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You're going to catch hell around here from the 'naysayers' though. That just goes with the territory so to speak.
You can discuss it daily with Stan and hundreds of other users by subscribing to his Facebook site. It's free and Connie will admit you once you've shown that you own the book and are a genuine student and not a nutcase troublemaker.
Good wishes to you in your journey.
It's ok, I have thick skin. I won't discount their posts/thoughts as you can find nuggets anywhere and even though everyone disagrees on aiming we are all still really knowledgeable people. There's so much to pool that you can find good info from most serious players. Aiming is but one (important) aspect of pool. I've been referred to as a fence sitter, but I prefer the view from the fence, it's easier to find useful info from a standing position, just like in pool. I'm already on the facebook group but I don't really do facebook. I visited it once or twice after approval, seemed like there was some good discussion going on there but again, I don't really facebook.

I am looking forward to the other iterations of CTE, like Pro One and DP, sometimes I feel like I may be doing a bit of DP automatically, even though I'm trying to do pivots manually at this point. I find that if I miss, it's mostly because I came down with the correct pivot and then pivoted again. I saw I was approaching the shot correctly but then I second guessed it with another pivot. This can happen with all aiming systems so it's no fault of CTE, I do this at times no matter how I aim. I do find it easier to confirm that the aim is correct using multiple references, aim line and sight line.
 
It's ok, I have thick skin. I won't discount their posts/thoughts as you can find nuggets anywhere and even though everyone disagrees on aiming we are all still really knowledgeable people. There's so much to pool that you can find good info from most serious players. Aiming is but one (important) aspect of pool. I've been referred to as a fence sitter, but I prefer the view from the fence, it's easier to find useful info from a standing position, just like in pool. I'm already on the facebook group but I don't really do facebook. I visited it once or twice after approval, seemed like there was some good discussion going on there but again, I don't really facebook.

I am looking forward to the other iterations of CTE, like Pro One and DP, sometimes I feel like I may be doing a bit of DP automatically, even though I'm trying to do pivots manually at this point. I find that if I miss, it's mostly because I came down with the correct pivot and then pivoted again. I saw I was approaching the shot correctly but then I second guessed it with another pivot. This can happen with all aiming systems so it's no fault of CTE, I do this at times no matter how I aim. I do find it easier to confirm that the aim is correct using multiple references, aim line and sight line.
Way to go, boogieman. Conflict around here gets to be a pain in the ass for sure.
Here's something for you to think about: I ran into the same thing with the Disguised Pivoting that you mentioned.
I broke that up by copying what I saw Stevie Moore (a CTE instructor) doing in a tournament up in South Carolina. I was sitting next to Lori Jon, railbirding it and yapping about how she used to sing so good (just cutting up jackpots) and watching Stevie play.
She noticed how Stevie would get very very low and take a visual sighting, stand and then move back into full stance for pulling the trigger. I started concentrating too on the "why" of him doing that.
I started experimenting with that, since I was "losing something" coming down from ball address into full stance for the DP and, mister, things immediately changed for the better. I mentioned it to Stan and he diagnosed it as doing a better job at the gearing when shifting the eyes during the 'round barn' thing.
You can find Stevie Moore playing on YouTube somewhere and see what I'm referring to. Give it a shot and see what happens...can't hurt anything.(y)(y)
Regards,
Lowenstein.
 
Dood, it's a pool demo. It's not labeled Johnny Practices His CTE. And, even if it were it's an indicator you should abandon it for a better method.
Actually my videos have whatever purpose I describe them to have. If I wanted to post a video dedicated to shotmaking percentages then I would do that.

Here is one where I used cte to do a version of a Joe Tucker drill.

No commentary, just the activity.

 
Dood, it's a pool demo. It's not labeled Johnny Practices His CTE. And, even if it were it's an indicator you should abandon it for a better method.
CTE Testimonials just keep coming in.....

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Scores don't prove CTE.

Don't talk to me about connected slices while pooing contact geometry. For instance, <.5 mm of the shot line> ???

