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I have went thru every system there is i bet even made sum of my own up, or added a few things to each system that i learned. What i notice in my time of playing around with systems is that one day i thought i found the perfect system and couldn't miss anything, but i play mostly on bar boxes and eight footers, rarely nine footers but here and there. And the next day i ain't so consistent so i change it up. What i am saying is for me personally i use about three to four different systems depending on the shot. It all boils down to alignment, if you are in the correct position to make the shot addressing center cueball you can make any shot. I suggest one learn to address center cueball personally speaking but i do also use the pivot method on close shots only.
 
Agreed ... that video is not very good. Although, it does make the point it was intended to make ... to keep the grip hand relaxed during the stroke. That video is at the top of my list of videos to redo (if I can ever find the time). Not that it should matter to anybody, but a better representation of my current stroke can be found here:

This clip was filmed in 2009. I am certainly a much better pool player now than I was in 2003. And I certainly still have a lot more room for improvement (i.e., I still have a lot of "potential").

Regards,
Dave

And... this post sums up the issues I've had with your posts, Dave (Alciatore).

It's obviosu that you couldn't play a lick in 2003. You freely admit that you play MUCH better in 2009; you must have obtained more skill and knowledge. Skill and knowledge go hand in hand.

My issue with you was that in 2004, you DOMINATED the billiards Digest CCB- http://www.billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=5 . You positioned yourself as some kind of authority. You tried to be the professor in EVERY thread/topic. You posted in every thread, changing topics to center on you and directing everything to your website as if it was some tome on everything Pool. You were also writing an INSTRUCTIONAL COLUMN in Billiards Digest. Doesnt that seem pompous, egotistical and disingenuous being that you were a novice? What about your instructional book that you were peddling on your website; didn't you feel like a bit of a fraud/shyster?


Eric
 
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And... this post sums up the issues I've had with your posts, Dave (Alciatore).

It's obviosu that you couldn't play a lick in 2003. You freely admit that you play MUCH better in 2009; you must have obtained more skill and knowledge. Skill and knowledge go hand in hand.

My issue with you was that in 2004, you DOMINATED the billiards Digest CCB- http://www.billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=5 . You positioned yourself as some kind of authority. You tried to be the professor in EVERY thread/topic. You posted in every thread, changing topics to center on you and directing everything to your website as if it was some tome on everything Pool. You were also writing an INSTRUCTIONAL COLUMN in Billiards Digest. Doesnt that seem pompous, egotistical and disingenuous being that you were a novice? What about your instructional book that you were peddling on your website; didn't you feel like a bit of a fraud/shyster?


Eric


If there were some inaccuracies in Dr. Dave's earlier articles or videos---let me know what they are. I hope I didn't learn anything that was wrong.
 
My ONLY issue with Dr. Dave is that he seems to be the final word on what's legit and what's not while he chooses not to go out and learn the info himself.

Secondly, it's INSANELY frustrating to have someone of his caliber tell me what's right or wrong when he can't draw his rock (generally speaking). You can tell from his bridge and stance he's a low-caliber player. He's extremely stiff and spastic.

Not knocking him personally, but I think EVERY instructor should have to be at least a certain baseline ability prior to writing instructional columns and position himself/herself as a billiard instructor.

Hey, if you run a ton of balls all the time and you know what it takes to compete and feel like instructing - have at it. If not, you need to earn your dues first. Copy/pasting crap onto your own "billiard resource" won't make you a pool expert.

When it comes to pocketing balls.... how can someone like that even have an opinion on ANY system when they can't make balls with ANY system? CRAAAAAAAAZY if you ask me.
 
Agreed, Spidey.

I'm sure someone will eventually throw out the ol "Tiger Woods' coaches couldn't play as well as him" analogy, but..Butch Harmon and Tiger's other coaches weren't RANK AMATEURS either. For that matter, they all played at a "pro" level.

I couldn't agree more; if you are gonna teach something, you have better be a master of what you are teaching. You should have acquired the skills to go with the knowledge. If you don't have the skills, but just have a hypothesis on the knowledge, then that is ludicrous and self serving. For that matter, hypothesis is synonymous with "educated GUESS".


