to you. You really don't know how to use CTE properly do you? [He can...most of us can....but we have to adjust accordingly]

I've seen Stan's proof first hand and in writing and at the table. Stan has plenty of proof for his product.

The only thing he's really proving he can make a ball. As far as his system goes, he gave us instructions that leave one finding the pocket through adjusting most of the time.
Please stop with you dont know cte...most us could probably beat you with it...

 

[SpiderWebComm]

The only thing he's really proving he can make a ball. As far as his system goes, he gave us instructions that leave one finding the pocket through adjusting most of the time.
Please stop with you dont know cte...most us could probably beat you with it...

Adjusting what, where, and how. Illustrate specific shots where it occurs and what the adjustment has to be to make it go in. Btw, did you ever get those eyes of yours looked into and have the problem fixed? It's more than likely why you need to make adjustments.

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...ed-royalty-free-image/167715927?adppopup=true

Btw...I like your choice of color for posting. (I gotta teach you everything and still get no respect)

 

[Dan White]

But you've never really learned CTE have you. Haven't you stated you can only make balls from the perfect angle, even though you have no idea what that angle is. You can't make multiple balls in a row. When a OB is moved it just hits farther up the rail according to you. You really don't know how to use CTE properly do you?

I've seen Stan's proof first hand and in writing and at the table. Stan has plenty of proof for his product.

Stan has said numerous times that he doesn't know why CTE works but that hasn't stopped him from telling everyone that it is a completely objective aiming system that requires no subjective input from the player. That's simply wrong.

Otherwise, refer to what 8pack said.

 

[Dan White]

Why do you not worry about where the pocket is? Are you not trying to actually play pool.

I guess I was giving you more credit than I should have. I thought it was obvious what I meant.

When I find a cb/ob alignment that looks like it is probably ETA inside then I get down on the shot and execute the CTE instructions without regard to where the pocket is. I've already guessed what the correct perception and pivot is. Either the ball goes in or it misses somewhere around the pocket area. This is because I do not make fine tuning adjustments by allowing my experience to tell me when the shot looks right.

What, do you look at the pocket after determining which perception to use? If you can play with a curtain then obviously you don't need to know where the pocket is unless you find yourself tweaking things.

 

[Dan White]

Adjusting what, where, and how. Illustrate specific shots where it occurs and what the adjustment has to be to make it go in.

Here's one example. You have to take shot speed into account or else you can miss. Stan doesn't realize or admit to that, but that does not make it untrue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zjQoNfXcck&feature=youtu.be

There's more discussion of this video here for anyone interested:

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=462546

 

[cookie man]

The only thing he's really proving he can make a ball. As far as his system goes, he gave us instructions that leave one finding the pocket through adjusting most of the time.
Please stop with you dont know cte...most us could probably beat you with it...

If you have to make adjustments then you don't know cte, it's just that simple.

Oh and you are included in the open offer should you ever visit Tampa.

 

[cookie man]

Stan has said numerous times that he doesn't know why CTE works but that hasn't stopped him from telling everyone that it is a completely objective aiming system that requires no subjective input from the player. That's simply wrong.

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Why is it wrong? It is what it is.

 

[cookie man]

I guess I was giving you more credit than I should have. I thought it was obvious what I meant.

When I find a cb/ob alignment that looks like it is probably ETA inside then I get down on the shot and execute the CTE instructions without regard to where the pocket is. I've already guessed what the correct perception and pivot is. Either the ball goes in or it misses somewhere around the pocket area. This is because I do not make fine tuning adjustments by allowing my experience to tell me when the shot looks right.

What, do you look at the pocket after determining which perception to use? If you can play with a curtain then obviously you don't need to know where the pocket is unless you find yourself tweaking things.

Things you post are never really obvious.

"probably ETA" you either know what it is or you don't. ETA and CTEL fixes the exact ccb fot the shot.
System takes the guesswork out, sorry.

No i don't have to look at the pocket after determining the perception .
Do you believe the CTEL touches each OB in a unique spot?

 

[8pack]

Adjusting what, where, and how. Illustrate specific shots where it occurs and what the adjustment has to be to make it go in. Btw, did you ever get those eyes of yours looked into and have the problem fixed? It's more than likely why you need to make adjustments.

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...ed-royalty-free-image/167715927?adppopup=true

Btw...I like your choice of color for posting. (I gotta teach you everything and still get no respect)

I can actually read the blue better..lol..thanks buddy.

Remember back in the day when you guys were saying the same line up made all these shots? Stan even backed it up.

Give me your line ups for each solution.

 

[cookie man]

Here's one example. You have to take shot speed into account or else you can miss. Stan doesn't realize or admit to that, but that does not make it untrue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zjQoNfXcck&feature=youtu.be

There's more discussion of this video here for anyone interested:

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=462546

Again no one who uses CTE really cared about your video then or now.
And you can see that by the replies in the thread you posted.
Non CTE users think you may have a point
CTE users think you have no point at all.

 

[Dan White]

Things you post are never really obvious.

"probably ETA" you either know what it is or you don't. ETA and CTEL fixes the exact ccb fot the shot.
System takes the guesswork out, sorry.

So how does a new player know it is ETA? He has very little "visual intelligence." Maybe he guesses what it is and then shoots the shot to confirm?

No i don't have to look at the pocket after determining the perception .
Do you believe the CTEL touches each OB in a unique spot?

Yes, of course it touches in a unique spot if Stan's instructions are followed exactly. Gerry kind of showed that in his video. He made a cut shot and then moved the ob over an inch and then hit it again with the same perception. He over cut the shot which is what would be expected when using the same perception without making an adjustment. He set up the shot again and made it. Why do you think that is? Does Gerry really not know how to see the perception correctly and that is why he missed, or did he miss because he didn't allow his experience to tell him to hit the ball a little more full? It's just one shot but is possibly telling.