Cue Hangers helps straighten slightly bended cues

exposure to moisture risk vs benifit of gravity????

I have a seperate question about this approach to keeping a shaft straight.....(personally not concerned about the possibility of correcting existing warpage)

Doesn't exposing wood to the open environment (moisture/humidity) for an extended amount of time introduce a risk factor that at least equals, if not outweighs, the potential benifit of this storage method?

I always thought preventing over exposure to moisture/humidity was paramount in preventing wood distortion. Granted, this risk will vary from region to region as humidity levels do. The humidity levels in my house and even my bedroom vary from time to time and I personally feel better keeping my shafts in a quality case over hanging them in the open air.

This product IS very afordable, but if my $250 shafts swell or warp when I use it then the product all of a sudden becomes very expensive!

This is not intended to be a negative post in your f/s thread. I would just like my concerns addressed before I use a $2.50 product to store my $250 shaft.

Thanks :)
 
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I have a seperate question about this approach to keeping a shaft straight.....(personally not concerned about the possibility of correcting existing warpage)

Doesn't exposing the wood to the open environment (moisture) introduce a risk factor that at least equals, if not out weighs, the potential benifit of this storage method?

I always thought keeping shaft wood away from moisture was paramount in preventing wood distortion.

This product is very afordable but if my $250 shafts swell or warp when I use it then the product all of a sudden becomes very expensive!

Any thoughts on this :smile:

Where would you keep your shaft that isn't exposed to the same moisture? I doubt very much that the average case is moisture proof at all. A simple zipper doesn't keep out humidity. If you have a room with ideal conditions for a shaft, then use this product in that room.

If you don't have a suitable place to use this product, then you're right to think that this product isn't for you.

Seems like a pretty simple idea with equally simple execution: keep the grain somewhat taught to avoid the wood settling warped. I don't know how much warping can happen when cues are left in a case, but it seems reasonable to assume that it's at least more probable than when the cue has a force acting in the desired direction. How much more probable is warping to occur in a case? I have no idea, and doubt very much that anyone could provide any defensible answer.

So this is the part where you get to be a consumer and weigh some ambiguous risk against the cost of the product. I personally think 2.50$ is cheap insurance even against a long-shot, so I'm on board.

On a side note, I think I would rather have my cues displayed for my own pleasure and sense of aesthetics. I enjoy looking at the cues I've collected, so this product is multipurposed for me.
 
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you make a few good points.

I have been told that the material used in some of the cases out there is "moisture resistant". I have no idea if this claim is true or how true it is...

In a place like, say, Flordia where average humidity is high this storage method would seem risky to me. Too much moisture in the air. How many pool players out there have the luxury of a perfectly controlled climate storage facility?

splitting hairs at this point probably. This product might be great for some and not so appealing to others. Not sure which one I am yet..

At least he is getting a lot of bumps! ;)
 
you make a few good points.

I have been told that the material used in some of the cases out there is "moisture resistant". I have no idea if this claim is true or how true it is...

In a place like, say, Flordia where average humidity is high this storage method would seem risky to me. Too much moisture in the air. How many pool players out there have the luxury of a perfectly controlled climate storage facility?

splitting hairs at this point probably. This product might be great for some and not so appealing to others. Not sure which one I am yet..

At least he is getting a lot of bumps! ;)

moisture resistant can be true...silicons gel does get rid of the moistures...they even use them in food packaging...

Florida is humid of course...but indonesia has a much higher humidity than florida...that is for sure...

we bought exotic woods from america, africa, ect even the shaft using canadian hard rock maple wood that is found in a much colder place...

the thing as I said earlier..the wood is a living thing...they can adapt to places...exposing them to the open air in the place where you live is the best thing to do...they have to adapt the humid or dryness of that place, because when you play with it, you are exposing them to open air...exposing them they will evaporate moist or extract moist...that is when hanging the cue took place while they are adapting, so that they are still straight due to the gravity pull...well most of them

But if there is eye on the wood...the wood will shrink un proportionally thus bending the cue...no matter how long you hang or how well you steamed them to make them straight....it will still be a wood defect

Just my 2 cents..please tell me if I am wrong.
 
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Garvity Does The Work

Okay....I have the alternative....I have this special twine where you can tie to your cue and hang it upside down. The twine is guarenteed not to break and the laws of gravity is guaranteed to apply....only $1.50 per 5 feet of twine...you can hange up to five cues if your're careful in how much you use....better than plastic which creates toxic waste....so all you bozos that think gravity works, come by my twine since it's cheaper...and also reusable....and the same principle applies to my twine alternative to that plastic thingabob....or save your money and else save your hard earned money on some reliable reading material about cues shafts.
 
I have a seperate question about this approach to keeping a shaft straight.....(personally not concerned about the possibility of correcting existing warpage)

Doesn't exposing wood to the open environment (moisture/humidity) for an extended amount of time introduce a risk factor that at least equals, if not outweighs, the potential benifit of this storage method?