Shot line to what? You can't have a correctly aimed pool shot without the shot.
Really? Once again, NO ONE teaches anything called "contact geometry" in the context of aiming in pool. Not even YOU. Either you're truly from another higher order dimension full of humans who understand quantum mechanics from birth and it is very difficult for you to speak to us in the simplest terms you can think of OR you're some kind of eccentric person swimming in your own thoughts with barely any connection to how other humans actually live and interact.
 
Everyone who asks me in person gets started on contact geometry. Everything on socketing the cue ball to the shot, is contact geometry. Quit being such a tard about it. and answer the friggin questions. You got the three, four of you blowin farts as if that covers the issue.
 
Scores don't prove CTE.
Scores indicate which methods produce better results. The SIMPLEST of experiments here would be to create FOUR groups of people who have never played pool and train them to a standard of acceptable stroke proficiency without any shots being aimed at. You could do this for example on a board set up at the right table bed height with a single rail at the end. With that apparatus you could train each person in the proper mechanics such that the majority of decent pool players and instructors would agree that the fundamentals are solid.

Then you teach each group how to aim. Each group is then given a test that has shots from short and easy to long and hard. Each person is tested without getting any aiming instruction and without ever having even had a second ball to aim at. Those scores form the initial baseline for each group based on the average of their scores. You have both the individual data and the group data. You have a progression chart that details the instruction methodology and exposure to knowledge that tracks with each individual's progression from no knowledge and no skill to sufficiently proficient. Each group is allowed to practice for four hours a day for 30 days with testing each day. Practice is limited to shooting centerball shots only and only shots that go directly to a pocket. Some practice will be drills and some will be free-choice of what shots to set up.

1. Group 1 learns no method of aiming. They are given the test daily and instructed to do the drills and the free practice each day.
2. Group 2 learns ghost ball. They are trained to an acceptable understanding of how to apply ghost ball. Once each individual in the group shows that then they continue to the practice and daily testing.
3. Group 3 learns CTE. They are trained to an acceptable understanding of how to apply the CTE method. Once each individual in the group shows that then they continue to the practice and daily testing.
4. Group 4 learns ghost ball and CTE. They are trained to an acceptable understanding of how to apply ghost ball and CTE. Once each individual in the group shows that then they continue to the practice and daily testing.

Doing that experiment should show which of these approaches produces the best average for pocketing proficiency. Since the only variables would be aiming methods known and used and individual aptitude as indicated by the benchmark test scores it should be fairly easy to draw reasonable conclusions from the resulting data.

For a bonus there could be a fifth group that is only taught "contact geometry" and see how they do agains the other five. I predict that they would better than group one and worse than the others.

As long as the behaviors are controlled, i.e. no participant practices outside of the study or seeks outside instruction, then this format can be used in a non-conconcurrent fashion and applied to any method of aiming. In other words it is preferable that the test subjects ARE not familiar with any other aiming methods or concepts other than the one being tested. So any of us could do this now, next month, five years from now, and the conditions would still be the same.

So, no, shotmaking doesn't PROVE the inner mechanics of any method actually work as described by anyone are true because the application of those methods involves visual activity and neural cognition whereby no one knows what multitude of variables exist in the mind which are used to decide to direct the body to perform an action. All shot making can prove is the proficiency of the person making the shots. However if you are certain that the person only knows one method of aiming with a clear set of instructions to consciously follow and that they can demonstrate an agreed-upon standard of fundamentals then you certainly can test that person's shot-making proficiency and make a rational and reasonable inference that the aiming system usage caused an improvement in shot making ability and by how much. In other words you demonstrate that it WORKS or doesn't for the task by controlling for the other variables.

And really isn't that what you are doing every time you bring up a video where you claim I missed more shots than I made? You are clearly inferring if not outright saying that CTE doesn't work as evidenced by particular series of shots that I have shot in some of my videos where more were missed than made. But, above you claim that such scoring does not prove CTE. So if scoring cannot prove CTE then it cannot disprove it either. I tend to agree with you though that missing shots while demonstrating a method that is supposed to increase shot making proficiency is not a strong indicator that the method works. Especially missing more than one makes. And that is regardless of the context in which the video was made. I accept that criticism.

And with it I accept that scoring IS important as a measure of efficacy. In pool it always comes down to shot making.
 
