CTE/Pro One, the lesson.

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This thread as most of the other CTE/Pro One threads is being assailed by the same troupe, with an addition every now and then.

Dr. Dave
Lou Figueroa
Pat Johnson
gmt

Dr. Dave threatens me with his self-serving links to his website because he doesn't like my links concerning CTE/Pro One.

He admitted to this in one of his previous posts. And then he apologizes but says he will continue to post his self-serving links any time he sees links that promote CTE/Pro One.

I wonder if the management realizes that Dr. Dave's SELF-SERVING LINKS drive people AWAY from this website to HIS WEBSITE.

Dr. Dave has apologized for being disrespectful and for ridiculing CTE proponents and has admitted that he knows NOTHING about CTE/Pro ONe which is what this thread was supposed to be about.

Lou is one of those great SPINNERS. He enjoys sticking JoeyA with the needle and thinks it's funny and humorous. JoeyA doesn't think so and let's Lou know in as nice a terms as he can.

Posters come on this forum and in this thread and say that Lou has DRIVEN them from this forum. Yeah, this is real good for the forum. Keep up the good work Lou. You may destroy this forum while "just having fun".

Patrick Johnson who contaminates his own posts with his venom, drives people crazy with his incendiary one-liners. The only reason I put up with his sickness is that he occasionally posts and clarifies some important things in pool. There's only a limit to how much crap people can take from PJ.

Patrick, you have argued with more people in this forum than anyone else. You really need a little Kumbaya because you are driving people from this forum with your incendiary responses.
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gmt is a cancer on this forum. He contributes NOTHING of value to this forum and only seeks to incite people to argument.

If you look at every single one of his posts, his only aim is to argue. He doesn't like the answers he gets but he pushes on, ignoring what is said to him.

He enjoys the combative debate like no one I have ever seen. I've got to wonder what lurkers think when they come to this forum and see the worthless posts that this person makes.

It's unbelievable that he is still here.

I reiterate what others have said. He contributes nothing to this forum except hard feelings and likes to do nothing except argue and cause ill will.
I'm sure he would jump for joy to see this thread closed.

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I started this thread because I wanted to share my experience of CTE/Pro One from the very beginning.

These naysayers in particular have badgered, picked and probed until I respond back in a manner I don't wish to and one that isn't attractive.

Every one of the above posters follows CTE threads around like a pack of stalkers, trying to cause resentment and to trivialize the CTE users and the aiming system itself.

YOu people should be ashamed of yourselves. NOT ONE OF YOU, HAVE SEEN CTE/PRO ONE and you sit here in judgment like you know what you are talking about.

Besides my threads about CTE/Pro One are about my experience NOT ABOUT HOW CTE/PRO ONE WORKS.

Why are you even here? As I and others have mentioned, to cause ill will.

There is no information that describes how CTE/Pro One works. This is supposed to be about my personal experience and you hound this thread like you have hounded all of the previous threads.

YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU.

Go start a thread so that you can antagonize someone else. I'm really tired of the tag team mentality from all of you.
 
JoeyA said:
gmt is a cancer on this forum.
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You're so "concerned" about the forum; yet you break its rules more than any other poster I've seen. What you have written above is a DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACK against me--completely contrary to the rules for posting.

..and it's incredibly nasty (and untrue). I have a lifelong interest in pool, and I'm willing to share my analytical abilities in discussing it with everyone here. I've posted on MANY threads that have nothing to do with CTE (and received green reps for some of those posts).

...and, I have nothing to sell or promote.

You once green repped me yourself, and said: "More ad hominem attacks. GMT's attempts to discredit anyone who uses CTE/Pro One is a travesty of justice to the forum users. The guy has not even tried it, yet he mocks it and all of its users at every turn and post. He's overdue for a banning."

Obviously, you meant to hit the report button and not the rep button. But it certainly shows you up for a hypocrite: You wanted me banned for what you said were "ad hominem attacks," while you blatantly attack me in your post--and in other posts.

...and for what, btw? Please show me ANY POST IN THIS THREAD where I've been disrespectful to ANYONE (much less "attacked them"--or even criticized CTE, for that matter).

I haven't. I haven't attacked anyone or anything. Which leaves only one possible conclusion: You want me banned because I've elsewhere made a convincing case that CTE has no aiming basis.

You have no legitimate RIGHT to refer to me as "a cancer," or to call me all the other names you have (like "gestapo," and various obscenities), and you have no reasonable cause even to see my presence as negative in this thread.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Sorry for spitting out the truth at 1:53am.
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that would be a perfect line for a rap song. I think I'll start writing it.