Eric >:rolleyes:
 
The Tiger Woods reference is a bit out of context to me. Tiger is the best golfer in the world and his coaches do play far below him, but still on a pro level. But I don't think Shane is holding his breath for the next Dr. Dave video. His videos serve beginners well and best of all, they are free. Im sure they have helped many beginning players.

I cannot believe how much fighting goes on over aiming. If a system works for one person, it might work for someone else and spreading your information is useful to all. But saying it doesnt work because you dont understand or you wont just lean it for yourself, only holds people back from learning something that could help them.
 
My ONLY issue with Dr. Dave is that he seems to be the final word on what's legit and what's not while he chooses not to go out and learn the info himself.

Secondly, it's INSANELY frustrating to have someone of his caliber tell me what's right or wrong when he can't draw his rock (generally speaking). You can tell from his bridge and stance he's a low-caliber player. He's extremely stiff and spastic.

Not knocking him personally, but I think EVERY instructor should have to be at least a certain baseline ability prior to writing instructional columns and position himself/herself as a billiard instructor.

Hey, if you run a ton of balls all the time and you know what it takes to compete and feel like instructing - have at it. If not, you need to earn your dues first. Copy/pasting crap onto your own "billiard resource" won't make you a pool expert.

When it comes to pocketing balls.... how can someone like that even have an opinion on ANY system when they can't make balls with ANY system? CRAAAAAAAAZY if you ask me.

Since we're analyzing each other now:

You've made a point over and over again of how well you think you play. Simultaneously you've made it crystal clear that you don't know squat. So if we believe your puffery about your playing ability, you're the poster boy for the principle that playing ability does not equal knowledge.

It's also clear by the times (like this one) that you try to insult and belittle those who clearly do know more than you that you feel "shown up" and need to lash out at them in retaliation for your bruised ego. Pretty childish.

pj
chgo
 
Since we're analyzing each other now:

You've made a point over and over again of how well you think you play. Simultaneously you've made it crystal clear that you don't know squat. So if we believe your puffery about your playing ability, you're the poster boy for the principle that playing ability does not equal knowledge.

It's also clear by the times (like this one) that you try to insult and belittle those who clearly do know more than you that you feel "shown up" and need to lash out at them in retaliation for your bruised ego. Pretty childish.

pj
chgo

LOFL...You stink at pool...nyah, nyah

Not to mention, you are a raging hypocrite to talk to anyone about hurling insults. Weren't you warned over in NPR for calling people stupid, stupid?
 
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Skill and knowledge go hand in hand.
This might be true sometimes, but I don't think this is true as a general rule in pool. I guess it depends on how you define "skill" and "knowledge."

To me "skills" are things like: accurate and consistent aiming and alignment, a straight and consistent stroke, accurate and consistent speed control, ability to consistently generate power and accuracy with the break shot, ability (not knowledge) to execute skill shots like jump and masse, etc.!!! Skill comes easier to some people based partly on natural abilities (good 3D perception and visualization, good eyesight and vision, good eye-hand-coordination, good fine-motor control, etc.). But "skill" comes mostly from putting in lots and table time working on drills, practicing, playing, and shooting thousands of shots. A good instructor can also help a person work on and improve their skills. "Knowledge" can help some people develop some skills "faster" because "knowledge" can help somebody practice more efficiently, and better see and understand certain trends and ball reactions. A knowledgeable instructor can also help with providing this sort of insight. Also, with knowledge, some skills can be learned the "right way," possibly helping to reduce wasted time, frustration, and loss of confidence.

To me, "knowledge" includes stuff like: knowing the recommended "best practices" for technique (e.g., stroke mechanics); understanding the basic principles of position control (90-degree rule, 30-degree rule, think 3 balls ahead, leaving angles, cheating pockets, coming into the line vs. crossing a line, etc.!!!); understanding the basic principles of English (what type of English to use on different shots, the effects of outside vs. inside English, how to use English effectively with rail cut shots, the effects of squirt/swerve/throw and how they vary with speed, angle, and spin, and when these effects can help you and knowing how to compensate for them when they can hurt you, what back-hand-English is and when it works and when it doesn't, etc.!!!); knowing about all of the creative options that exist in different situations (e.g., knowing all of the ways to play safe and when, "seeing" carom and billiards opportunities, knowing when and how to use kiss-back and double-kiss shots, etc. !!!); knowing how to aim kick and bank shots and knowing how to adjust for the effects of speed, spin, angle, distance, conditions, outside vs. inside cuts; knowing how (even if you don't have the skill or physical ability) to execute various types of "skill" shots (proper jump shot technique, how to aim masse shots, how and when to use after-collision masse, understanding when and how to use quick-draw, etc. !!!); etc. !!!

