Ghostball is a waste of time until you have a perfect or near perfect PSR and stroke . In fact pool is a waste of time without those. Except for the people drinking and having fun of course.
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Ghostball is a waste of time until you have a perfect or near perfect PSR and stroke . In fact pool is a waste of time without those. Except for the people drinking and having fun of course.
Actually, it isn't .
The ghost ball can be incorporated in your PSR.
The middle of that gb is the shot line.
Have you been to this website? There's a lot of information on CTE in it.
http://www.billiardsthegame.com/offset-and-pivot-aiming-systems-395
http://www.billiardsthegame.com/offset-and-pivot-aiming-systems-395
Thanks for the reply randy
I've heard of this, the "air pivot". It's all pretty subjective.
Any pivot method that doesn't have an exact pivot point that can be used for every shot is a very subjective method of aiming, requiring a lot of trial and error. I mean, the only way to pivot perfectly onto the correct shot line everytime is to be able to recognize the shot line and the exact pivot needed that puts your cue on that line.
All of these pivot methods seem about as time consuming to learn (or develop consistency) as ghostball or traditional fractions or contact point aiming, so why pivot at all? In other words, since you have to develop the ability to recognize where the cue needs to be in order to make a pivot work out just right, why not just step right in and line up with the recognized shot line without pivoting? Some will say they don't have to know or recognize the shot line, that the pivot takes them to it, but it doesn't, not everytime. Sometimes it just works out, like when a fractional aimer just happens to be on a dead halfball shot or a straight in. It happens a lot, but you must learn to recognize (through experience and practice) every other shot that doesn't happen to line up perfectly for a halfball or straight in.
It's no different with pivot aiming. It'll work out great for some shots here and there, but for every other shot you must work with the pivot points in order to make it work out, which is why it takes a lot of practice -- because you have to develop the skill of recognizing when it looks like you are lined up correctly.
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I see pivoting differently - as a way to "scan" across a range of cut angles until you recognize the correct one. In fact, I think many of us do it to some degree as part of our "final fine tuning", whether or not we think of it as pivoting. I don't believe pivot system users really know in advance where to place their bridge for pivoting to the perfect center ball cut - I think the bridge placement and pivot are part of the "feel" needed for the shot.
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I understand, but I'm talking about defined/planned pivots, where the initial alignment of the cue is several degreed from the shot line, lined up in reference to the cb edge or a half tip from ccb or whatever. I think you are talking about the tweaking that occurs once you are down on the line, sweeping or pivoting a little right or left as needed, which I wouldn't call a pivot. When I get down on the shot I'm not doing any pivoting or browsing around for center cb. If I don't feel or recognize that I'm on the line, I stand up and reposition my bridgehand and stance a little. I try to never adjust for being off a touch while I'm down. It's a bad habit. I see players get down on the cb and then start moving their cue around looking for the line and I think, wow that looks iffy.
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So you find the middle of an imaginary ghostball and all your problems are solved. Sounds cool.
So you think pivot based systems only work for half ball hits and straight ins. Wouldn't make it much of a system then would it.
How about this. Why don't you actually learn a pivot based system, doesn't matter which one, in it's entirety then come back with an opinion. I think your mind would be changed if you really learned one.
False dichotomy much?
Here's an ardent CTE'r using a ghost ball to correct his CTE.
https://youtu.be/oqkYHRTeMZ0?t=1725
The GB is NOT useless . You can use it in your PSR.
https://youtu.be/Q5b34KXNzNg?t=78
So you wouldn't agree that a two line system would be better then an imaginary ball. I certainly think it would. And i would also use contact points before ever relying on a ghostball. But if ghostball improves your PSR go for it.
Well, there's a video proof there of someone who spent a day with Stan and has been touting the system for over a decade .
Sure, contact points can be better than GB, after all you see pros line up the contact points when making combos. Even the ones who claim they use this heavenly system . Heck , I saw the kid line up the contact point on an open table shooting the 10-ball.
Contact points eventually come with experience.
The GB is a good basis for your PSR. Even if your stroke is not perfect yet.
At least you can get your PSR going.
Starting from your rear foot. Why place it dead straight to the OB when it's a cut shot ?
Snooker coaches teach it . Should we argue with them ?
No I don't think pivot systems only work for halfball hits or straight ins. I never said that. I said using a pivot will work for some shots if the pivot happens to land on the shot line, if the balls just happen to be laying right for the pivot to work. But in order for the same pivot to work on other shots the player must learn to judge where the pivot point needs to be in order for the cue to end up on the shot line, whether it's an air pivot or a bridgehand pivot.
I only mentioned halfball and straight in shots in reference to fractional aiming. If a fractional ball user thinks every shot can be aimed with a halfball hit or a straight in, based on the fact that many times those aim points happen to work, then they will miss every other shot because the balls don't happen to fall right in position for a halfball or straight in shot. The player must develop the ability to tweak the aim based on experience, and recognize when they are on the correct shot line.
Now, looking at pivot aiming, it's equally as absurd to think one or two pivots can make every shot simply because they happen to work on a few shots when the balls are in the right position. On every other shot, when the balls aren't lying perfect for the pivot, the player must develop the ability to either tweak the offset or tweak the pivot point in order to arrive on the shot line, and they must be able to recognize that they are on the shot line.
American coaches teach all kinds of things, should we argue with them?
And Tyler has been coached by several including Mark Wilson and JOHAN RUIJSINK, Haven't heard a single word about them talking him out of using CTE.
So how many shots or angles could a true pivot system be used for? Talking no adjustments or anything, strictly follow the instructions. You say a few shots, what are they?
If you have a key shot do you rely on the middle of the ghostball or do you use every available thing you know?