drivermaker
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larrynj1 said:
Do Kings get itches, and if so, do they have personal "scratchers" to do that for them?
Cue Collectors Association ?????
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Do Kings get itches, and if so, do they have personal "scratchers" to do that for them?
Maybe I was too optimistic. I thought we could get together cue collectors to display our collection, do a sort of "what's hot", interview a different cue maker monthly, discuss what makes a cue collectable, exchange knowledge and help folks who are interested in collecting, basically make it an open friendly forum for people of like interest to gather and gain knowledge.
Evidently this isn't going to happen. Joe, I wouldn't call it ego, I would call it insecurity. I could care less if people like my cues, I like my cues (this is not meant to be offensive). If they deserve to be in the gallery fine, if not fine. I don't need others to tell me if my cue is "worthy" or not. I'm the one who bought it, not them.
I just wanted to do something fun, but it seems others insecurities always seem to get in the way. Like I said, maybe I'm too optimistic.
I'll be more than willing to discuss my thoughts on how it should run and what I think the gallery should be and how to make sure everyone is accepted, but let's not let this turn into a big pissin' contest over "I know more than you, so you should listen to me" or "I have more money than you to by these cues, so obviosly I'm smarter than you". These attitudes just plain suck.
Sorry if I offended anybody, I'm too old and seen too much (especially in the last year) in my military career, people just need to get over themselves and learn how to have a good time.
Jim
Evidently this isn't going to happen. Joe, I wouldn't call it ego, I would call it insecurity. I could care less if people like my cues, I like my cues (this is not meant to be offensive). If they deserve to be in the gallery fine, if not fine. I don't need others to tell me if my cue is "worthy" or not. I'm the one who bought it, not them.
I just wanted to do something fun, but it seems others insecurities always seem to get in the way. Like I said, maybe I'm too optimistic.
I'll be more than willing to discuss my thoughts on how it should run and what I think the gallery should be and how to make sure everyone is accepted, but let's not let this turn into a big pissin' contest over "I know more than you, so you should listen to me" or "I have more money than you to by these cues, so obviosly I'm smarter than you". These attitudes just plain suck.
Sorry if I offended anybody, I'm too old and seen too much (especially in the last year) in my military career, people just need to get over themselves and learn how to have a good time.
Jim
It should be a gallery of cues by collectors.
No rules. It's an exhibit by pool cue enthusiasts not makers, sellers, dealers or promoters. It's an exhibit by people who love cues.
Only pool can this become a pizzing contest.
Not in pen collection or knife collection exhibit.
jhendri2 said:
Jim,
I can agree that ego, and insecurity could be interchangable here. Believe me I know the feeling when you get a cue, and its "the one" or it exceeded your expectaions and its a feeling almost on a cosmic plane. That is a feeling that everyone who buys pool cues should have. The best feeling I get as a dealer is when I sell someone a cue and it's the nutz to them. I don't care if I make 10, 20, 50 or 100 bucks on the cue. But you can tell when you lit someone's fire, I am sure Blud could agree, its not my satisfaction, but the consumers that is important.
I think a cue collection club is a great idea and shouldn't be abandoned to quickly. But its alot of work. If I wasn't busy trying to build a primary business I would really like to help. But its the same reason I can't drop everything and jump on the cue dealers association. Its very time consuming.
Everything seems to be very cliquish lately. You will always have the have's and the have nots, and their attitudes.
Joe
drivermaker
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larrynj1 said:
You're just quicker than the road runner today...got me to LMAO with that one too.
Joe,
You sound like and good guy and whether you realize it or not you're helping. I'm in no way abandoning this. I love to collect cues. Like you, I used to be a dealer in Germany about 12 years ago, until the AF sent me to Sdan Antonio. I can't count the number of cues I've had. I just remember my favorites. I'm no longer interested in selling, just accumilating.
Now, back to the "gallery", I still think Celtic has it right on. Different levels of membership:
Bronze - interested but not yet puirchased a level 3 or above "gallery" cue
Silver - Owns a 1 -2 Level 3+ "gallery" cues
Gold - 3-10 level 3+ "gallery" cues
Platinum - 11+ level 3+ "gallery" cues
Dealer - self-explanitory - serves only in an advisory capacity
Cue Maker - Self-explanitory - also serves in an advisory capacity, but...if interviewed for the monthly Cue Maker section...he can display current cues for sale
All cues are included in the gallery, members only vote if a general consensus is not arrived at on which gallery the cues belong in.
