Cue ball flies of the break

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michaelsu123

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Ok pretty big problem here. I’ve been trying the svb type break where he squats the cue ball and I believe I’m doing everything right, choking up on cue, elevate but not alot, aim bottom to find centre ball and making contact at centre or just a tad above, extend cue back and follow through. Now the cue ball literally hops off the tip and contacts the 1 ball in the air, it literally pops like half a metre high, not to mention the other times flying straight over the rack and off the table. The cue ball seems to not have any contact with the felt and flies straight towards the 1 ball. I’ve lowered my elevation but am still suffering. What seems to be the problem? I use a taom 2.0 tip
 
Need more info or video. Meanwhile, it could be a number of things not the least of which is you're actually scooping. The other side is you're a lumber jack and way over hitting it.
 
Is it a different cueball that is not part of the set? sometimes a lighter cue ball may have that effect
 
A monster break does 9 out of 10 players no good. It gives them delusional thoughts that they play SVB's speed. In reality, they can't make a tough shot, don't know when to play safe, can't bank, give up BIH kicking and can't run out, all which makes them a victim. Stick to a medium speed break with control. Want to up your game? Learn how to play 3 cushion.
 
michaelsu123 said:
Ok pretty big problem here. I’ve been trying the svb type break where he squats the cue ball and I believe I’m doing everything right, choking up on cue, elevate but not alot, aim bottom to find centre ball and making contact at centre or just a tad above, extend cue back and follow through. Now the cue ball literally hops off the tip and contacts the 1 ball in the air, it literally pops like half a metre high, not to mention the other times flying straight over the rack and off the table. The cue ball seems to not have any contact with the felt and flies straight towards the 1 ball. I’ve lowered my elevation but am still suffering. What seems to be the problem? I use a taom 2.0 tip
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A good (and effective) break shot is not just about power or how hard you can hit the cue ball. It is about control, first and foremost. I suspect your break is an ineffective one and doesn't win games for you. Try hitting the ball not so hard and figure out where to aim on the one ball and where best to place your cue ball prior to breaking. The object of a good break shot is to make a ball and have a shot at the one ball. If you can do that most of the time you will have a big edge over many of your opponents. You are now in control of the rack.

P.S. You aren't Shane and never will be. Just be you and you'll do just fine.
 
michaelsu123 said:
Ok pretty big problem here. I’ve been trying the svb type break where he squats the cue ball and I believe I’m doing everything right, choking up on cue, elevate but not alot, aim bottom to find centre ball and making contact at centre or just a tad above, extend cue back and follow through. Now the cue ball literally hops off the tip and contacts the 1 ball in the air, it literally pops like half a metre high, not to mention the other times flying straight over the rack and off the table. The cue ball seems to not have any contact with the felt and flies straight towards the 1 ball. I’ve lowered my elevation but am still suffering. What seems to be the problem? I use a taom 2.0 tip
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Flatten out your stroke. Sounds like you are driving the cue ball down in to the slate which is causing it to glide above the cloth.
 
And as an interesting bit of research...try hitting the break at about 40% power, with the butt end jacked up a lot, like 25-35deg. You will need to tweak your speed, but find the point where the cb hits the head ball above its center.

You'll get a very different reaction out of the shot, compared to a flat hit and due to the relatively low power, nearly Impossible to jump off the table.

And also, I'd imagine the problem you describe in the OP is the result of the above-center hit I've suggested combined with excessive power. You will see the (strike point) issue a bit better at the slow speed.

So...the cb leaving the table on the way to the head ball is not bad per se, rather it needs to be tweaked to have the contact point flatter as power increases.

You can see on a well-worn cloth where the cb leaves/ returns to the table. It is basically unavoidable at force, one just needs to tweak where the bounce bounces.
 
It sounds like the OP is scooping the CB, not jumping it in the traditional sense.

Years ago, I saw one player at the next table down the line get hit in the back of the head, when the breaking player scooped the CB on the break, it went airborne, flew completely over the rack, and hit him in the lower head/upper neck area.

The takeaway as other's said, your'e not Shane. Find your limit, and stay under it in competition. In practice, you can try to push it further (like you are now).
 
I appreciate all your opinions and will take them into consideration. I’m definitely not trying to be like svb but am just trying to up my breaking techniques. I can assure that I was definitely not scooping the CB but hitting above equator, I’ve tried breaking softer which had better results but still too much air time. Maybe a leather tip will help me out so will see how that goes.
 
If I am scooping the CB I believe it will feel more like a miscue, I’m definitely hitting the ball full and probably just need to work on the stroke and delivery
 
If you are 100% you are not scooping (we have no idea of your level), maybe try using a carefully positioned striped ball as the CB, and after the break, see where the chalk mark landed. Make adjustments to your approach until you get the chalk mark where you want.
 
I believe there are also some slow motion front, side, and rear views of Shane's break on youtube. I think someone made them of a few of the big breakers a few years ago. They may help you copy his technique better.
 
Dr Dave has a great example of SVB break on his website. Slow motion vid with commentary. Sounds like you need to get the butt of your cue lower. You are turning the break shot in to too much of a jump shot.
 
michaelsu123 said:
I appreciate all your opinions and will take them into consideration. I’m definitely not trying to be like svb but am just trying to up my breaking techniques. I can assure that I was definitely not scooping the CB but hitting above equator, I’ve tried breaking softer which had better results but still too much air time. Maybe a leather tip will help me out so will see how that goes.
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In the Monk's book about 8 ball, he said hit the CB with one tip of draw with a slight upward follow type stroke. It gets the ball really popping the head ball, hops about 6-8" then lies dead in the middle of the table. If you think about it though, what is one tip of draw with an upward follow stroke? It's center ball mainly with a level-ish stroke.

I think what really gets the "pop" is a fast hit, not a power hit, but a fast hit. It's much easier to control a fast hit than a power hit if that makes sense. "Power" tightens your muscles and get inadvertent action on the CB, "Fastness" keeps your muscles fluid and avoids inadvertent action on the CB.
 
boogieman said:
It's much easier to control a fast hit than a power hit if that makes sense. "Power" tightens your muscles and get inadvertent action on the CB, "Fastness" keeps your muscles fluid and avoids inadvertent action on the CB.
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I think "powerful" and "fast" are the same thing in pool - but thinking of it the way you do might make a difference in your stroke. Pool is as much mental as physical.

pj
chgo
 
mark187 said:
You shouldn't be breaking harder than you can control. You're definitely not in control if the cue ball is flying off the the table half a metre high.
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michaelsu123 said:
Ok pretty big problem here. I’ve been trying the svb type break where he squats the cue ball and I believe I’m doing everything right, choking up on cue, elevate but not alot, aim bottom to find centre ball and making contact at centre or just a tad above, extend cue back and follow through. Now the cue ball literally hops off the tip and contacts the 1 ball in the air, it literally pops like half a metre high, not to mention the other times flying straight over the rack and off the table. The cue ball seems to not have any contact with the felt and flies straight towards the 1 ball. I’ve lowered my elevation but am still suffering. What seems to be the problem? I use a taom 2.0 tip
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If you are actually trying copy SVB’s break, then you should see that he doesn’t hit the cueball at an angle. He drops that elbow and strikes as level as possible.
 

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The cueball literally skips down the cloth 2 or 3 times on an even level cuestroke. If you break on a home table,you can see this consistently on the cloth marks.

If your cueball is bouncing on the rise with high english, it will easily bounce off the rack.

SVB type break is really about tempo of the hit and technique. He's not breaking any harder than most pros.
 
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