CTE/Pro One, the lesson.

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Troll Away !!!!!!!!!!!! I am outta here. This was joeys 2nd or 3rd attempt at giving us his feedback on the leeson
he received from Stan. It was not for debate or someone scattering links all over his reveiw
 
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Ok...get your story straight.

Joey wasn't the first one in this thread to get their panties in a bind, it was Dave. (post #60, page 5). And that was a misunderstanding. However, it turned into more because Dave's reactionary post turned what was pleasant discourse into an argument, which began on page 5.

Do I think Daves post was inflamatory? Not particularly. But if someone is already on edge, I can see how it would be.

I appreciate your ambivalence (in bold, above). Dr. Dave was NOT trying to incite JoeyA in any unambiguous way. JoeyA blew up and started calling people NAZIS for no real reason.

Here's Dr. Dave from post #60:

"Joey,

Lighten up.

I was just teasing you since you're always giving me a hard time about posting links."

YEAH!! Really NASTY stuff. INCENDIARY! I see what you mean. :D
 
Why are you even posting in this thread?

You have no business asking me that question.

But to answer you...my NAME has been brought up numerous times in this thread, so I think it's only reasonable for me to see that as a call to respond.
 
I would have to quote mine back to the other thread where Joey asked someone to stop posting links to a page that had nothing to do with his Pro-1 lesson. Right now I don't have time to do that. If you go back you will see that was one thing that set him off. Might not have been the only thing. Like I said before. If you want to know why Joey said or reacted to something ask Joey.

And like I said, if you wish to claim that JoeyA was treated badly in this thread before his "mystery blow up" please point to those posts.
 
This is absolutely true. All this drama was started by Joey himself.


This is total bull. The "few people" you're talking about are all Joey - he sabotaged his own thread by going nuts about Dr. Dave's links. That was the first sign of trouble. Now it's nothing but piling on by the CTE Choir.

pj
chgo

Not bull at all. Anyone that has followed this thread or any of the others can see who is trying to disrupt and mock. Calling us the "CTE Choir" is very clever as well PJ. I'm sure in your mind when you say things like this it validates your point. It doesn't
 
Joey,

Lighten up.

I was just teasing you since you're always giving me a hard time about posting links. Although, I agree with you that the VEPS links were shameless plugs, as are your periodic links to Stan's website that is strictly commercial and contains absolutely no online learning resources or information.

I won't post anymore shameless-plug commercial links unless I see shameless-plug commercial links from others. Although, I will continue to provide links to useful learning and instructional resources (from me and others) when I think the links provide information pertinent to a particular discussion or debate. Many people find the information, illustrations, videos, and articles at these links interesting and useful (based on the comments, rep points, and PMs I often receive). If you or others don't like the links, don't click on them. Problem solved!

Regards,
Dave

Here's the full response from Dave in post #60. Like I said, do I think it's inflamitory? Not really at all. If someone, (in this instance, JoeyA) is already on the defensive, he could very well read this as a backhanded attack.

Unless you and JoeyA are the same person, you have no clue what was going through Joey's mind when he read that.

My point is speculative, sure. I'll concede that. But how many times have you been on edge about something and jumped down someone's throat at the first perceived hint of provocation? If you say never, I'd call you a lier.
 
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And like I said, if you wish to claim that JoeyA was treated badly in this thread before his "mystery blow up" please point to those posts.

Wrong., I did claim it and that is the end of it.

I'm sure to you this is like a game of chess where you want to push and move people into a position where they need to be on the defensive for 30 pages. That doesn't work with me. I said it. I stand behind it. If you want to debate it, have at it. I'm not playing into your silly child like games.
 
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Here's the full response from Dave in post #60. Like I said, do I think it's inflamitory? Not really at all. If someone, (aka JoeyA) is already on the defensive, he could very well read this as a backhanded attack.

Unless you and JoeyA are the same person, you have no clue what was going through Joey's mind when he read that.

My point is speculative, sure. I'll concede that. But how many times have you been on edge about something and jumped down someone's throat at the first perceived hint of provocation? If you say never, I'd call you a lier.

But....do you think ALL THIS DRAMA is necessary because JoeyA is "already on the defensive?"

Is this supposed to be therapy time for JoeyA or something? His thread is now filled with non-CTE stuff because of his big drama attack--and NOT because of anyone else's "bad behavior." THAT is the key issue.

Even according to you, Dr. Dave's posts do not objectively comprise "bad behavior." Therefore, the CAUSE of the problem is not Dr. Dave; it's JoeyA's unreasonable response.
 
Wrong., I did claim it and that is the end of it.

I'm sure to you this is like a game of chess where you want to push and move people into a position where they need to be on the defensive for 30 pages. That doesn't work with me. I said it. I stand behind it. If you want to debate it, have at it. I'm not playing into your silly child like games.