I always thought preventing over exposure to moisture/humidity was paramount in preventing wood distortion. Granted, this risk will vary from region to region as humidity levels do. The humidity levels in my house and even my bedroom vary from time to time and I personally feel better keeping my shafts in a quality case over hanging them in the open air.

This product IS very afordable, but if my $250 shafts swell or warp when I use it then the product all of a sudden becomes very expensive!

This is not intended to be a negative post in your f/s thread. I would just like my concerns addressed before I use a $2.50 product to store my $250 shaft.

Thanks :)

When a cue warps on it's own it is because the cue was not cured long enough or the wood was not treated correctly. Meaning that if it was not bent by external force then it's likely that the wood itself was not cured properly. If the cue was not subject to extremes like dipping it in boiling water and then putting it into the walk-in freezer immediately it should be able to withstand most conditions without warping or at the most exhibit very little movement.

Cues are stored openly more than they are in cases. They are exposed to humidity levels the same as everything else in your life. There are millions of cues that are in display racks in stores and in private homes.

I keep my cues in the car all the time no matter what the climate is.

As I said earlier the example for hanging wood is to look at how cue makers do it. Many of the best cue makers store their shafts in the hanging vertical position through every stage of cutting and curing.

Regarding the question of moisture exposure and hanging. When wood is going to be bent on purpose it is deliberately softened with water and heat. Then when sufficiently pliable the wood is bent to conform to whatever shape is desired, bound in place and allowed to dry. Then the wood is sealed to prevent moisture from seeping in. Thus if the bent wood never gets anywhere close to the moisture content and temperature that it was when it was formed it will retain that form indefinitely with only very slight movement if any.

This is the same with cues in the opposite direction. The cue maker takes a piece of wood and cuts a little off to make a straight round dowel. Then he lets that dowel be exposed to the air so that it can move as much as it is likely to. If it warps slightly then he cuts it again so that the dowel is straight and let's it cure more. The process is repeated until the goal is reached of having a piece of wood at shaft size where it's been pared down to the heart of the piece that refuses to move any longer. At that point the balance between how much moisture the shaft holds and the form of the wood (straight) is perfect. Only an extreme force or combination of forces would change the shape of the wood after that.

This is how the best cue makers do it. That's why their stuff is expensive because anything less than this process introduces the risk of putting out shafts that are NOT optimally cured and thus more susceptible to change.

Many cue makers opt for chemical treatments to impregnate their shafts against moisture absorbtion. This does work but it also can lead to shafts feeling "dead". Now there are chemical treatments that mitigate that dead feeling and these are often combined with natural curing to produce nearly warp-proof (with normal use) shafts. Still this process is expensive and must be rigidly followed for good results so in the manufacturing of cues it is only applied to the higher priced varieties while the lower end is done manually.

Essentially though unless you are planning to let your cue sit over a steam vent there is no downside to hanging it.

I personally prefer to steam and bend my shafts IF they develop a severe warp. There are any number of techniques out there for forming wood. Some people put them between elevated rests and use fishing weights to tease out the warp over time. I came across a website the other day where a guy wrote a long page about his experiments in this regard with the conclusion that the gain was only temporary as the warp came back.

The real conclusion should be here that when wood warps it is reacting to the environment and going to a state that it prefers to be in. Think of a rubber band. You can stretch it into a tight shape by force but when you let it go then it reverts to the shape it had at first. Wood is cellular which means that it's internal structure is essentially composed of tiny cups which are designed to hold moisture and nutrients for the cells to feed on. A piece of wood is not alive but the structure allows it to expand and shrink as it takes on or loses moisture and gets hot or cold. So this is why the only substitute for time-based multiple-pass curing is to essentially stabilize the structure through filling the cells with moisture-proof material.

In essence this taken to the extreme is what Dymondwood is. It's wood that has had all the cells filled with resin so that it is essentially a composite of wood and plastic and will not move from the state it's in. Makes for awesome rails on a pool table, stable inlays and butt pieces for pool cues but terrible shafts.

I find it fascinating that we use pool cues which are arguably one of the finest instruments made of wood and yet most of us know very little about the properties of the wood used in our cues and how that wood came from a giant tree down to a little pool cue.
 
Okay....I have the alternative....I have this special twine where you can tie to your cue and hang it upside down. The twine is guarenteed not to break and the laws of gravity is guaranteed to apply....only $1.50 per 5 feet of twine...you can hange up to five cues if your're careful in how much you use....better than plastic which creates toxic waste....so all you bozos that think gravity works, come by my twine since it's cheaper...and also reusable....and the same principle applies to my twine alternative to that plastic thingabob....or save your money and else save your hard earned money on some reliable reading material about cues shafts.

Now would be a good time for you to read the rules of this forum. If you don't want to buy one then don't. But stepping on this poor guy's for sale thread is just wrong. You're coming across as a nit. And a rude one. Save your negative opinions for the main forum or NPR.
 