If the cue is not a 1/1, only one example is permitted in the gallery, but the other owners receive the same status, ie. we only need to vote once on a Richard Black Hoppe Cue, but everyone who owns this cue will be permitted the membership level this cue is worth.
I think we should have the members who own cues from the cuemakers do the interviews ie. I own a couple of Wes Hunters cues, I should do the interview. If more than one person owns a cue makers (which will most likely happen) we have either a contest or a vote to see who gets to do the interview.
Just some more thoughts.
Jim
You sound like and good guy and whether you realize it or not you're helping. I'm in no way abandoning this. I love to collect cues. Like you, I used to be a dealer in Germany about 12 years ago, until the AF sent me to Sdan Antonio. I can't count the number of cues I've had. I just remember my favorites. I'm no longer interested in selling, just accumilating.
Now, back to the "gallery", I still think Celtic has it right on. Different levels of membership:
Bronze - interested but not yet puirchased a level 3 or above "gallery" cue
Silver - Owns a 1 -2 Level 3+ "gallery" cues
Gold - 3-10 level 3+ "gallery" cues
Platinum - 11+ level 3+ "gallery" cues
Dealer - self-explanitory - serves only in an advisory capacity
Cue Maker - Self-explanitory - also serves in an advisory capacity, but...if interviewed for the monthly Cue Maker section...he can display current cues for sale
All cues are included in the gallery, members only vote if a general consensus is not arrived at on which gallery the cues belong in.
If the cue is not a 1/1, only one example is permitted in the gallery, but the other owners receive the same status, ie. we only need to vote once on a Richard Black Hoppe Cue, but everyone who owns this cue will be permitted the membership level this cue is worth.
I think we should have the members who own cues from the cuemakers do the interviews ie. I own a couple of Wes Hunters cues, I should do the interview. If more than one person owns a cue makers (which will most likely happen) we have either a contest or a vote to see who gets to do the interview.
Just some more thoughts.
Jim
Jim,
Thanks.. my problem with "levels" is that some people say I have a level 5 cue, but its just wood inlays, and they thinks its worth more than a level 3 with ivory and gold. Its a little sticky.. again nothing is black and white.
I am glad you realize I am not trying to be negative, or piss anyone off, but I am throwing out there things you will hear. Again I am playing devils advocate.
Joe
Thanks.. my problem with "levels" is that some people say I have a level 5 cue, but its just wood inlays, and they thinks its worth more than a level 3 with ivory and gold. Its a little sticky.. again nothing is black and white.
I am glad you realize I am not trying to be negative, or piss anyone off, but I am throwing out there things you will hear. Again I am playing devils advocate.
Joe
classiccues said:
I guess we'd have to tell'em to get over it. This is not about "worth". No one said a level 5 HAD to cost more than a level 3 (though 90% of the time it will), but say a G. Szamboti, which in average or above would be a level 5, no matter what the inlay work is. It's all about collectability, not nesc. high priced or exotic inlays.
Maybe you can explain a little more what you mean. I mean a cue that's $5,000 plus should make a level 5, I would think. Whether it's a Meucci with gold, silver and ivory or a Rambow with MoP.
Jim
jhendri2 said:
Jim,
It depends. I thought you were going to go by the BB for the level indicators. If you are going to vote on your own level requirements, thats cool. But my Szamboti for example would only be a level 3 based on the BB but has a value of 5,000 where a Cog similar to http://www.proficientbilliards.com/examples/cognoscenti.htm #2 might be a level 5 and have a value of 3500.00 per se. But if you want to make your indicators on the "value" of the cue moreso the design, maybe thats even better for a cue club. It might work to your advantage that way.
Joe
I think the levels should be inline with what Celtic had posted. Not what the BB says. The BB may say a GS is level 3 value $5,000 or whatever. This same GS would be a level 5 in the club.
An example: I own a Wes Hunter one of a kind that was on the cover of American Cuist. I have the magazine signed by Wes and framed. With this provenance, I would think the cue may be in the Level 4 or 5 range. I only paid $1,000 for the cue. A Schon that is not limited, that costs, say $1,500 may fall into the level 2 or 3 range.