Wrong? Game of chess?

If somebody was supposed to have "said something bad" in the thread, is it a "game of chess" to ask which post or posts are the offending ones?
 
But....do you think ALL THIS DRAMA is necessary because JoeyA is "already on the defensive?"

Yes I do.

Is this supposed to be therapy time for JoeyA or something? His thread is now filled with non-CTE stuff because of his big drama attack--and NOT because of anyone else's "bad behavior." THAT is the key issue.

No, this was Joey's thread to talk about his experience with CTE/PRO-One. When he felt that he was being attacked, he reciprocated in kind and didn't just let it happen.

Even according to you, Dr. Dave's posts do not objectively comprise "bad behavior." Therefore, the CAUSE of the problem is not Dr. Dave; it's JoeyA's unreasonable response.

You're right, I don't think that what Dave put in post #60 was inflamatory...TO ME. But I'm not Joey, who very well might have felt that it was. Up until THAT POST, there wasn't any mud-slinging, just simple banter regarding the subject of the thread. And from what I've seen, Joey's response isn't unreasonable...he stated from the get-go that he didn't want to argue about senseless crap...and he's not.

That's where you are lacking comprehension. He is telling people that are attacking CTE/PRO-One to get the f*** out of his thread and stop attacking it and it's proponents "just because". Once he went overboard, the trolls, such as yourself, came out of the woodwork and needled him on.

Aside from my first post, the reason I'm in this thread is because I see people attacking a friend of mine because they know they're under his skin. It's complete BS...
 
If you don't mind, I'll take your use of the word "overboard" as agreement--JoeyA went overboard.

I'll say it one more time. (repeating myself is getting tiresome)

I don't think Joey is completely blameless here, because I think his reaction WAS a bit overboard. But he was doing what he felt he needed to.
 
I'll say it one more time. (repeating myself is getting tiresome)

I don't think Joey is completely blameless here, because I think his reaction WAS a bit overboard. But he was doing what he felt he needed to.

I agree. But doing "what they feel they need to" probably describes every post by every poster on here....

....so I don't know if there's anything to complain about...Every post that may be bothering JoeyA is just one by somebody "doing what they need to."
 
This was Joeys 2nd or 3rd try at giving us feedback on his lesson
With Stan. It was derailed by someone scattering links AGAIN and
those wanting to debate on HIS reveiw thread AGAIN . :bash:
 
I may get banned for this post, but I really don't care anymore. This place has become somewhere that is no longer fun, but just somewhere filled with strife. I don't need it.

I have shared a lot of knowledge on this forum. Due to you and a few others, that isn't likely to be happening anymore. Blackjack shared a TON of great info on here, and he got ran off. I came on here to share some info, and thereby help others in their struggle with this game. This forum used to have a lot of knowledge shared on here. Now, it is rare to find a post about it. I will say that Dr. Dave has been very good in sharing knowledge overall. However, in the CTE threads, well, basically Dave, you have your head up your arse. Why you have chosen to post on CTE the way you have, when your main goal on here is to share knowledge, is beyond me.:confused:

You say you want to set the record straight on CTE, but you don't even know just what it is. Then, wouldn't you be better off to learn what it is before saying something negative about it??

Without exception, those that are ruining the forums by constantly having to chime in on the CTE threads, all have some kind of inferiority problem. They have some sick need to belittle things that they don't know about, and refuse to learn about. Yet, they need the attention, and they can't get it in a positive way, so they resort to being negative. They don't even care that the attention they so crave is that most think they are being an ass. Just so they get the attention.

I brought up the same points last week that Joey has. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of trying to help people, just to have a few constantly chime in and belittle what has been said. Your goal isn't to help people at all, especially Get Me There, who has NEVER contributed anything worthwhile to this forum. Pat has, many times. But in this case, you also are way out of bounds.

This forum needs to get back to helping people in this game. If you don't know what the heck you are talking about, then either ask a question, or shut the heck up! There are many areas that I say a lot about on here. And, there are more areas that I don't say anything because I am just not sure about that area. Others here need to learn to do the same.

By driving off the good posters, this forum becomes less and less of a place that anyone wants to be. Right now, this is the best forum, it's the best because it has no real competition. The competition has been run into the ground by people that act the same way some on here are now acting.

NONE of the problems on here recently have come about from people having a different opinion. There is nothing wrong with that. It has all stemmed from some wanting to have an opinion without knowing what they are even talking about. And, some sick need to want to see CTE fail. I say that, because some posters on here have to constantly chime in, with nothing to say about the topic, other than negative. Yet, they don't have a clue, and have no desire to have a clue what it is. Those people aren't trying to save or benefit the forum or any player. They soley want to sow discord. And, they should be removed from here.