Sorry for quoting the truth at 11:26 pm.
I was racking for Big Jim
The rack was slick, I started to slip
It's hard, the life of a hustla
Shootin vibes like another broke sucka...

and all the haters sing....doo..da...doo do do
 
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JoeyA said:
I wonder if the management realizes that Dr. Dave's SELF-SERVING LINKS drive people AWAY from this website to HIS WEBSITE.
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I find it strange that you would say that. Didn't Dr. Dave say at one point earlier that he would link to his site each time you linked to Stan's?

I just made a count in this thread: You, JoeyA have linked to justcueit in FIVE DIFFERENT POSTS, and eezbank in one post. Aren't your links driving people AWAY from this site onto another one?
 
GetMeThere said:
I find it strange that you would say that. Didn't Dr. Dave say at one point earlier that he would link to his site each time you linked to Stan's?

I just made a count in this thread: You, JoeyA have linked to justcueit in FIVE DIFFERENT POSTS, and eezbank in one post. Aren't your links driving people AWAY from this site onto another one?
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So the score is....

29 links by dr_dave to send people to his page that has nothing to do with Joeys CTE Pro-1 lesson and experience.

vs.

6 links to a page that is on topic.
 
eezbank said:
So the score is....

29 links by dr_dave to send people to his page that has nothing to do with Joeys CTE Pro-1 lesson and experience.

vs.

6 links to a page that is on topic.
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No. That's not the "score." Dr. Dave was obviously making loads of links on several posts as A JOKE--and came right out and said so. NONE of the links made to justcueit were meant as jokes.

But hey, I tend to agree: I get a bit tired of Dr. Dave's hyper-readiness to link to his site. On the one hand it's USEFUL, because it contains objective information that can clarify many issues, but on the other, I sometimes wish he would confront the issues HERE, directly.

The bottom line is, nevertheless, that there's no legitimate reason for JoeyA to get all worked up. NOBODY was gunning for him in this thread--he blew up TOTALLY ON HIS OWN STEAM.

I don't think ANYBODY wants to incite useless antagonism (except, in fact, JoeyA and some others, who get very EMOTIONAL about defending CTE--even when NOBODY IS ATTACKING CTE!).

Anybody who reads through this thread will see VERY LITTLE antagonism or attacking, until JoeyA's big blowup on page 5--and even then there was no attacking, but only an attempt to discuss the cause of the blowup (and some people defending themselves, after having been attacked in the blowup post itself--or following posts by JoeyA).

People getting tired of argument and antagonism is one thing, people MAKING FIGHTS over battles they already LOST in other threads is something else.

Nobody here identified as "anti-CTE" (by anyone) has made ANY SORT of nasty or antagonistic post in this thread--that I can see. But JoeyA has made NUMEROUS such posts--as have a few others who seem to want to "support him."

Personally, I think JoeyA should just calm down, and return to his reporting of his experiences--which, btw, I was finding REVEALING and CANDID (and not always completely pro-CTE--and I congratulate him on his candor).
 
lfigueroa said:
You make some great points and your last is one of the problems I have with systems that have you aligning for aim vs aligning as a part of a consistent PRS. I know that when I start with all the pivoting my stroke goes right into the toilet.

Lou Figueroa
not too far
from normal
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When I first learnt CTE it was a very basic form which had a manual pivot and for that reason I put it on the back burner for about a year. I had a difficult time pivoting my arm while I was already set on the shot, it wrecked havoc on my fundamentals ( especially with a left to right manual pivot ). After that lesson I felt there was something to CTE ( as the balls would just fall ) so I investigated further, as I knew there had to be away to cancel out the ackward pivot and I discovered just that. The air pivot allowed me to fall around the pivot, if you will, no movement of the stroke arm after the set position which kept my fundamentals in line - Stan's method does this and more. Pro One allows you to perform the movements of CTE in a natural and fluid movement while staying fundamentally sound.
 
Neil said:
Blackjack shared a TON of great info on here, and he got ran off.
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I haven't gone anywhere. I'm just bored shitless with this topic. Until this starts looking like a pool forum again, I'll be hanging out over in the straight pool forum where the real players talk about shitt that matters.

c ya.

:kma:
 
Glad I missed out on yesterday. Pro-One will survive everyone on here.
Thank you, Hal, Stan, and Spidey.
 
Blackjack said:
I haven't gone anywhere. I'm just bored shitless with this topic. Until this starts looking like a pool forum again, I'll be hanging out over in the straight pool forum where the real players talk about shitt that matters.

c ya.

:kma:
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Good move Blackjack.
 
JoeyA, I like, many others I am sure, have been enjoying reading your updates while learning ProOne. Please do not let the few, stop you from keeping us up dated.
 