Everyone who asks me in person gets started on contact geometry. Everything on socketing the cue ball to the shot, is contact geometry. Quit being such a tard about it. and answer the friggin questions. You got the three, four of you blowin farts as if that covers the issue.
Then surely you can make a video and explain to everyone what you explain in person. Do you know how to use a cell phone camera?
 
Scoring doesn't prove CTE. The question used to be ,"How does CTE work?"
The answers were on the order of it's a secret, you don't know, your mind does it automatically... blah, blah.
Scores won't establish anything but some kind of pool average.
 
Then surely you can make a video and explain to everyone what you explain in person. Do you know how to use a cell phone camera?
Why do I need to make a pool video? Contact geometry explains itself by connecting the dots. If people need to SEE pool instruction so badly they should seek out the finest PLAYERS and observe how pool is actually done.
 
Everyone who asks me in person gets started on contact geometry. Everything on socketing the cue ball to the shot, is contact geometry. Quit being such a tard about it. and answer the friggin questions. You got the three, four of you blowin farts as if that covers the issue.
i asked you a question in this thread
would you please answer me in the thread
thanks in advance... (y) :)
 
Why do I need to make a pool video? Contact geometry explains itself by connecting the dots. If people need to SEE pool instruction so badly they should seek out the finest PLAYERS and observe how pool is actually done.
Which dots? Connect them how?
Go ahead and diagram it for us.

When I watch the pros I can't see them connecting dots, would you post a video and add your commentary as to exactly what steps the pros are taking/thinking/doing to connect these dots.

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Actually my videos have whatever purpose I describe them to have.<=====YES! If I wanted to post a video dedicated to shotmaking percentages then I would do that.

Here is one where I used cte to do a version of a Joe Tucker drill.

No commentary, just the activity.

Yes...That's good work
Love that video John Barton.....way to go.
(And especially the music accompanying it)
Of course the unwashed mass of ignoramuses won't understand a bit of it.
I got one working of my own that will REALLY send them climbing up the wall. 😇
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Larry was it? Contact geometry is simply the geometry pertaining to pool ball collisions; shot making. You don't need volumes to explain contact points. There are concise pics by PJ and others, I've detailed several alignment "structures" that anyone can learn to visualize. There's nothing that requires clarification about it. Faux tards like JB withstanding.
Oh you mean ghost ball diagrams? Ones that show tangent line? That's "contact geometry" to you? So your pet name for ghost ball is contact geometry. I kind of have the feeling that you're Joey Bautista posting under a second account. The syntax and the nature of how you go about it has that vibe. Probably wrong (damnit Jim stop using NUMBERS) as statistically most people don't use two accounts and troll forums.
 
Oh you mean ghost ball diagrams? Ones that show tangent line? That's "contact geometry" to you? So your pet name for ghost ball is contact geometry. I kind of have the feeling that you're Joey Bautista posting under a second account. The syntax and the nature of how you go about it has that vibe. Probably wrong (damnit Jim stop using NUMBERS) as statistically most people don't use two accounts and troll forums.
Did I say ghost ball? Incidentally, contact geometry can supply the BASE OF THE GHOST BALL. Ghost ball can't do that. CTE neither.
 
JB is just fixated on being the argumaster. Prolly why he goes off at his beloved pool. Does he fear geometric alignment? Don't tell him his design software and workshop are chock full of geometry.
And the CTE testimonials just keep on coming in.....

“Just received Center Pocket Music: Using CTE PRO ONE To Improve Your Pool Game by Stan Shuffett! If you’re not (yet) a fan of CTE, this book has a wealth of billiard knowledge in it. You can tell that Stan put his heart and soul into this book. Overall, this is a great tool in your toolbox in regards to learning the game and honing your skills. I highly recommend it!”—Muhammad A.
 
No doubt some will find a connection with CTE. I believe some pros can make practical use of some of the principles involved without issue. That's because they are already fixtures in the action scheme and know the ropes.
 
Nothing substantive is ever said about CTE - all we ever see is these endless ads for it: "It's great! Buy it!" - followed by endless arguments about the lack of content.

Shouldn't the entire "topic" be restricted to the Wanted/For Sale forum?

pj <- asking for lots of friends
chgo
If you can’t hit the CB good and have a good stroke, aiming is useless. Putting the cart before the horse…..🐎🐎
 
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