CTE the Facts .vs. Fiction

The_JV

'AZB_Combat Certified'
Figured it only right that if we have a thread solely dedicated to the praising of CTE. There should be a thread that allows conversation to discuss the subject matter.

Now I fully expect this thread to go sideways, and have rampant name calling by the typical suspects. All that's fine as far as I'm concerned. Those about to read and/or take part should expect to see poo flung from both directions.

The point...?..., you may ask. Well as long as there's a would be sticky promoting CTE, there should be a consistent place for those interested in the possible issues with learning the system to speak and ask questions.

I'll start...:

I watched the first handful of videos on YouTube Stan released, and had some problems trying to understand the varying perceptions vs what line you were meant to pay attention to. I did post questions here on AZB, but was quickly dismissed by the proponents of CTE, and a specific hater (English) made my hopes of understanding the perceptions a possibility on the forum.

I wish someone would explain as to why the aim line adheres to a perception line in only some cases, and needs to be offset in others. It's like the system only truly works in certain perceptions and if you use another you're required to adjust with a service patch to get successful results.
 
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The reality of the CTE cheerleaders keeps rolling in...

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Keep in mind, all I did in the CTE testimonal thread was point out that Mr. Low500 is being hypocritical in his reporting efforts. He says only "positive" testimonal posts are allowed, but doesn't have a problem with any post that supports his ego/narrative, or posts that are off topic but are made by other CTE users.

I have never bashed, or attempted to discouraged anyone from using CTE. Low500 just has it in his head that I'm some type of hater because he one day grouped me in with the usual critics.

This is the type of response you can expect if you don't chug the koolade and attempt to ask questions about CTE.
 
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lol... pERception.

I suffer from intermittent keyboard dyslexia...
Spellcheck is your friend. ;)💩 You many want to correct your mispreceptions in the basenote.

I find my spelling is not nearly as good as it used to be due to all the misspellings (mispellings?) I see in posts by those with limited orthographic skills.
 
He has nothing to do with CTE. He can't even use it . No way for his 80 yr old eyes with glaucoma can see ABC consistently from a few feet away .
Why the heck is he a cte militant ?
Meh... you don't need to be able to play to be a cheerleader. Even pool has NFL like armchair quartebacks...
 
Believing in anything is a personal preference.

What works for one person don’t work for another.

I like Silver Cars, some people hate Silver.
 
better upgrade your spell check....... 😂 😂 😂

This is easy to understand, remember some of the people who know Grammar & Spelling are the well educated. Some of who have no street smarts.

Could not survive one week in woods because they have no survival skilled.
 

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This is easy to understand, remember some of the people who know Grammar & Spelling are the well educated. Some of who have no street smarts.

Could not survive one week in woods because they have no survival skilled.

This is so true. And it's "some of whom".... not "some of who". 😉😊
 
This is the type of response you can expect if you don't chug the koolade and attempt to ask questions about CTE.
I believe it was grape Flavor Aid.

There are good points of CTE which can be applied to any aiming method. The dual reference of the edge and center of the cue ball is nice. If you see where the edge of the CB is, then imagine where the center must hit, it has a tendency to minimize judgement errors. Focusing on both aim points also makes good use of both of your eyes and depth perception feels better if you're doing so. No idea if this is true, but it feels that way. Focus better, see better, hit target better. Focusing doesn't belong to only CTE but focus is an often neglected aspect of early training.

Another good point is learning about pivots. Sometimes when a shot just doesn't look quite right, or you have to cancel out a ton of spin, a pivot can help. Pivots aren't solely in the realm of CTE however. Not to derail the thread, but CJ does TOI. What is TOI but a slight pivot? There's something there though it won't make much sense without feeling it. People have been experimenting for years with such things, there's lessons to be learned there, good or bad, info is info.

The part about aiming while standing is a very strong foundation, though again, it's not the sole domain of CTE. The AL SL PL and all that seems very confusing at first, but if you just roll with it, it does start to make sense, though I'm not entirely convinced it's describing what's going on. I'll give the benefit of the doubt because how the hell would you explain it? It's confusing as hell at first read/watch but it does start to make a bit of sense once you give it a fair shake. Not just CTE, but any aiming or lack there of... Stand there and actually see the balls. See them every shot. It's amazing how much better you shoot when you actually see the balls and not just smack it by rote. The pros look at the balls on almost every shot. If you want to make it and give every shot the best chance, you cant get lazy and have to see them.

Another good part is "poking your head out." It can be powerful to get your perception right in your vision center. Again, not the sole domain of CTE, but it is a good thing to understand how a slight pivot or "poke out" can help you see. I'd imagine a lot of better players stumble upon this by accident, but it is powerful. I honestly think "gearing" and "ticks" and all that talk is just a convoluted way of explaining how you can shift your perception to see things right. I might be dumb, but the round barn example... it just seems way more complicated than what is actually going on. Peek around a corner, or shift your vision to "eyeball" if something is straight or not and you already understand what's going on. I line parts up at work by eyeballing them and I can often get a 10 foot long part as close as 2-3 mm from square by eyeballing. Sure I need to get the scales/rulers out to finalize it but you can get DAMN close with visual trickery. Ever held a cue up to see if it's warped? You used a visual trick. Same thing with pool balls, use the right visual tricks and you can get damn close to accurate.