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I have a pool cue that has a roll in the forearm, not sure what I can do to help fix it. I have some of these cue hangers so I might give it a shot and perhaps in awhile it might help, some told me to hang it in my bathroom when I take showers then remove it and then hang it back up in the closet, worried it might turn into a boomerang. :o
 
I have a pool cue that has a roll in the forearm, not sure what I can do to help fix it. I have some of these cue hangers so I might give it a shot and perhaps in awhile it might help, some told me to hang it in my bathroom when I take showers then remove it and then hang it back up in the closet, worried it might turn into a boomerang. :o

Hi lenny...

where is the specific roll...in the middle of the forearm or the between the handle and the forearm?

Is your butt is straight when you bought it?
 
When a cue warps on it's own it is because the cue was not cured long enough or the wood was not treated correctly. Meaning that if it was not bent by external force then it's likely that the wood itself was not cured properly. If the cue was not subject to extremes like dipping it in boiling water and then putting it into the walk-in freezer immediately it should be able to withstand most conditions without warping or at the most exhibit very little movement.

Cues are stored openly more than they are in cases. They are exposed to humidity levels the same as everything else in your life. There are millions of cues that are in display racks in stores and in private homes.

I keep my cues in the car all the time no matter what the climate is.

As I said earlier the example for hanging wood is to look at how cue makers do it. Many of the best cue makers store their shafts in the hanging vertical position through every stage of cutting and curing.

Regarding the question of moisture exposure and hanging. When wood is going to be bent on purpose it is deliberately softened with water and heat. Then when sufficiently pliable the wood is bent to conform to whatever shape is desired, bound in place and allowed to dry. Then the wood is sealed to prevent moisture from seeping in. Thus if the bent wood never gets anywhere close to the moisture content and temperature that it was when it was formed it will retain that form indefinitely with only very slight movement if any.

This is the same with cues in the opposite direction. The cue maker takes a piece of wood and cuts a little off to make a straight round dowel. Then he lets that dowel be exposed to the air so that it can move as much as it is likely to. If it warps slightly then he cuts it again so that the dowel is straight and let's it cure more. The process is repeated until the goal is reached of having a piece of wood at shaft size where it's been pared down to the heart of the piece that refuses to move any longer. At that point the balance between how much moisture the shaft holds and the form of the wood (straight) is perfect. Only an extreme force or combination of forces would change the shape of the wood after that.

This is how the best cue makers do it. That's why their stuff is expensive because anything less than this process introduces the risk of putting out shafts that are NOT optimally cured and thus more susceptible to change.

Many cue makers opt for chemical treatments to impregnate their shafts against moisture absorbtion. This does work but it also can lead to shafts feeling "dead". Now there are chemical treatments that mitigate that dead feeling and these are often combined with natural curing to produce nearly warp-proof (with normal use) shafts. Still this process is expensive and must be rigidly followed for good results so in the manufacturing of cues it is only applied to the higher priced varieties while the lower end is done manually.

Essentially though unless you are planning to let your cue sit over a steam vent there is no downside to hanging it.

I personally prefer to steam and bend my shafts IF they develop a severe warp. There are any number of techniques out there for forming wood. Some people put them between elevated rests and use fishing weights to tease out the warp over time. I came across a website the other day where a guy wrote a long page about his experiments in this regard with the conclusion that the gain was only temporary as the warp came back.

The real conclusion should be here that when wood warps it is reacting to the environment and going to a state that it prefers to be in. Think of a rubber band. You can stretch it into a tight shape by force but when you let it go then it reverts to the shape it had at first. Wood is cellular which means that it's internal structure is essentially composed of tiny cups which are designed to hold moisture and nutrients for the cells to feed on. A piece of wood is not alive but the structure allows it to expand and shrink as it takes on or loses moisture and gets hot or cold. So this is why the only substitute for time-based multiple-pass curing is to essentially stabilize the structure through filling the cells with moisture-proof material.

In essence this taken to the extreme is what Dymondwood is. It's wood that has had all the cells filled with resin so that it is essentially a composite of wood and plastic and will not move from the state it's in. Makes for awesome rails on a pool table, stable inlays and butt pieces for pool cues but terrible shafts.

I find it fascinating that we use pool cues which are arguably one of the finest instruments made of wood and yet most of us know very little about the properties of the wood used in our cues and how that wood came from a giant tree down to a little pool cue.

agreed well said
 
Hi lenny...

where is the specific roll...in the middle of the forearm or the between the handle and the forearm?

Is your butt is straight when you bought it?

It was straight when I got it. The roll is in the forearm about 4 inches back from the joint.
 
It was straight when I got it. The roll is in the forearm about 4 inches back from the joint.

It is fixable if the roll is between the handle and the forearm by remaking the whole handle...

But if the roll is in the center of the forearm that is no way to fix them with all the inlays, points and veeners on it...

The cue you bought from whatever cue maker did not use proper a dryed kiln wood thus causing the warpage...

these hanger cannot help on defect butts

Just my 2 cents
 
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