CTE testimonial

unknownpro said:
If you can cut all shots the same and make them I guess you can use center ball on every shot and get all different englishes too...
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Exactly!!! It seems like people are finally starting to understand. Hallelujah! (Oh wait ... That sounds religious ... I hope PJ doesn't get mad at me.)

Regards,
Dave
 
donny mills said:
What is cte (center to edge) aiming exactly?
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Descriptions and demonstrations of some versions can be found here:


In short, CTE is a system where you align your vision and cue along certain lines depending on the shot angle, you pivot just the right way to bring your cue to the correct line of aim through the center of the CB for the given CB-to-OB distance and the required angle of the shot, then you shoot and watch the ball go in the hole.

Even shorter: Align and pivot, and the ball goes in the hole.

I hope that helps,
Dave
 
It's important to note that not all CTE 'systems' require a pivot. S.A.M. does not, and also allows for adjusting using sidespin. SAM (Supplemental Aiming Method...which is what we teach), is CTE-based, in that 80+% of all shots (including banks) will be CTE (which means aiming the cuestick through the center of the CB, aiming at the edge of the OB). As noted, an accurate, repeatable stroke is necessary, as a baseline. CTE definitely works!:grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

dr_dave said:
In short, CTE is a system where you align your vision and cue along certain lines depending on the shot angle, you pivot just the right way to bring your cue to the correct line of aim through the center of the CB for the given CB-to-OB distance and the required angle of the shot, then you shoot and watch the ball go in the hole.

Even shorter: Align and pivot, and the ball goes in the hole.

I hope that helps,
Dave
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Scott Lee said:
It's important to note that not all CTE 'systems' require a pivot. S.A.M. does not, and also allows for adjusting using sidespin. SAM (Supplemental Aiming Method...which is what we teach), is CTE-based, in that 80+% of all shots (including banks) will be CTE (which means aiming the cuestick through the center of the CB, aiming at the edge of the OB). As noted, an accurate, repeatable stroke is necessary, as a baseline. CTE definitely works!:grin:
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To be fair, descriptions of SAM can be found here:


To me, it sounds like a version of fractional-ball aiming.

I don't mean any disrespect in any way. I think most aiming systems can be very useful and effective for many people, based on the benefits listed here:


Regards,
Dave
 
BrooklynJay said:
question: how do you use CTE with english? what happens if you need to shot with left/right english? all the information i've seen on CTE is moving the cue tip back to center.

if i need to hit with left/right english am i no longer using CTE?
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This is the same question I was gonna ask. Does anyone have an answer for this?
 
Scott Lee said:
It's important to note that not all CTE 'systems' require a pivot. S.A.M. does not, and also allows for adjusting using sidespin. SAM (Supplemental Aiming Method...which is what we teach), is CTE-based, in that 80+% of all shots (including banks) will be CTE (which means aiming the cuestick through the center of the CB, aiming at the edge of the OB). As noted, an accurate, repeatable stroke is necessary, as a baseline. CTE definitely works!:grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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But isn't the CTE aim just a reference? You can't possibly pocket 80% of all shots by just aiming CTE with no pivot or adjustment. You don't even need Dr. Dave's proofs to know that.
 
someone asked about using cte with english. there is no built in mechanism for combining english with cte. there are methods of offsetting your cue and shooting without a pivot, but thats not part of cte. one must combine cte with a bhe pivot.

an aiming pivot is not the same as an english pivot...most people arent aware of that fact.
 
SAM (Supplemental Aiming Method...which is what we teach), is CTE-based, in that 80+% of all shots (including banks) will be CTE (which means aiming the cuestick through the center of the CB, aiming at the edge of the OB).
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You're saying 80+% of all shots can be made with a 30-degree cut (what you get by aiming the center of the CB at the edge of the OB)?

By the way, I don't think that makes it "CTE based".

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You mean they're not for the same purpose, or they're performed differently?

pj
chgo
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they're performed differently, pj. an aim pivot is always different based on the length of the shot. the english pivot is a constant for the most part...based on the pivot point of the shaft.
 
With SAM, about 90-95% of all shots fall within the 1/4 ball/halfball/3/4 ball hits...of that percentage, about 80% or more are halfball hits. You can't possibly make your statement, without coming to poolschool, to be taught SAM.:grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

PKM said:
But isn't the CTE aim just a reference? You can't possibly pocket 80% of all shots by just aiming CTE with no pivot or adjustment. You don't even need Dr. Dave's proofs to know that.
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I have a hard time believing things like that. No one strokes the CB the same way. It doesn't impart the same spin so therefore changes deflection. Everybody has to compensate their own way. some cues throw the balls in more obviously than other...and so on.
 
Scott:
With SAM, about 90-95% of all shots fall within the 1/4 ball/halfball/3/4 ball hits...of that percentage, about 80% or more are halfball hits.
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Of course, being a knowledgable instructor you know this isn't true as stated. As has been proved over and over, those precise hits will not make most shots.

Why be misleading?

