Cue Description Terminology

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pathman

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I've been buying and selling custom and production cues since the mid 80s and things have really changed. Some of the most interesting observations I've made have been in the realm of how guys describe the style of cue they are selling. When did sneaky petes all become described as full splice cues, When did any cue with an ivory ring in the butt-sleeve become a Hoppe style cue and last but not least, when did plain solid wood merry-widow cues become fancy three and five ring cues? I don't really mind any of this, just wondered if any of the veteran cue guys have noticed this. The one I really can't stand though, are the guys that describe cues with re-cut points as 45 point etc. I always expect to see some truly radical splice or something and then it just turns out to be re-cuts with reverse points in the butt.
 
Since Googanism became a fad.
Really, everything evolves/changes.
Those who don't deal with them, would go nuts.
 
Half the time I don't know what they're talking about anyway. Of course, I prefer not to buy a cue without hitting balls with it, and getting a feel for it. I'm not into "collectible" cues anyway. I'm more into "playing" cues.
 
jay helfert said:
Half the time I don't know what they're talking about anyway. Of course, I prefer not to buy a cue without hitting balls with it, and getting a feel for it. I'm not into "collectible" cues anyway. I'm more into "playing" cues.
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I hear ya Jay, I collect em until I try one I like better, then I collect that one.
 
pathman said:
I've been buying and selling custom and production cues since the mid 80s and things have really changed. Some of the most interesting observations I've made have been in the realm of how guys describe the style of cue they are selling. When did sneaky petes all become described as full splice cues, When did any cue with an ivory ring in the butt-sleeve become a Hoppe style cue and last but not least, when did plain solid wood merry-widow cues become fancy three and five ring cues? I don't really mind any of this, just wondered if any of the veteran cue guys have noticed this. The one I really can't stand though, are the guys that describe cues with re-cut points as 45 point etc. I always expect to see some truly radical splice or something and then it just turns out to be re-cuts with reverse points in the butt.
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JUST PIMPS be PIMPIN wantin to get their ho's some play;)
 
pathman said:
I've been buying and selling custom and production cues since the mid 80s and things have really changed. Some of the most interesting observations I've made have been in the realm of how guys describe the style of cue they are selling. When did sneaky petes all become described as full splice cues, When did any cue with an ivory ring in the butt-sleeve become a Hoppe style cue and last but not least, when did plain solid wood merry-widow cues become fancy three and five ring cues? I don't really mind any of this, just wondered if any of the veteran cue guys have noticed this. The one I really can't stand though, are the guys that describe cues with re-cut points as 45 point etc. I always expect to see some truly radical splice or something and then it just turns out to be re-cuts with reverse points in the butt.
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About the same time a Vacume Cleaner became a (Hoover)
About the same time a copy became a (Xerox)
and finally......
Last Week.....:rolleyes:

(BTW....JK)
 
jay helfert said:
Half the time I don't know what they're talking about anyway. Of course, I prefer not to buy a cue without hitting balls with it, and getting a feel for it. I'm not into "collectible" cues anyway. I'm more into "playing" cues.
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Jay
Recuts that PATHMAN was referring to is just a point construction method that is different than veneers. With veneer construction you have one point with strips of wood (veneers) glued to it. Recuts are smaller points cut into existing point. Attached is a picture of recuts I just completed (has no finish - just cue dust and dirt) - the cue is far from complete but the forearm will show you there is no glue lines at the end of the points due to the construction method. I used hardwoods Ebony, Maple, Ebony etc for the point construction. Can use all the exotics with this construction method. And PATHMAN, don't think there is an industry standard on describing recuts. I prefer to describe it as 4 points of Ebony recut with Maple recut with -----

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Jack Madden said:
Jay
Recuts that PATHMAN was referring to is just a point construction method that is different than veneers. With veneer construction you have one point with strips of wood (veneers) glued to it. Recuts are smaller points cut into existing point. Attached is a picture of recuts I just completed (has no finish - just cue dust and dirt) - the cue is far from complete but the forearm will show you there is no glue lines at the end of the points due to the construction method. I used hardwoods Ebony, Maple, Ebony etc for the point construction. Can use all the exotics with this construction method. And PATHMAN, don't think there is an industry standard on describing recuts. I prefer to describe it as 4 points of Ebony recut with Maple recut with -----
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Around here....they call that picture a "Madden Cut" ;)
 
Jack Madden said:
Jay
Recuts that PATHMAN was referring to is just a point construction method that is different than veneers. With veneer construction you have one point with strips of wood (veneers) glued to it. Recuts are smaller points cut into existing point. Attached is a picture of recuts I just completed (has no finish - just cue dust and dirt) - the cue is far from complete but the forearm will show you there is no glue lines at the end of the points due to the construction method. I used hardwoods Ebony, Maple, Ebony etc for the point construction. Can use all the exotics with this construction method. And PATHMAN, don't think there is an industry standard on describing recuts. I prefer to describe it as 4 points of Ebony recut with Maple recut with -----

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So this cue has ebony recuts? Is that right?
 
pathman said:
I've been buying and selling custom and production cues since the mid 80s and things have really changed. Some of the most interesting observations I've made have been in the realm of how guys describe the style of cue they are selling. When did sneaky petes all become described as full splice cues, When did any cue with an ivory ring in the butt-sleeve become a Hoppe style cue and last but not least, when did plain solid wood merry-widow cues become fancy three and five ring cues? I don't really mind any of this, just wondered if any of the veteran cue guys have noticed this. The one I really can't stand though, are the guys that describe cues with re-cut points as 45 point etc. I always expect to see some truly radical splice or something and then it just turns out to be re-cuts with reverse points in the butt.
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I'd say mostly about the time the internet started, people started realizing that they could charge more with outlandish marketing.

when i was a kid a 4 point cue meant just that. Now evidently it means one point with recuts done...
 
pathman said:
I've been buying and selling custom and production cues since the mid 80s and things have really changed. Some of the most interesting observations I've made have been in the realm of how guys describe the style of cue they are selling. When did sneaky petes all become described as full splice cues, When did any cue with an ivory ring in the butt-sleeve become a Hoppe style cue and last but not least, when did plain solid wood merry-widow cues become fancy three and five ring cues? I don't really mind any of this, just wondered if any of the veteran cue guys have noticed this. The one I really can't stand though, are the guys that describe cues with re-cut points as 45 point etc. I always expect to see some truly radical splice or something and then it just turns out to be re-cuts with reverse points in the butt.
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I don't pay too much attention to the description, unless it is really intricate. A picture is worth a thousand words.
 
Geez Jack...Sure is too bad you can't get a REALLY sharp point:eek: ...:D J/K...great looking cue!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Jack Madden said:
Jay
Recuts that PATHMAN was referring to is just a point construction method that is different than veneers. With veneer construction you have one point with strips of wood (veneers) glued to it. Recuts are smaller points cut into existing point. Attached is a picture of recuts I just completed (has no finish - just cue dust and dirt) - the cue is far from complete but the forearm will show you there is no glue lines at the end of the points due to the construction method. I used hardwoods Ebony, Maple, Ebony etc for the point construction. Can use all the exotics with this construction method. And PATHMAN, don't think there is an industry standard on describing recuts. I prefer to describe it as 4 points of Ebony recut with Maple recut with -----

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