Great shooting. I like the idea of the challenge. Hopefully someone will step up. I doubt anyone will though.
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Great shooting. I like the idea of the challenge. Hopefully someone will step up. I doubt anyone will though.
Pretty much what I have heard is that all the naysayers in this thread cant beat the 4 ball ghost, how can people have so many "answers" and play so bad?
Who's defensive about pivot systems? It's all right here exposed for the world to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSlTkZFC0ao
Where's your video? (let's see who gets defensive now and tries to spin it as usual). None of you guys EVER post anything. 69 posts in this thread of nothing but snide comments and the same BS you've been spreading since RSB. If you have a better method tell us what it is. Let's hear how you used your methods to win "X" amount of money or tournaments and titles.
Pool is outcome based. If the ball goes in the hole that's what matters to a pool player. You always dismiss these types of videos with your "stock" replies anytime someone posts videos of themselves using a pivot method effectively... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNOrp_83RU
Disclaimer: Yes this is in ENGLISH!
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Good shooting. But an aiming system doesn't help you with the cueball on the rail. Your excellent results in that video are not only a testament to your aim, but also to your stroke and fundamentals.
If you want a drill that tests purely a shooter's aim, then a drill should be picked that doesn't require shooting off the rail.
But nevertheless, good shooting.
Why do we have to post videos of us pocketing balls?
Many of us have posted diagrams, cuetable layouts, mathematical graphs, and logical arguments that support what we're trying to get across.
How exactly would us shooting a bunch of balls in the hole help with the argument that CTE isn't an exact and center pocket system (the way most advocates consider it)?
It's because you don't (want to) understand. This isn't about whether you can shoot well with CTE or not. You can play with a windmill stroke like Bustamante, which is considered to be a bad habit, and play well. Look at him! He plays so well, I think everybody should use a windmill stroke! Can't be bad, can it? That's not the point.
I also don't know what you expect from a feel- or ghostball-aimer. Would you be happier if I posted a video of me running 50 balls and say "it's all feel, mates"? Besides, we all know that feel aimers play like shit.
I said defensive about how they work.
That's a nice vanity video, but all it shows is that the guy has a sharp eye. It doesn't show how his system helps him.
I haven't said anything against CTE in this post, but I'll bet your first inclination is to argue with it. That's being defensive.
pj
chgo
I give up!
How can you be so patient?
How can you be so patient?
jsp means shooting off the rail involves major difficulties aside from aiming (it amplifies the effect of imperfect stroke mechanics). If you weren't so defensive that might have been obvious to you - it was to me from the rest of his post. Try reading this part without assuming your precious system is being attacked:
pj
chgo.
I don't expect to convince the True Believers of anything. They don't understand most of this and feel besieged, so they've got their mental walls up. I'm just giving another perspective for other readers who might not be so handicapped.
pj
chgo
I say I'll quit the drama and you sneak up behind me with this cheap shot? "I doubt it". Coming from the guy who has tortured an entire forum mercilessly with insults for as long as the Cte discussion has been happening? Are you afraid I'll steal your thunder and be claimed a bigger putz than you? It'll take years for that to happen. Don't worry, your crown is safe.
Somebody posts about their beliefs in an aiming system and you stir up $hit by saying nothing about the post. You use child psychology to tell us we're not capable of a rational argument. We're defensive and out of control. If we were in control, we would be "exploring how pivot systems work"?!
Do yourself a favor and reread the several paragraphs that you missed in my last post. You very cleverly state I am not discussing the subject, but you add nothing about my post's content. I WAS actually discussing pivot systems. You are not. Make sense? You already knew that, though. You're just pushing buttons and trolling today. LOL This is too easy. Must be something in the AZ water.
Best,
Mike
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This is only one way to use ghost ball and there is a way not to even use contact to contact point aiming.
That is rolling the CB over a point on the table where to the GB would be to make the ball go center pocket or where ever you want. This is Babe Cranfields idea and training using the Arrow helps you to get this concept. The arrows point represent the spot on the table where the CB contact patch needs to be to make the OB go where you want.
And, since their are few CTE'r that like to name drop, unless the names being dropped can match or exceed what Babe Cranfield accomplished in pool, I'm going with his concept.
Hitting that spot on the table will automaticlly make the OB and CB contact points meet, hence there is no need to even consider the CPS once the spot on the table is found.
Finding or seeing a spot on the table is no different then using any other form of visualization and in reality simpler in that there is onl one line to be concerned with and that is the line from the CB to that spot on the table.
Over the years I realized that when the the arguement is no longer focused on facts and details but turns toward trying to discredit the person instead of the person's arguement, the ones attacking the person and not the arguement have lost.
They no longer have any valid facts or details to support their claims any longer and can only justlify their positon by attacking the person.
Kinda like shooting the messenger over the message.
Poor CTE's have been going down that road for awhile, but now, its seems to be they only thing can resort to using.
Oh, GB does work off the rail cause using GB only gives you where to put the CB to make the OB go where you want. Everything else is up to you.