Some of you sound like a bunch of school kid bullies. Then, when others get together to take care of you, you want to start crying about our mob mentality. You want to dish it out, but when it comes back to bite you in the ass, you want to go crying about it. If these conversations where happening in person, and you acted the same way, you would be getting a lesson in how to act with people. But on here, you feel free to be as big an ass as possible. No matter how many or how many times some of you are told, you don't change. That means only one thing, you don't give a flying F. what anyone else really thinks about you, just so they do think about you.

It's not up to me obviously, but if it was, P.J., Duckie, Dr. Dave, Lou, you would all be barred from any CTE threads until you learned something about it. Get Me There, I would just get him there, and not here.

It's totally up to you guys on what kind of forum you want this to be. A number of people have already left, some have looked at it and said they want no part of AZB, and a number of other good posters are seriously considering leaving, myself included. If that's what you guys want, just keep it up. If not, then now is a good time to change how you respond to threads.

I know this hasn't been a "good" response. But, I had to get it off my chest. And, will be my last say on this subject for a while.[/QUote

Fully Agree!
 
...he was doing what he felt he needed to.


Just doing a sanity check here: if anyone else uses this defense -- on either side of the fence -- are we cool?

Lou Figueroa
thinkin' he might need to do
what he felt he needed to do
or sumthin' like that
 
Just doing a sanity check here: if anyone else uses this defense -- on either side of the fence -- are we cool?

Lou Figueroa
thinkin' he might need to do
what he felt he needed to do
or sumthin' like that[/QU


Predictable post , His reveiw was being spammed by the same people.
I remind you, that this was not Joeys 1st attempt, But you already know that. I think the reason Stan took Joey in for lessons was for his reveiw.
He has clearly been robbed of that. But that was probably the plan
 
I'm not supposed to release this to the public, but in a recent secret election I was voted Vice President of the AZB Lurkers and it is with that authority that I post the following message to all:

ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDING ME???

I can't even begin to fathom that there are people out there that are getting upset about this stuff. I suppose since Joey A. began the thread he may have some emotional investment in this but the rest of the people chiming in that this thread is upsetting them is beyond ridiculous.

Personally, I hate articles that are written about the element "Antimony". So the last thing I'm going to do is jump on Wikipedia and look up this article, then jump into the discussion and tell people to stop commenting on it. Instead, I choose to ignore it :)

If people bother you......IGNORE THEM! It's not that difficult I promise. I wouldn't lie to you. I don't want to lose my important position.
 
Dagwoodz:
this was Joey's thread
Sorry dude, but Joey doesn't own a thread because he started it. It's an open forum - the freedom to start threads comes with everybody else's freedom to comment in them. If Joey wants a protected environment where he can promote CTE without interruption there's always John's CTE Tree House(TM), where all anybody does (at least when they used to show up) is sing CTE Kumbaya.

pj
chgo
 
Sorry dude, but Joey doesn't own a thread because he started it. It's an open forum - the freedom to start threads comes with everybody else's freedom to comment in them. If Joey wants a protected environment where he can promote CTE without interruption there's always John's CTE Tree House(TM), where all anybody does (at least when they used to show up) is sing CTE Kumbaya.

pj
chgo

Yup, you sure do have the "freedom" to jump in and say whatever you like.

Doesn't mean you have to. Of course, because you have the "freedom' to do so, you and Lou and GMT exercise that "right" rather frequently.

Despite whether or not it actually does any good.

One would think after all the responses you three have made over the last several months, that you would have gotten it off your collective chests. And that you wouldn't feel the "need" to exercise that "freedom" as often as you three seem to need to do.

Don't get me wrong, PJ. I usually appreciate your input in most threads here. And I usually appreciate Lou's humor, most of the time, as well. (After all, he and I are the only ones here who "get" how important Alice's Resturaunt is :p ) GMT, well, mama always said if you can't say anything nice....

But something about CTE sets you guys off. And you aren't much fun at that point. OK, I'll grant you that sometimes John Barton can act similarly. Cookie Man, too. JoeyA is quite invested in this emotionally, as well. And that guy with the avatar with that girl with her butt hanging out. So there is a lot of blame to spread around for the lack of civility in these threads. But all of these posters wouldn't create any issue if they weren't goaded into it. And that is the bottom line. Whether you wish to admit it or not. This is coming from an objective point of view. I don't care one way or the other about CTE. Don't know it, probably won't learn it any time soon. I try to enjoy learning about it here. Sadly, that attempt is derailed EVERY time by people who wish to derail the conversation.

You could say "I don't believe it works like folks claim" and call it good. But you won't. Not you, PJ. Not you, Lou. And not you, GMT.

Grow up. Yup, I said that to you uber-intelligent over-thinkers. All of you. Both sides of the fence. Get over yourselves, and talk to each other, not AT each other.
 
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