CTP2CTP Aiming

LAMas said:
Mike,

If you use your cue, pivot from CP2CP to center CB with the pivot point being your grip hand - further back the better. This will not be exactly parallel but 1 or 2 degrees to the outside of parallel. This error is slight when the CB and OB are close and increases as the separation increases. You know.

To partially eliminate this angle, first move your grip about the distance from the CP2CP line the distance from there to the center of the CB and then move your bridge until the tip of your cue is at the center of the CB.

Have fun and be well.
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Big E,

It took me a few racks to get to where I could figure out the pivot. It changed with each contact point and I had to actually just look at the object ball only, to stop my brain from wanting to steer the cue. :grin-square: If I brought the pocket into the equation, I spasmed and compensated to try to make the shot.

After that, I noticed I started pocketing the balls dead center in the hole. I stopped aiming and trusted the overlap. I got the same feeling when I started to trust CTE and my alignment. Strange, but the balls seem to be tracking to the holes pretty well.

I'll try some more tomorrow. You're on to something here. It's simple, diagrammable, and I didn't have to buy a dvd. :grin: Or, is the rest of the info on your new, cheap video? :grin: Thanks!

Best,
Mike
 
Mike,

I give this information that worked for me freely. I have learned a lot from you with your clarifications, shop talk and advise on all the other aiming threads.

I am but an engineer and no one that I shoot with care to learn how to aim and none can or will tell me how they aim.

Here, on this Forum, I can at least socialize/share my thoughts as do you.

Thanks and be well.
 
LAMas said:
Mike,

I give this information that worked for me freely. I have learned a lot from you with your clarifications, shop talk and advise on all the other aiming threads.

I am but an engineer and no one that I shoot with care to learn how to aim and none can or will tell me how they aim.

Here, on this Forum, I can at least socialize/share my thoughts as do you.

Thanks and be well.
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Too bad we're located quite a distance apart. Few players where I'm at are students of the game. Sharing info with pros is mainly done over the phone for me and some is secondhand and anecdotal.

Anymore, I just hear about who got dumped, who's in which corporation, and all the dirt that's cringe worthy. The threads I could start on AZ...Not! :grin: I'll take it to my grave.

Best,
Mike
 
LAMas said:
Mike,

I give this information that worked for me freely. I have learned a lot from you with your clarifications, shop talk and advise on all the other aiming threads.

I am but an engineer and no one that I shoot with care to learn how to aim and none can or will tell me how they aim.

Here, on this Forum, I can at least socialize/share my thoughts as do you.

Thanks and be well.
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I worked a little more with the mirror image system and had to make a few adjustments to get it to work. With a little practice, it could probably be pretty accurate.

I also worked with the system you spoke about and tried to zero in with the pivot as the adjustment. I found when I used a hip pivot, like in 90-90 aiming, I could see the shot line after I pivoted. I like this and keeps me from trying to steer the stroke on some shots.

I think I'm going to work with your technique some more. The balls are dropping off of the table and the alignment feels right on. No need to compensate or reset very often.

I've used it for all angles and all distances and it seems to be vey accurate. I pivot slightly less or slightly farther, past center to get BHE. I'll keep you posted as I work some more with it. Thanks, for the help.

All you need is a name for it now. :smile:

Best,
Mike
 
HawaiianEye said:
Reading this may enlighten some people. Others will be skeptical. The choice is yours. Use it if it works for you, skip it if it doesn't. I'm only passing on information that I think actually helps ME in the understanding of the game.

http://www.saluc.com/html/billiard/pdf/tucker_system.pdf

Aloha.
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Thanks,
Great pedigree.
I saw that years ago in a Pool Mag, but I had trouble imagining the line going into the CB. That's when I started to look at equal opposites.
 
" I pivot slightly less or slightly farther, past center to get BHE. I'll keep you posted as I work some more with it."
Mikjary

I like that/your way of applying BHE.

CP2CP is a victim of CIT, but on many shots for a given distance from the CB to the OB, that 1 or 2 degree pivot "error" from true parallel compensates for the original CIT "error". Of course hitting the center of the CB still imparts CIT, but you are now aiming at a slightly larger angle.

I know that you know that and why you are having fun.

Be well.
 