Limiting yourself to certain angles can be good at times, but it can also be an anchor on your neck. Knowing the 4 or so angles can help you plan natural follow and know where to expect tangent to be, though again, it's not the sole domain of CTE. A few angles is just too limiting IMO, but for someone learning it's smart to keep it simple. It's surprising just how many shots you can do with only the 3 base angles, adding the 4th is good for when you get out of shape or are left a thin cut. Though I've had some success with the very basics of CTE, but I'll not be giving my aiming system up, but it's nice to have a backup plan if the balls look funny.

Personally I've had a bit of success with the limited time I've put in with CTE. If I'm "on" I don't use it at all. If something looks funny or I'm having an off night, I'll often use the 3 places to limit my screw ups. Limiting myself when things just look odd helps. Half ball is especially easy to see for obvious reasons.

Something additional to focus on might be beneficial to some players. CTE does make you focus on the ball when it's easy to get lazy and just smack it without "really" aiming. If you're busy trying to find the aim, you're also not sabotaging yourself with head games.

Now for the bad, CTE is confusing as hell with all the terminology. The book has a glossary and such but the acronyms soon make it feel like your brain is dripping out your ears. I think the book is better than the videos as you can parse it at your own pace, skip around to learn or re-read things that you didn't quite get. I've bought a ton of pool books in the past and I don't feel $100 is out of line. It's a hard cover coffee table style book that is well printed.

Honestly I'm still skeptical of why it works. I have had some success with it, but I won't swear it's CTE or my subconscious making the adjustments. I have no idea how one would tell so I just won't touch the debate on this. I see both sides. It shouldn't work, but for whatever reason I've had some success with it.

The CTE facebook page isn't bad, they answer questions there but as you can guess they keep the discussion under tight surveillance. I've only visited it a couple times and it seemed like there was good discourse going on.

CTE fans sure don't like criticism so it can get them really riled up when any question outside of orthodoxy comes up. This is my main issue with CTE is the woe is me act, it's like delusions of persecution and an under dog complex rolled into some kind of strange brew. I get it, if you get flamed/trolled for long enough you can get quite sensitive. The thing is, they also flame/troll so it's kind of hypocritical to get upset about it. Who knows, the drama was well before my time and to be quite honest it all seems too tiring to bother with. The well has been poisoned for a long time so I doubt good discussion will ever happen, just too much bad blood. You're either a "cultist" or a "knocker" and there is not much room for rational open discussion.
 
This is so true. And it's "some of whom".... not "some of who". 😉😊
No survival skills, not survival skilled .
Joey~ I have no clue why some people are so bad in spelling . This is an English-speaking nation .
 
No survival skills, not survival skilled .
Joey~ I have no clue why some people are so bad in spelling . This is an English-speaking nation .
I can’t spell. Impossible. I tried to learn and flat out gave up. It’s a pain when I can’t use the word I want in certain specific times. My brain doesn’t connect sound to letters in a normal way.

Flip side is I have a amazing memory and numbers are easy.

I’d rather have a more balanced range of skills.

I never knock people who can’t spell, neither can I. It’s not that they are lazy or dumb. They just can’t spell. Who cares?

Best
Fatboy<——also never learned to tie a necktie
 
This is so true. And it's "some of whom".... not "some of who". 😉😊

Well the best way to learn survival is S.E.R.E. Good old Military way, or from person who now teaches those skills post military.

Bsck in day this was stuff we learned in Boy Scouts, before it was Boz n Gwils Scouts.

Now they teach how to deploy Condom right, and where and when to use Plan “B”.🤣
 
Are you looking for a list of alleged facts vs alleged fictions or do you want to create one?
 
CTE fans sure don't like criticism so it can get them really riled up when any question outside of orthodoxy comes up. This is my main issue with CTE is the woe is me act, it's like delusions of persecution and an under dog complex rolled into some kind of strange brew. I get it, if you get flamed/trolled for long enough you can get quite sensitive. The thing is, they also flame/troll so it's kind of hypocritical to get upset about it. Who knows, the drama was well before my time and to be quite honest it all seems too tiring to bother with. The well has been poisoned for a long time so I doubt good discussion will ever happen, just too much bad blood. You're either a "cultist" or a "knocker" and there is not much room for rational open discussion.
It's not a chicken/egg thing on the bullying. Yes, some of the CTE proponents are jaded at this point but they have every right to be. The history of how all this began is on Rec.Sport.Billiards. It DID NOT begin with some aiming system person proponent telling all the scientists to suck it. It began with a man who offered a method of aiming and some took him up on it and found benefit and some didn't and the ones who didn't started heckling and ridiculing the ones who did because the ones who did couldn't answer their "mechanics/geometry" questions satisfactorily.

I tried to foster rational discussion at least a dozen times. I offered, AT MY FULL EXPENSE, to get CTE proponents and skeptics in a room together to work it out and NOT ONCE, NOT EVER did any of the skeptics move the tiniest muscle to take me up on that offer.

I agree that ON THIS FORUM it is unlikely that good discussion will ever actually happen on the subject of CTE. The well has indeed been poisoned and the poisoners are the same few who have dripping their venom into it for 20 years on this subject. I see it more like they are pouring venom into the water supply and CTE practitioners have been trying to pump it out.

IF these few "knockers" would leave then CTE WOULD ABSOLUTELY be discussed in friendly and informative ways among those who like it like any other method that people get into.

I do regret a lot of the hateful things I have said but ONLY because they are not productive not because I didn't actually deeply feel that hatred for the subjects of my statements. And personally I don't want to hate anyone. I just don't and will never understand the level of outright bullying that has been perpetrated by the knockers. Without them you would get your CTE questions answered politely and to the best of their ability of those trying to clarify for those with questions.

So, it's not equal and never will be until they are gone.
 
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