I think the levels are more of collectability v value levels. Does this make sense?
Jim
An example: I own a Wes Hunter one of a kind that was on the cover of American Cuist. I have the magazine signed by Wes and framed. With this provenance, I would think the cue may be in the Level 4 or 5 range. I only paid $1,000 for the cue. A Schon that is not limited, that costs, say $1,500 may fall into the level 2 or 3 range.
I think the levels are more of collectability v value levels. Does this make sense?
Jim
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jhendri2 said:
Jim,
I getcha.. but even a Schon limited regardless of how fancy it is must top out somewhere. I mean a run of 25 cues is to much to be a level 5 IMHO. Again regardless of how fancy it is.
Joe
I would say if it's a production cue and is not a 1/1 then it should top out at a level 3. No matter how fancy. Level's 4-5 should be strictly for custom makers and 1/1's and then it's still depending on collectablility. Exceptions of course can be made for say extremely rare Palmers or Brunswick cues or cues with a special provenance. A cue tech would normally be a level 1, but THE cue tech used by Earl Strickland to win the US Open would be a level 5.
I hope this makes sense.
Jim
I hope this makes sense.
Jim
classiccues said:
The level of the cue is voted on by the members based on numerous factors. A level 5 cue could be the most basic sneaky pete type of thing in the world if it was built in 1890, on the other hand the most crazily elaborate production cue with thousands of other cues exactly like it out there will not be level 5.
The cue with massively detailed work by a cue maker who is known for massively detailed work may not be as impressive as seeing a moderately fancy Franklin Era Southwest with inlays and such, since they are rare as hell, the guy usually made pretty plain cues.
It is all very subjective and based on a slew of factors, that is why cues are displayed and discussed for a week and voted on durring that time by all the members, at the end of the day the consensus off dozens, or even hundreds of members decide the level of the cue by the average vote, and the subjectivness is dilluted by the mass of voters.
classiccues said:
The most fancy Schon out there with a limited run of 25 would probably get a vote of a 3 from me, maybe a 2 depending on what cues are going into the level 3, there is no way it would get a 4 or a 5 vote, it cannot with 25 cues the exact same floating around and a production cue makers stamp on it.
So, umm, post count +++
Who out there is good at writing web pages? Anyone want to take this on? This club would need a message board, much like this one here at AZ Billiards that allows for photo uploading in the voting and submissions section. It would need a gallery section for storing the voted upon cues that has 5 sections that are browsable by level and cue maker both (aka, you can click on level 5 and see only level 5, or you can click on Gina Cue and see only Gina cue regardless of level). It would need a home page, a page that explains the goals of the organization, perhaps a members page, where you can scroll the list and pick a member and view their collection seperately (from which you could link out using the cue makers name or the level link). Upcomming events section would be good too, as later the club would need it. Plus the membership fee thing all worked into it. There should also be spaces for discrete advertising, and some small link buttons for places like here at AZ Billiards.
It would have to be classy, and I am thinking Black, to make the cues stand out as they do in a lit case. Black backgrounds for the pictures, use of silver and gold and green as colors on the page.
If noone else takes it on I may try, but I am pretty crappy at writing web pages and I dont have dreamweaver which I would probably need to get to have a chance. This would be a pretty elaborate webpage to attempt.
Who out there is good at writing web pages? Anyone want to take this on? This club would need a message board, much like this one here at AZ Billiards that allows for photo uploading in the voting and submissions section. It would need a gallery section for storing the voted upon cues that has 5 sections that are browsable by level and cue maker both (aka, you can click on level 5 and see only level 5, or you can click on Gina Cue and see only Gina cue regardless of level). It would need a home page, a page that explains the goals of the organization, perhaps a members page, where you can scroll the list and pick a member and view their collection seperately (from which you could link out using the cue makers name or the level link). Upcomming events section would be good too, as later the club would need it. Plus the membership fee thing all worked into it. There should also be spaces for discrete advertising, and some small link buttons for places like here at AZ Billiards.
It would have to be classy, and I am thinking Black, to make the cues stand out as they do in a lit case. Black backgrounds for the pictures, use of silver and gold and green as colors on the page.
If noone else takes it on I may try, but I am pretty crappy at writing web pages and I dont have dreamweaver which I would probably need to get to have a chance. This would be a pretty elaborate webpage to attempt.