LAMas said:
" I pivot slightly less or slightly farther, past center to get BHE. I'll keep you posted as I work some more with it."
Mikjary

I like that/your way of applying BHE.

CP2CP is a victim of CIT, but on many shots for a given distance from the CB to the OB, that 1 or 2 degree pivot "error" from true parallel compensates for the original CIT "error". Of course hitting the center of the CB still imparts CIT, but you are now aiming at a slightly larger angle.

I know that you know that and why you are having fun.

Be well.
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I think the adjustment with the pivot is compensating nicely for the undercut. In time, a player could probably eliminate the pivot as they go down on the shot to the table. This would be an estimate. The physical changing pivot is no estimate and a solid variable physical technique.

I worked a little with this a while back. You posted about it before, but I didn't give it a long enough look. My loss.

Yes, it's fun when the balls start going in. :)

Best,
Mike
 
cutemonster said:
what is CIT?
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Depending upon who you are talking to, it could have several names: contact induced throw, collision induced throw, or cut induced throw.

You can find quite a bit about it if you do a search here or on the internet using one of those terms.

Good luck.

Aloha.
 
peppersauce said:
This is how I've aimed since the first time I touched a cue. I've spent some time learning other aiming systems but not to see where I need to hit to make the ball. That's the easy part. The hard part, at least for me, is getting my body and vision center properly aligned and delivering a stroke that sends the CB down the path I know it should go to make the ball. If I could do that everytime I wouldn't miss.

I don't know what you mean by aiming with your tip though. I use a touch of whatever I need to make the ball to get an angle on the next ball to get on the next ball, and so on.
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Good point (pun).

If you are asking me, while standing, place your entire cue on the line from the contact point on the CB to the contact point on the OB - with your tip pointed through the CB (at the contact point on the other side of the CB). Then drop down onto the shot with your cue still on that line.
I hope this helps.
Be well.
 
Mikjary said:
I think the adjustment with the pivot is compensating nicely for the undercut. In time, a player could probably eliminate the pivot as they go down on the shot to the table. This would be an estimate. The physical changing pivot is no estimate and a solid variable physical technique.

I worked a little with this a while back. You posted about it before, but I didn't give it a long enough look. My loss.

Yes, it's fun when the balls start going in. :)

Best,
Mike
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Yes, Initially, I tried CP2CP without using my cue, but parallax view and vision center errors got in my way so I resorted to using the cue.

I don't use the cue on what to me are cinch/dead in shots.

Be well.
 
LAMas said:
Good point (pun).

If you are asking me, while standing, place your entire cue on the line from the contact point on the CB to the contact point on the OB - with your tip pointed through the CB (at the contact point on the other side of the CB). Then drop down onto the shot with your cue still on that line.
I hope this helps.
Be well.
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That is the way I do it, too. It is easier to see the line and drop down with your cue already in place than it is to get down and try to fidget to find the line that you saw standing up.

Aloha.
 
LAMas said:
Yes, Initially, I tried CP2CP without using my cue, but parallax view and vision center errors got in my way so I resorted to using the cue.

I don't use the cue on what to me are cinch/dead in shots.

Be well.
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The vision center errors show up when I pivot to center cue ball. As I said before, I use a hip pivot instead of just moving my back arm. This allows me to keep my head and body aligned with the shot line.

If my head position is off where my vision center is looking across the shot line instead of directly down it, the pivoting makes it obviously much worse. This is a definite plus for my game. I constantly have to keep my dominant eye in the correct position with my PSR. This can take a lot of focus away from my game and cause early fatigue.

This is probably the best method I've found to date to keeping my dominant eye in the dominant position. If it's not, the shot looks so far off I'd never pull the trigger. So, not only can your method be simply learned and applied, it helps me with my vision center issues. :thumbup:

My stroke gets laser straight when I line up visually correct. On those days that my stroke is all over the place, I struggle with my alignment to keep it straight. I used to think it was a physical problem that came from flaws in my execution, but it turned out to be 95% visually induced by my subconscious trying to steer my stroke.

Best,
Mike
 
Mike,

It is amazing how much it isn't the aim but the stroke that causes errors in the shot.

I realize that it is my wrist that I cannot control in my delivery. So lately, I have let the cue go on the final forward stroke and catching it with my finger tips before it hits the table. This also keeps the cue travelling in a straight line rather than dipping.

Be well.
 
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