Joey continues his downward spiral:
I wonder if the management realizes that Dr. Dave's SELF-SERVING LINKS drive people AWAY from this website to HIS WEBSITE.
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I wonder if management notices that you've flipped out, sabotaged your own thread and launched personal attacks against several people at once.

And I wonder if they'll treat you like anybody else.

I think the punishment should be commensurate with the font size.

pj
chgo

P.S. Of course, the simple solution that goes to the heart of the problem is to stop banning people (who clearly can't help themselves) and BAN CTE AS A TOPIC. Peace in the Valley...
 
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Cookie Man,

You are welcome!

Yes, Pro One will survive!

I am not sure that I will continue on this forum though. I started what I thought was a "much needed" DVD project for people that were interested in CTE and particularly for folks that requested CTE that could not make a trip to KY.

I am tired of the negativity toward CTE and the Billy Mays and exhibit A stuff.

I will never back up concerning my belief that PRO ONE is an accurate center pocket system.

I had hoped to be able to post in a follow-up fashion to my DVD release to answer questions and such but I know that will be impossible because there are certain ones that will never in any way allow me to post in an appropriate manner.

I hope to announce a release date soon. The DVD is on it's way for copying as of tomorrow.

And, one more time, I am extremely proud of my statements on justcueit about CTE/PRO ONE. I never would have guessed the trail-like metaphor.

I am sick of all the stuff and will never back up on my belief that CTE/PRO ONE is "effectively" the most accurate aiming system in the world.

I am proud to soon present a DVD to all that are interested. And, those that are properly motivated will understand and be able to use Basic CTE or CTE/PRO ONE. I have to think this because I got it without the DVD. My lessons for CTE are typically 5-6 hours and the DVD is about 90 minutes and contains over 2000 words in text. There are self-studys as well. Please do not expect to be an overnight sensation. It does not work that way.

I am on my iPhone and have rambled enough.

I appreciate the support that many of you have shown. I would never have thought that my project would have created the kind of attention that it has.

Happy Holidays to all and please know that I will send out DVDs asap when my shipment arrives. Thanks for your patience.

Stan
 
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Joey,

I appreciate your efforts in conveying your experiences with CTE/PRO ONE.

You have covered positives as well as negatives.

I am sorry the thread has been derailed from its original intent.

I guess if I were to do follow-ups concerning DVD content, such as answering questions and so forth, I would get the same thing. There are a certain few that would not allow me to do this.....at least in straight-forward manner.

Again, thank you for doing what has turned out to be a very stressful undertaking.

Stan
 
Stan,
Looking forward to the dvd. I wish you and your family a safe and happy holiday season.
John
 
Thanks Stan

for:

Your efforts,

your patience,

your passion,

your contribution to pool knowledge,

your tolerance,

your resolve, committment, and above all-

your constant and consistent demonstration of pure class as the DVD approaches release.



Stan-Thank you

Happy Holidays

Ship DVDs, then take a well deserved battery charging break.

The friction of energized discussion and disagreement, and being rubbed the wrong way, will often result in a lot of static. Acceptance and adoption of a concept can send most of that static to ground. But not all.

Take care
 
stan shuffett said:
Joey,

I appreciate your efforts in conveying your experiences with CTE/PRO ONE.

You have covered positives as well as negatives.

I am sorry the thread has been derailed from its original intent.

I guess if I were to do follow-ups concerning DVD content, such as answering questions and so forth, I would get the same thing. There are a certain few that would not allow me to do this.....at least in straight-forward manner.

Again, thank you for doing what has turned out to be a very stressful undertaking.

Stan
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I'm sorry for you Stan.

Sorry that a few people who have never even seen your DVD and
who had never taken either of your courses, would hound me and every CTE/Pro One thread that I started.

These four people have laid siege to any thread that talks about CTE.

I fully understand your reluctance in participating in this forum. These four people would simply hound you on each and every point that you made. That is what they do and what they will continue to do.

The fact that you have refined and defined something that they have abhorred from day one, apparently seems to be an affront to their personal psyche.

The fact that they have never even seen CTE/Pro One and attack it at EVERY OPPORTUNITY speaks volumes about their character.

You can be assured that these people will continue to wail and high five each other, taking turns at attacking CTE/Pro One no matter how well your aiming system helps a person aim.

Regardless of their attacks on you, CTE/Pro One, CTE users and myself, I believe you have a good and unique product and that you will sell many videos. You might even get a few students as reward for your efforts in producing the video. :yes:

One of your students that I spoke with recently who took your "Foundation Course" is ecstatic about what he learned in just two days.

Wishing you and your family the very best for this holiday season.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 
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