Cue butt with a slight roll?

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I have a Wes Hunter cue that I got from a friend of mine and the shafts are straight, but when you roll the butt of the cue on a pool table the joint pin end raises up slightly (not bad, but it does lift off the table).

My question is do you think this slight roll in the butt of the cue would affect the play of the cue?

The cue was well used when I got it and I cleaned up the shafts and sealed them and i'm really surprised at how well it plays especially since i'm used to playing with low deflection shafts (predator or OB-1). This cue hits better than a lot of cues i've tried with regular shafts and the butt isn't dead straight.

James
 
Probably won't affect play much if any, but if you're like me it'll bug you to know it's there. I don't know what the cue looks like but sometimes if there is inlay around the joint collar that has started to rise that might be all it is.
 
Ktown D said:
The only reason it would effect the play of the cue is between your ears.
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Exactly. And i have found a solution. When i buy a cue, I insist on dead straight. Once i own it, I never roll it again.
 
Nostroke said:
Exactly. And i have found a solution. When i buy a cue, I insist on dead straight. Once i own it, I never roll it again.
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That is genius, if you rolled it everytime you went out to play you'd become so paranoid it would kill your game.

The human mind is a complicated thing.
 
SCCues said:
I have a Wes Hunter cue that I got from a friend of mine and the shafts are straight, but when you roll the butt of the cue on a pool table the joint pin end raises up slightly (not bad, but it does lift off the table).

My question is do you think this slight roll in the butt of the cue would affect the play of the cue?

The cue was well used when I got it and I cleaned up the shafts and sealed them and i'm really surprised at how well it plays especially since i'm used to playing with low deflection shafts (predator or OB-1). This cue hits better than a lot of cues i've tried with regular shafts and the butt isn't dead straight.

James
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James, I doubt that it will effect play at all. The Problem is most likely the A-joint and if that is the problem it can be repaired. The handle can be removed and replaced, however, I would not recommend it unless you are having it completely refinished.

Take care
 
manwon said:
James, I doubt that it will effect play at all. The Problem is most likely the A-joint and if that is the problem it can be repaired. The handle can be removed and replaced, however, I would not recommend it unless you are having it completely refinished.

Take care
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If the butt of the cue isn't dead straight, but it plays great how much should it affect the selling price for a used cue? Most people want a cue to be dead straight and I'm in that category also, but if you didn't roll this cue on a table you'd never know it wasn't dead straight by the way it looks and plays.

James
 
IIRC, Southwests did this for a while. My second one would raise the pin when rolled very, very slightly. I heard that there were others, also. Didn't affect play or sale, when I sold it.
 
SCCues said:
If the butt of the cue isn't dead straight, but it plays great how much should it affect the selling price for a used cue? Most people want a cue to be dead straight and I'm in that category also, but if you didn't roll this cue on a table you'd never know it wasn't dead straight by the way it looks and plays.

James
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Tough call, for somebody who intends to play with it, probably not much, but for a collector, could be a big factor.

I was at the Open last week and a dealer was rolling two butts on the table for a buyer. They had the slightest wobble and the buyer was not happy.
 
SCCues said:
If the butt of the cue isn't dead straight, but it plays great how much should it affect the selling price for a used cue? Most people want a cue to be dead straight and I'm in that category also, but if you didn't roll this cue on a table you'd never know it wasn't dead straight by the way it looks and plays.

James
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James an honest seller would make sure that the cue is properly described. Yes the problem would certainly effect the resale value of the cue, how much depends on the buyer and what they plan to use it for. If they want it for a player, they may not care, howver, as a collectable the value will be lower.

If that is a concern, send it back to the cue maker and have it refinished and fixed.

Take care
 
SCCues said:
If the butt of the cue isn't dead straight, but it plays great how much should it affect the selling price for a used cue? Most people want a cue to be dead straight and I'm in that category also, but if you didn't roll this cue on a table you'd never know it wasn't dead straight by the way it looks and plays.

James
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It is great to have a dead straight cue. However, I almost never see a completely straight cue. The last 4-5 Predators I have had, all have some kind of roll-mostly the shafts, but 1-2 had a little roll in the butt, if you looked close enough. I roll friend's cues once in a while, just to make sure it is not just me, and most of their cues also have some kind of roll. Many times it may just be a taper roll, but it is still a roll. Unfortunately, having a cue not being straight, especially in the butt, will hurt the resale price of a cue. It sucks selling a cue with a roll in the butt, because you know you will not get what you would had if it would have been straight. You might know it doesn't affect the play of the cue at all, but most people hear the butt rolls and they either lose interest or will not pay you what they would have.

I think you answered your own question about the playability of the cue. You said it plays good, and that is all that should matter. Or maybe your stroke is not straight and the cue evens it out!:thumbup:
 
Ktown D said:
The only reason it would effect the play of the cue is between your ears.
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True true, I play with a Schuler and the shaft is not straight but it does not bother me one bit. You'd never know it unless you rolled the cue but it plays lights out to me so who cares... Ktown has this one nailed, it's all in your head IMHO
 
I now play with an OB Cue with an OB-1 shaft, but before that, I played with a cue where the butt wobbled something fierce. I never thought it affected my game one bit, and it was a pretty decent cue. But, I won it in a raffle for a $5 raffle ticket. :) I played with it for a few years and still have it in my case as a backup.
 
SCCues said:
If the butt of the cue isn't dead straight, but it plays great how much should it affect the selling price for a used cue? Most people want a cue to be dead straight and I'm in that category also, but if you didn't roll this cue on a table you'd never know it wasn't dead straight by the way it looks and plays.

James
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I am pretty meticulous about checking for warpage when I sell a cue, and I've often said in ads something like "shafts are dead straight, but the handle is out of round an 1/8th inch" or something like that. Most buyers are, in fact , relieved to know that I've checked the cue over and gave an honest assessment of it's condition, because a lot of sellers have no clue how to check if a cue is straight or not and end up selling a cue like yours as "dead straight". The dealers and re-sellers won't generally buy a slightly warped cue unless it's highly collectible or an antique, but most players are not going to be put off much with small warp in the handle section.

If the warp is in the forearm, I would consider that a more serious problem than a problem with the "A" joint alignment or warp in the handle.

Warpage in the shafts affect play a whole lot more than the handle. I can't play with a shaft that's warped very much at all. However, if a cue has a decent, straight shaft, it seems to me it can have a warped handle and play pretty much like a straight cue.

It would be fun to find out if a warped handle affects play at all I suppose.

Chris
 
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