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I've seen you make this .5mm argument before and it is meaningless. All it does is give you a veneer of knowledge when, in fact, you don't know what you are doing.

I don't think it is meaningless and actually the "exit distances" (the difference between the CTE line and the GB line as they exit the cueball towards the shooter) is mostly less than .25mm

If a frog could fly it wouldn't buff it's ass hopping.

Frogs don't rub their ass when they hop. We know this by studying them using slow motion video.

Glad you asked that. You are finally getting close to the heart of the matter. If a robot can't find the shot line but a human can then I can think of two possibilities right off. One, the human is learning by practicing the shots. A miss this way or that influences what the brain does in order to achieve the goal - pocket the ball. The robot has no such goal. It only has to perform the prescribed steps. Two, there is something about the human brain that already has the shot lines for all shots preprogrammed. All it needs is a way to look at the balls in a funny way on a square surface and POW! the brain produces the shot line. Maybe early humanoids learned this while playing 1P with wildebeest on the African plains.
No, all it says is that we don't yet have a robot that calculates like a human. Currently robots that shoot pool have to do it by mapping the rectangle and monitoring the positions of each object and plotting the trajectories using the absolutely precise measurement data that it has available. A human looking at it from a diagonal perspective and having one data input mechanism is using a different means of interpreting that information. Saying that there "is something about the human brain that already has the shot lines for all shots preprogrammed" is kind of a cop out. The reason is that almost every human activity we do today has been improved through better techniques that were developed though human thought and study rather than the incremental evolutionary process that favored those better able to throw a spear accurately.


So what would Occam's Razor say? (That's the one you say doesn't apply to CTE). Is it more likely that the player simply learns ways to use the instructions and still pocket balls, or is there some mysterious connection between human perception and a green box?

I said it didn't apply to a specific hypothesis under the criteria defined by Carl Sagan. The most likely answer is that a person's use of certain methods likely improves their ability.

The reality is that missing or making shots has nothing to do with how the system is purported to work (I won't use the word "advertised" because that seems to bother you). Having said that, one would think that someone who has had the nuts like CTE for nearly 20 years would be something better than a cheerleader.
I haven't had CTE for 20 years. I had what Hal taught me which was not CTE but which used objective reference points on both balls. Then when I saw people online talking about CTE and Hal I started paying attention to what they were saying. I was helped in private by some of the folks who had been in constant communication with and who visited Hal often. I learned CTE as Stan teaches it from Stan videos and from him directly.

And I do teach CTE locally. But I do not consider myself to be disciplined enough to have mastered every aspect well enough to call myself an instructor of CTE online. I know that objective aiming methods are very solid and consistent. I am results-oriented and I know that even now if I try to use feel or ghost ball on a wide range of shots that my shot-making consistency drops. So I prefer to call myself a cheerleader because that's what I am mostly doing since there are well-qualified instructors who have studied the method to a degree that they can teach all aspects without error. Now if you want to say that I should be a better player than I am I guess that would depend on where I was before learning objective aiming and other influencing factors between then and now. For example I just went though a year of being in pain when playing that would affect my stance and stroke. My vision has also been deteriorating significantly making it much harder to focus at distance. And really I just don't actually play that much and when I do the muscle groups used don't respond as easily as they used to. And after several hours I am in a pretty good amount of pain and it takes a few days for the aches to go away.

So yeah, if you think I should be better than I am I would agree with you in principle. It would also mean that you agree with me that CTE usage should help folks improve which in fact it has done for many people who shoot way better than I do.

Here is a video of a man who demonstrates some great bank shots using CTE after proficiently learning CTE.

 
Did I say ghost ball? Incidentally, contact geometry can supply the BASE OF THE GHOST BALL. Ghost ball can't do that. CTE neither.

Dan? You want this one. Sounds like a tall claim to me. Does the USE OF so-called "contact geometry" supply the base of the ghost ball? And just HOW does it do this? Please start a thread an enlighten us. You can put all of the CTE stuff to bed if you show us something that is as or more accurate than CTE and as easy or easier to use.

I promise to switch immediately if you will explain and demonstrate "contact geometry" and we find it to work accurately.
 
JB is just fixated on being the argumaster. Prolly why he goes off at his beloved pool. Does he fear geometric alignment? Don't tell him his design software and workshop are chock full of geometry.
I understand what geometry is. I understand what my design software can do. In fact I have probably used my design software to diagram and map out shots using ghost ball and cte more than anyone else on this forum.

I still don't understand how "contact geometry" is used in pool.

But I am open to learning.