And, I find it interesting that people are not willing to try something that can be made for free, used when needed like on high angle cut shots where the arrow provides a real world point to put the CB for training purposes and then removed for further training.
How cool is a training device that you can use that gives you actually where to put the CB right off the bat. No guess work where to put the CB, so if you miss, you can see how much you were off.
There are so many different types of strokes that have to be made from to many different postions for any system to be able to provide information on how to stand and bridge placement for all shots. One needs learns how to make balls from any stance, bridge placement or not, cue being being jacked up and so on and no system can do this. This is one reason GB is easier to use and learn and can be used on all shots.
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Are you saying that it would help to visualize rolling the cueball up to the ghost ball contact point instead of just setting the ghost ball in position? Possibly from a short distance like 6 inches or so?
Best,
Mike
Me: OK, here's a video of me using CTE: (imagine Video1 here)
You: Dude, you missed half the shots! Clearly you just don't know how to use the system.
Me: No, I did exactly what Stan taught on the DVD. It just doesn't work for all shots unless you incorporate some experiential adjustments or feel. I didn't do that; I just followed the instructions.
You: That's just wrong. If you know the system well, the shots drop like water runs downhill.
Me: I know it as Stan taught it. Care to ask me any questions about the video?
You: You may have studied the video like some academic, but you have to take it to the table.
Me: I did. For many hours. I still miss lots of shots with it; many more than with my normal method of aiming.
You: That's what I really asked for in the first place. Let's see a video of you shooting with your aiming method.
Me: I use Method XYZ, the same method Stoney Pro uses. Here's Stoney runnning over 100 balls in the world 14.1 championship. (Video2)
You: I said you, not Stoney Pro.
Me: I thought you wanted to compare aiming systems and their potential. Stevie Moore is a good representative for CTE/Pro-One. Stoney Pro is a good representative for Method XYZ. Stoney beats Stevie more than Stevie beats Stoney. Do you think that proves something?
You: That's not what I meant; that doesn't prove anything. I can play better than you can. I've shown my video; where is yours?
Me: OK, here's Video3 of me using Method XYZ and missing only 25% of the time instead of 50% of the time (as I did in my CTE video). See, I shoot better using Method XYZ.
You: Dude, you're just not very good. I'm way better.
Me: True. So?
_________________________________________________Edit: "You" here doesn't mean eezbank, it means any of the CTE proponents who keep clamoring for anyone who raises questions about CTE or points out any limitations of CTE to post a video of himself. "Me" here doesn't mean AtLarge, it means anyone who has given CTE a good look and still prefers something else, or anyone who expresses certain doubts about CTE.
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Good shooting. But an aiming system doesn't help you with the cueball on the rail. Your excellent results in that video are not only a testament to your aim, but also to your stroke and fundamentals.
Hey jsp! First of all thanks to you for your "good shooting".
Sure you are right.
The ability to play good pool needs more than just aiming!
You have to have a good alignment, a solid straight stroke (if not work on it) being able to handle throw, you need to have good fundamentals, theoretical knowledge about the game, mental strength...and a lot more. Let's say it is pretty much like a puzzle. You need every single little piece to have the picture completed.
Imagine the puzzle to consist out of 50 pieces- but they are not all of the same size. Some of them are bigger than others. I think the pieces on which you find the words "precise alignment" , "consistent aiming" and "handling throw" are written on their backsides would be among the bigger ones!
I don’t want to convince anyone who is not interested in CTE/ProOne/90/90 or my system. I can only tell you that I had the other fundamentals apart from CTE/ProOne and my system before. I played around with several other systems before (ghost ball, SAM, Joe Tuckers system, the ultimate system, perfect aim, ferule aiming just to name some. All of them have their good points, but I never shot as good as now! And the miracle is “CONSISTENTLY”! I mean I play pool for 24 years now and have some 100+ runs in straight pool (high score 132) in my pocket- but never felt so sure to make difficult balls now with consistence.
Sure, for easy balls I don’t need any system, but for difficult ones it helps a lot. By the way because of your confidence that rises because you know that you will make this difficult ball 8 times out of ten, using the system, your stroke is a lot smoother and straighter too! You will see-you can ban the word “choking” from your vocabulary.
I still I have to learn a lot about pool. I think you will learn as long as you play (in case you are open to new things...
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If you want a drill that tests purely a shooter's aim, then a drill should be picked that doesn't require shooting off the rail.
What kind of drill would you suggest?
I think it should consist out of at least 15-20 shots with different angles.
Distance between the balls should be not to close…
Looking forward to your reply!
Best from Germany!
I think your drill is fine, just move the CB off the rail so that it's not a hindrance when shooting.
If I miss a shot with the CB on the rail, did I miss because of an error due to aiming or an error due to the fact that shooting off the rail magnifies by a large amount any of my stroke flaws?
I can shoot a 5-foot straight in shot all day long, but put the CB on the rail and my missing percentage increases significantly. And i'm pretty sure it's not due to aiming errors.