I have met some players with incredibly "skill" who didn't "know" that squirt can vary from one cue to another, or that throw exists and that it is more for a stun shot than with a follow or draw shot, or how to control the CB with a rail cut shot by hitting ball-first vs. rail first, or that maximum slow-roll CB angle-deflection occurs with close to a half-ball hit, or how to aim two-rail and three-rail kicks using the Plus-2 and Corner-5 systems, or how spin-transfer affects bank shots, or how to aim a masse shot, or how elbow-drop affects a draw shot, etc., etc., etc.!!! To me, this is all "knowledge." I don't claim to have a lot of "skill" at the table, because my professional and personal commitments prevent me from putting in enough table time to develop and maintain those "skills," but I think I have a fair amount of pool knowledge, and I like sharing this knowledge as an author, instructional columnist, and instructor. It sounds like you and some others feel I don't have a right to share my knowledge and understanding because I don't play enough to have a high level of skill (i.e., "If I'm not 'better' than you, how can I teach you anything?"). If that's the case, nobody is forcing you to read my book, articles, or posts, and nobody is forcing you to watch any of my videos. I don't agree with your opinion, because I think everybody who loves and understands this game like I do, regardless of their skill level, can offer sometimes-useful advice, understanding, insight, and knowledge, provided they are willing to share the information. I am always willing to learn from others, even if they don't play as good as me, provided they have something useful to offer and can communicate their ideas effectively.

Having said all of this, "knowledge" cannot make you a better pool player if you don't put in time to develop the "skills" necessary to apply the knowledge. However, I think "skills" can sometimes be developed more quickly and with less frustration if a person has more knowledge. Now, once a certain level of "skill" has been achieved, knowledge can still help that person improve (e.g., by learning about advanced strategy you might not appreciate, or by learning how to make certain types of shots you still might not be aware of, or by better learning how and why you might be missing certain shots, etc. !!!).

Here's my summary: Everybody can benefit from "knowledge," regardless of their "skill" level, if they are open-minded and appreciate the value of the knowledge.

Regards,
Dave
 
Dave, with all due respect, what you wrote still doesn't say to me you should be teaching people the game of pool. What it does say to me is that you a gifted writer and someone who can debate really well.
Hence the PhD after your name.

Have a nice weekend.
 
I never said I thought I played super well...I just said I can play. My high run is 62 and I run in the 30s everyday. I never hide my speed unlike you and Dr. Dave.

Posting equations about cut angles doesn't show what you know about pool... it's like explaining the physics behind hitting a baseball.... no one gives a shit... either you can hit the ball or you cant.

You're another guy who pretends to know everything while most guys who have played you say you play 1/10th the speed of your posts. If I'm wrong...post a video of you running balls and shut me the F up and make an ass out of me.

end of story
 
Here's my summary: Everybody can benefit from "knowledge," regardless of their "skill" level, if they are open-minded and appreciate the value of the knowledge.

Regards,
Dave

Open minded? You've never been open minded about any aiming system other than DAM or whatever it is you do. Never open-minded enough to further your knowledge with lessons and research. You make a phone call and consider that research?

Look - I agree with a lot of what you just posted --- but the facade has got to end. This goes both ways--- if you want others to be open minded--- you damn well better be as well and learn the info first-hand instead of relying on someone else's limited/incomplete posts on a website to draw a conclusion.

What caused my frustration is your lack of initiative to educate yourself on some systems you're just not up-to-speed on. You've never made an attempt-- not once. Yet, you draw conclusions. AZB is not a technique school --- you need to track down an instructor and spend a few days with that person. Implement the knowledge and then draw a conclusion. However, you've been so closed-minded you've never once done this.