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The one you used a template after MISSING A TON in one of your video and admitting you have no clue why you're missing . Then claimed the cte took you to the center of the patch while the center of the gb patch is right in front of you .
And , err no, he's not me . And I don't recommend contact geometry or equal opposites because I can't line them up.
Yes, that's called testing. If I am having trouble with something then I can use other tools to help me figure it out. Unlike you I prefer to continue learning and if I find that I am not getting the results I want I will look for what can help me to determine what the problem is.

Here you go, no ghost ball templates used.

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The one you used a template after MISSING A TON in one of your video and admitting you have no clue why you're missing . Then claimed the cte took you to the center of the patch while the center of the gb patch is right in front of you .
And , err no, he's not me . And I don't recommend contact geometry or equal opposites because I can't line them up.
Do you know what contact geometry is? He won't explain it or how it is used in pool. I think you should stick to only recommending what you can do. Not very surprised that you can't do equal/opposite as it geometrically correct but is kind of difficult to apply over a broad range of shots. I can use it and demonstrate it but I don't like implementing it because there is way too much estimation involved.
 
"This was a great read and Stan said it best toward the end of the book—this takes hours to master, but this information will help any player play at a stronger level if you put in the time from the beginning to the end.”—Eric N."
 
From professional player Tyler Styer.

“Truth of the matter is Stan Shuffett is the one and only guy who has Center-to-Edge Aiming right. It’s a great system and I’ve been using Center-to-Edge Aiming since I was 18 and I’d never aim any other way.”—Pro Player Tyler Styer
 
“I think I got it (the visual process) tonight. I was seeing it (the stepping phenomenon) but not fully understanding it. I thoroughly went over pages 54-55…after going forward through the book and coming back to these pages with a little more knowledge, I saw it. Holy Moly!!”—Rodney T.
 
“I just wanted to take a quick moment and thank you so much for providing The Truth Series (YouTube) and all the hard work that you have done throughout the years with CTE. I would have been lost without all your hard work and I believe without a shadow of a doubt, this truly is the only way to correctly sight.”—Vincent P.
 
“Thanks for the book. It is excellent! I was always using a form of CTE, but now can understand what I was doing wrong and right. Center-Pocket Music: Using CTE PRO ONE to Improve Your Pool Game is helping me out a lot!”—Mike D.
 
From Bob Nunley on Facebook

"Well, I'm halfway through my Morning Workout, which, today, is the Quarter Around from Page 404 of the book... Just finished from the right side of the table, now going to start the left side of the table after a cup of coffee.
So, me taking a break means you have to read my rambling!!! So, I was thinking this morning while shooting these shots about something that Stevie "The Blade" Moore told me about Pro One when I was fairly new to it in 2012. We were at the Southern Classic in Tunica, MS and hitting a few balls to warm up. He said, "Bob, Pro One is like CHEATING..." and ya know, he's right. Pro One won a lot of tournaments and matchups for me over the years, but today, I had to take it little farther.
Yes, Pro One is like Cheating... it's like making the pockets huge for yourself but tightening them up when your opponent walks to the table.
Basic CTE is like Cheating... man, this stuff is DEADLY. It's like playing poker with a marked deck that only you know how to read!!!
Disguised Pivoting??? Yep, it's like cheating too... On a WHOLE new level. Disguised pivoting is like taking a handgun to a wrestling match. There is just no way to describe it until you experience it, but you must master Basic CTE and Pro One first!!! (My opinion, Senor Stan may tell you otherwise, so listen to him if he does)
I use ALL THREE methods during a game and I think it's VERY important to learn all three... to master all three!!! To do that, you MUST have a GOOD understanding of Gearing and Stepping. Once you really understand the importance of those processes, this becomes easy. Drills are no longer boring, they're FUN!
One final note... if you don't have Stans Book, GET IT! I've been using CTE in one form or another since 1998 when I first talked to Hal, and this book, in my humble opinion, is an absolute necessity if you want to master CTE Pro One. My book sits on a pub table along with my "workout notebook" just 8 feet away from my table. I read it constantly, I reference it constantly... It contains EVERYTHING you need to take your game to a SCARY level! Well, everything but the blood, sweat and tears... you have to provide those!
Well, I've about finished that cup of coffee, so back to the Quarter Around."
 
I am posting this one because it is a testimonial both to CTE and the disciplined approach that it can foster towards practice and that "hitting a million balls" goal. I can tell you from my personal experience that the desire to improve and the lack of willpower to do the grunt work on the table are not going to produce the amount of solid ingrained skill that one needs to have.

This is from instructor and very good player Bob Nunley describing a day of practice working out using the practice shots in the Center Pocket Music book by Stan Shuffett.


