Cue Case ID's Needed Please Part 1 of 2

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I posted a thread asking for some ID help for these two cases. The first set of pictures is a potential "It's George" original case, the second set of pictures are for a case similar looking to a "Fellini" or a "Gore" case. Both cases have been looked at and tested and they are both confirmed as genuine leather. I now was able to get a hold of a camera to take pictures. So please take a look and give me your advice as to what you may think the brand/maker of these cases may be worth. Your help and advice will be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance.
 

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Well, the strap looks genuine, they did have such carrying straps at one time.

I am surprised to see no logo on the bottom of the case though. I don't know what to say about that. I don't remember seeing one unmarked, but that does not mean they were node made that way. I just don't know.

Looks like a vinyl case to me...but I could be wrong of course.

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I have seen some that wore not marked but IDK if they wore real and walked away from them
So to your question i have no idea but lets see what some other guys think here

Good luck

Chris
 
Hmmm we're did you get that case ? Also it looks like a knock off. Take a pic of the inside. And is that leather ? .
 
Yes, I had it tested to be leather, I also had the same thought that it looked like vinyl, but it is indeed leather. Here are some pictures of the inside
 

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I do leatherwork. There is no "test" for leather.

You said it was confirmed as "genuine" leather. This term actually often is used for composite materials made of scrap leather fibers. In other words, facke leather. And yes, it smells like leather.

Later you say it is leather. That can be perceived as a contradiction of the first statement.

Did he actually use the term "genuine" leather, and if he did, did you ask him what that meant?

The International Union of Leather Technicians and Chemists has developed standards and tests for leather. It would involve a sample being taken and that sample would be destroyed. It would be expensive, and no cobbler has the capability to perform these tests in his shop. There is no one test for leather. If you showed it to him, he rendered an opinion. If he looked at it under magnification, felt it, poked it, and other such things he really was making a statement of his opinion.

It can be extremely difficult to discern some imitation leathers from actual leather, even for an expert, even in person. I am merely giving my impression of what I see in a picture.

I will be interested in seeing more opinions about this case. In particular I am interested if anybody is aware of It's George cases without a logo.

Personally, I have been studying case making and leatherwork intensely and do not recall unmarked It's George cases, leather or otherwise.

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I was surprised it didn't have a logo either. Because of the strap I assumed it was an It's George. After all, why would someone look to make the effort of "knocking off" an It's George when in reality, it would'nt fetch big money anyway as compared to knocking off a Fellini. With regard to the leather, your right. My expert touched it and poked it and made her opinion. I'm curious to know myself if I've been screwed.
 
To test the authenticity of the leather, I performed a fire test. The fire test is if it's authentic leather or composite leather, the material with smolder when put to a flame. If it's vinyl it will burn quickly. The results....the material lit up like a rocket. So assuming it's an "It's George" and it is vinyl, Does any body know what this case is worth?
 
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To test the authenticity of the leather, I performed a fire test. The fire test is if it's authentic leather or composite leather, the material with smolder when put to a flame. If it's vinyl it will burn quickly. The results....the material lit up like a rocket. So assuming it's an "It's George" and it is vinyl, Does any body know what this case is worth?
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Well holy crap! Yeah...that's one way to do it. :eek:


Value? How bad did you torch it? :yikes:

Anyway, without a logo on it I guess it's worth less than an It's George case. I dunno.
 
Snipped a tiny piece of the inner lining of the pouch, practically impossible to notice unless you're opening up the pouch, flip it inside out, and then examine each side. I was very careful with it. Now also there was a possibility that I heard that maybe even the chemicals on the "leather" would make it go up in flame like that. Reason I say that is because close to the end of the "flame test" part of it was smoldering..
 
Some leathers have plastics bonded on top of them. Then there are treated leathers that can have flammable stuff, but I really think it is vinyl.

Leather cases like that with a George logo sell over $150, usually more like $200-$250. Sometimes more depending on age, type of leather, and condition.

Without a logo, and likely being vinyl, and not having a strap of matching material (I thought only the It's George soft cases had that strap). I dunno...maybe &125 or $150 range for the right buyer?

Just guessing. As I said I don't like to mess with the value issue. But I figure I have come along with you this far n the thread I should say what I think.


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Interesting also is the fact that the latch is made such that it would have accepted a locking mechanism on the fold down part, but is not locking. I have an almost identical It's George vinyl snakeskin print case, even the same color, but mine is marked "It's George V". It sure does look like an It's George. If I remember correctly, the very early ones didn't have the white edges sewn at the top of the liner either.
 
What really bothers me is that strap. It just doesn't look like it belongs on that case. Every George photo that I've looked at, NOT ONE has that cloth type of strap, whether the case was vinyl or leather. Your thoughts PLEASE. Thank you.
 
christine15 said:
What really bothers me is that strap. It just doesn't look like it belongs on that case. Every George photo that I've looked at, NOT ONE has that cloth type of strap, whether the case was vinyl or leather. Your thoughts PLEASE. Thank you.
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I only ever remember seeing those types of straps on their soft cases, not their hard cases.

Then there is the matter of the latch with no lock, I never saw one without a lock on a George case.

Also, no logo.

But it looks like a nice case in nice condition.

There were some "transition periods" where they went to Brunswick then back to the original owner/maker. That's when we see things like logo changes etc. I guess it's possible such a case could have been from such a transition period, but I have no idea how to verify such a thing unless somebody is aware of such non-logo cases and can tell us about it or show us something about it.


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I just got off the phone with Omega Billiards. After reviewing the photos I sent him, he told me it is definately a It's George. Also, he said it is not uncommon to have no inscription on the bottom. He has five. As for the non matching strap, either someone replaced it or it was made overseas that way.
 
I disagree..... I think it's a knock off.

The strap is wrong for that type of case. That strap came on the soft sided cheap 1x2 george cases. The latch is also wrong. The fact that it's vinyl also makes me think it's a knock off. Yes, there were vinyl george cases made but they were marked as vinyl.

I don't doubt that mike has several like this, but that doesn't make them authentic either.

I was offered 4 at the super billiards expo that were just like this one that were clear fakes when I had them in my hands. I think there are many more of these fakes than people realize.
 
christine15 said:
I just got off the phone with Omega Billiards. After reviewing the photos I sent him, he told me it is definately a It's George. Also, he said it is not uncommon to have no inscription on the bottom. He has five. As for the non matching strap, either someone replaced it or it was made overseas that way.
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So it's a newer version.

That would explain a lot. Maybe we can see some pics of other such cases at their web site?

EDIT: I just checked and all the It's George cases on their site have locks.


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I agree with Marcus

The case is a fake. No one puts a strap like that on a hard case. I used to have a IT's George eelskin case. You got burnt ....
 
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