So, while you want other people to look the other way.... don't call yourself a student of the game unless you're willing to learn shit you don't know. Your "magic" is in the "pivot" comments are enraging when you can't play for shit--- you don't even know what pivot is for crying out loud nor how to pocket a ball with one. "OPEN MIND" whatever
 
most guys who have played you say you play 1/10th the speed of your posts

LOL. You haven't talked to most guys who have played me. I doubt that you've talked to more than one or two, and I doubt that any of them said that.

Resorting to obvious lies to belittle others is not a sign of a positive self image, Dave.

pj
chgo
 
This might be true sometimes, but I don't think this is true as a general rule in pool. I guess it depends on how you define "skill" and "knowledge."
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Here's my summary: Everybody can benefit from "knowledge," regardless of their "skill" level, if they are open-minded and appreciate the value of the knowledge.

Regards,
Dave

I'm not so esoteric with my responses...

To split hairs a lil, "skill" is knowledge demonstrated. Skill is the "proof".

"Knowledge", by itself, with little skill, is THEORY and UNPROVEN.

In plain English, if you know a lot of theory, but don't have the skill to prove your theories, then you are just guessing.

BTW, you skipped over addressing my other comments in the same post.


Eric
 
LOL. You haven't talked to most guys who have played me. I doubt that you've talked to more than one or two, and I doubt that any of them said that.

Resorting to obvious lies to belittle others is not a sign of a positive self image, Dave.

pj
chgo

You're right - 2. Good enough indication for me. If I'm lying - post a video. Yawn. Let's see who's accurate in their assessment.
 
I'm not so esoteric with my responses...

To split hairs a lil, "skill" is knowledge demonstrated. Skill is the "proof".

"Knowledge", by itself, with little skill, is THEORY and UNPROVEN.

In plain English, if you know a lot of theory, but don't have the skill to prove your theories, then you are just guessing.

BTW, you skipped over addressing my other comments in the same post.


Eric

Skill and knowledge are NOT related the way you put it.

For example:
We know if you have a straight in shot you can shoot straight at it and it goes in but if you don't have the skill to hit it straight it won't go in. That doesn't mean the knowledge that it would go in is "theory." A theory something that hasn't been proven. Knowledge is a "known" weather or not you can apply it to your skills or not is irrelevant.

You can use knowledge to develop your skills you can't use skills to prove a Theory.

Here's another example:
John Madden knows a lot about football but you won't find him on the field going deep. ( I know it's shocking) That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.:wink:
 
Here's another example:
John Madden knows a lot about football but you won't find him on the field going deep. ( I know it's shocking) That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.:wink:

That's a little different. John Madden is a Super Bowl winning coach...which is why he's in the box commentating. Dr. Dave / PJ haven't won any championships nor have they coached champion players ever. They're self-appointed experts.
 
If I'm lying - post a video.

There's no "if"; we both know you're lying to try to discredit me because I disagree with you. That doesn't matter much to me - it's just a fact to remember when your name is on a post.

The sad thing is that you tarnish your own credibility for nothing - it still doesn't matter who plays better. That's just another thing you don't understand.

pj
chgo

And by the way, as I said the last time your fragile ego got the best of you, we can match up any time we're in the same place. You can crow all you want if you win and I won't say a word if I do - it's just not that important.
 
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There's no "if"; we both know you're lying to try to discredit me because I disagree with you. That doesn't matter much to me - it's just a fact to remember when your name is on a post.

The sad thing is that you tarnish your own credibility for nothing - it still doesn't matter who plays better. That's just another thing you don't understand.

pj
chgo

And by the way, as I said the last time your fragile ego got the best of you, we can match up any time we're in the same place. You can crow all you want if you win and I won't say a word if I do - it's just not that important.

I don't sweat my reputation ever.... I just speak my mind when I think I'm right. If someone doesn't like --- screw'm. That's my style.

As for saying a word if I'd win a match with you - you're right. I'd strut around like a peacock with a popsicle stick up its ass.... and show you the equation to the door.

P.S. How you play DOES matter. I wouldn't dog you except you're such a disrespectful, nasty, hateful, condescending _____er. If how you play doesn't matter --- you might as well play in the special olympics--- where everyone's a winner.
 
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