"Well, my feet, back and head hurt, but what a GREAT CTE Pro One workout today. Started at 9AM:
100 Single Ball Stroke Drill Shots
On the following, for each 20, 5 were done with Pro One, 5 with Basic CTE and 10 with Disguised Pivoting. You can see where I'm putting my emphasis!
20 Straight-Ins as 15-O Right Cuts
20 15-O, slight cuts to the right
20 15-O, moderate cuts to the right
20 15-I cuts to the right
20 30-I cuts to the right
20 45 Outside Cuts to the Right
20 45 Inside Cuts to the Right
I then Mirrored the above shots and cut them to the left.
All of those 280 Shots were done with the cue Ball in the Kitchen and the object ball somewhere along the foot string. So, 4 diamonds separation from CB to OB and 2 diamonds separation from OB to Pocket. Basically, I have hit the cue ball 380 times so far today, including the all important stroke drill.
I'm about to go eat a late lunch then ship some bluing chemicals. A little rest after that and tonight I'll work on 60-O and 60-I, then shoot around 20 racks of 9 ball. Hopefully, by tonight, I'll have shot over 600 balls today."
 
I am posting this one because it is a testimonial both to CTE and the disciplined approach that it can foster towards practice and that "hitting a million balls" goal. I can tell you from my personal experience that the desire to improve and the lack of willpower to do the grunt work on the table are not going to produce the amount of solid ingrained skill that one needs to have.

This is from instructor and very good player Bob Nunley describing a day of practice working out using the practice shots in the Center Pocket Music book by Stan Shuffett.


"Well, my feet, back and head hurt, but what a GREAT CTE Pro One workout today. Started at 9AM:
100 Single Ball Stroke Drill Shots
On the following, for each 20, 5 were done with Pro One, 5 with Basic CTE and 10 with Disguised Pivoting. You can see where I'm putting my emphasis!
20 Straight-Ins as 15-O Right Cuts
20 15-O, slight cuts to the right
20 15-O, moderate cuts to the right
20 15-I cuts to the right
20 30-I cuts to the right
20 45 Outside Cuts to the Right
20 45 Inside Cuts to the Right
I then Mirrored the above shots and cut them to the left.
All of those 280 Shots were done with the cue Ball in the Kitchen and the object ball somewhere along the foot string. So, 4 diamonds separation from CB to OB and 2 diamonds separation from OB to Pocket. Basically, I have hit the cue ball 380 times so far today, including the all important stroke drill.
I'm about to go eat a late lunch then ship some bluing chemicals. A little rest after that and tonight I'll work on 60-O and 60-I, then shoot around 20 racks of 9 ball. Hopefully, by tonight, I'll have shot over 600 balls today."
Bob Nunley "don't jive around"........he's a genuine hitter and a credit to the game.(y)(y)
 
There are more than enough threads bashing CTE that can be found here. We don't need any more in here. This thread was created as a place to share positive things that were said about CTE. I will delete anything else.

Mike
 
Maybe the cte aiming should have a subforum?
you asked this i think in the past i think
maybe its time to rethink it
as an aside
NPR is a joke regarding politics being banned
dont shoot the messenger please
 
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And the good news about CTE just keeps on coming...(this from The Boss himself). Incredibly important!
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Center cue ball as a repeating strategy for conventional aiming is a tried and failed systematic approach.
As stated in my book, if you’re wanting to master center cue ball as a system for your conventional method, forget it. You’re better off to use a TOO or a TOI. That’s the nature of feel aiming.
Yes, CTE is a center cue ball system, but it’s a different animal than conventional center cue ball alignments.
CTE uses only one side of the cue ball for center cue ball alignments rendering that approach much stronger for consistent potting rather than resorting to TOO and TOI. CTE provides built-in overcuts for all shots to center pocket. No judgement, no guesswork!
Nothing wrong with using TOO or TOI. Either of the two approaches work better with CTE versus any of the known conventional methods.
 
Referencing post #79 (y)(y)

Rodney Tyler states:
And I love that. I set up with PX, AL, and SL, step and after my "tunnel" alignment I have a single point on the cue ball to aim too. Done!... shoot
 
Maybe the cte aiming should have a subforum?
you asked this i think in the past i think
maybe its time to rethink it
as an aside
NPR is a joke regarding politics being banned
dont shoot the messenger please
Larry, I think the administration people here have ensured that things will be better in the CTE thread here started by John Barton.
I sure hope so.....I'm working at trying to do my own part toward that end. (which means trying hard to resist the temptation to "go negative" in the threads belonging to other people here)(y)(y)
Regards,:cool:
Peter Lowenstein (Low500)
(as far as politics is concerned, you've been around long enough to know that's a dead end road. Nobody ever changes their mind and things just get crazier. Somebody once said..."A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still"
 
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