You can't possibly make your statement, without coming to poolschool, to be taught SAM.
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Oh, it's advertising. Never mind.

pj
chgo
 
Scott Lee said:
With SAM, about 90-95% of all shots fall within the 1/4 ball/halfball/3/4 ball hits...of that percentage, about 80% or more are halfball hits. ... Scott Lee
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Scott, I've got to call baloney-at-first-reading on this claim. If I read you correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong), you're saying that at least 80% of 90-95% of all shots are half-ball hits. So (multiplying 80% by 90% and by 95%) you're saying that 72-76% of all shots are half-ball hits.

I just conducted a non-scientific experiment.

In Trial A, I rolled all 15 balls and the cue ball randomly out on the table, and tried to shoot them in without missing (no saving a break ball for the next rack). Then I repeated that for another rack, and another rack, until I had made 100 balls. I missed three times (two were on careless shots; one on a difficult shot where I tried hard to make it).

In Trial B, I did the same thing, except I shot every shot as a half-ball shot, even when it clearly was not. I tried to choose the shots in the best fashion to run the balls; i.e., I did not choose the patterns based on trying to make everything into a true half-ball shot. I abandoned Trial B after three racks, because the conclusion was obvious. By the time I had made the 45 balls, I had missed 43 times.

This experiment was certainly not any sort of rigorous proof of the falsity of your claim. But it quickly convinced me, at least, that the percentage of all shots on a pool table that can be made by aiming the center of the cue ball at the edge of the object ball is nothing like your claim of about 75%.

(And, just to be clear, aiming the center of the cue ball at the edge of the object ball is not at all what is done in CTE. Fractional aiming systems and CTE are wholly different.)
 
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AtLarge said:
Scott, I've got to call baloney-at-first-reading on this claim. If I read you correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong), you're saying that at least 80% of 90-95% of all shots are half-ball hits. So (multiplying 80% by 90% and by 95%) you're saying that 72-76% of all shots are half-ball hits.

I just conducted a non-scientific experiment.

In Trial A, I rolled all 15 balls and the cue ball randomly out on the table, and shot the balls in as if I were playing straight pool, but without attempting to save a break shot; just shoot the 15 balls in the holes. Then I repeated that for another rack, and another rack, until I had made 100 balls. I missed three times (two were on careless shots; one on a difficult shot where I tried hard to make it).

In Trial B, I did the same thing, except I shot every shot as a half-ball shot, even when it clearly was not. I tried to choose the shots as if I were really playing straight pool; i.e., I did not choose the patterns based on trying to make everything into a true half-ball shot. I abandoned Trial B after three racks, because the conclusion was obvious. By the time I had made the 45 balls, I had missed 43 times.

This experiment was certainly not any sort of rigorous proof of the falsity of your claim. But it quickly convinced me, at least, that the percentage of all shots on a pool table that can be made by aiming the center of the cue ball at the edge of the object ball is nothing like your claim of about 75%.

(And, just to be clear, aiming the center of the cue ball at the edge of the object ball is not at all what is done in CTE. Fractional aiming systems and CTE are wholly different.)
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Good shooting. Good test.

I'm guessing that you don't use CTE or fractional systems. Is your view that they're very different (I agree with you) based on what you've read here?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Good shooting. Good test.

I'm guessing that you don't use CTE or fractional systems.

Not generally.​

Is your view that they're very different (I agree with you) based on what you've read here?
Not entirely.​

pj
chgo
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PM sent to Patrick
 
donny mills said:
This is the same question I was gonna ask. Does anyone have an answer for this?
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I don't know about anyone else. What I do it line up using the aiming system I was taught that works for me. Then I pivot my back hand to the spin I want and it works.

I did a couple little videos on YouTube showing this but I can't get to YouTube to post a link.

you can look up jbideastoo on youtube and find them.

I am not a world beater and never will be. But I am enough of a player and a gambler to know when I get better.
 
Scott Lee said:
With SAM, about 90-95% of all shots fall within the 1/4 ball/halfball/3/4 ball hits
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If by "within," you mean to include all angles between the three references, and not just the three angles created by the three references, then your statement might be true (but I'm still not sure ... because that's a large percentage, and you are excluding all nearly-straight-in shots and all fairly-thin cuts, which seem to come up more that 5-10% of the time ... but I'm not sure).

Scott Lee said:
...of that percentage, about 80% or more are halfball hits.
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Are you implying that 80% of 90% of all shots (that's 70% of all shots at the pool table!!!) can be made with an exact half-ball hit, regardless of how far the OB is from the pocket, and regardless of how "tight" the pockets may be? This could be true only if 70% of all shots at the pool table had cut angles within a degree or two of 30 degrees. Surely, you must know this is not true. I'm glad it isn't; because if it were, this game would not be near as much fun and challenging as it is.

Respectfully,
Dave
 
John Barton said:
What I do it line up using the aiming system I was taught that works for me. Then I pivot my back hand to the spin I want and it works.
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This is called back-hand English (BHE). It works great for certain types of shots. For more info, and lots of video demonstrations and articles (with illustrations), see:


BHE, FHE, and any English-aim-compensation techniques, can be used with any "aiming system."

Regards,
Dave
 
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