cue ID help

People that think Kao does not make well finished cues with even points and well done inlays are mistaken. As was said before, they collaborated with Adam. You can find identical points, butt sleeves, and inlays on Adam and Kao branded cues.
 
Chopdoc said:
People that think Kao does not make well finished cues with even points and well done inlays are mistaken. As was said before, they collaborated with Adam. You can find identical points, butt sleeves, and inlays on Adam and Kao branded cues.
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Hi, I wonder, is Kao the company who built Lucasi cues back in the 90's? The reason I ask is I have seen a lot of Adam cues that looked like Lucasi cues, and even had the same Roman Numeral numbers on the opposite side of the logo, just like I have seen on Players cues. I know, I should just ask Google AI these days, and they might give me a good answer, lol.

I do wonder what Adam cues, specifically, Kao made.

Also, do you know of the Helmstetter cues that were made back in the late 90's? Like, 97, 98 series, iirc. Those cues had lop sided inlays, and uneven points, in my experience with many of them. Maybe they were made by Kao. I do not believe they were made in Japan. Helmstetter cues, made after the mid 90's, like the 97 and 98 series, if I have that right. I always thought the quality of those looked kind of poor.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Hi, I wonder, is Kao the company who built Lucasi cues back in the 90's? The reason I ask is I have seen a lot of Adam cues that looked like Lucasi cues, and even had the same Roman Numeral numbers on the opposite side of the logo, just like I have seen on Players cues. I know, I should just ask Google AI these days, and they might give me a good answer, lol.

I do wonder what Adam cues, specifically, Kao made.

Also, do you know of the Helmstetter cues that were made back in the late 90's? Like, 97, 98 series, iirc. Those cues had lop sided inlays, and uneven points, in my experience with many of them. Maybe they were made by Kao. I do not believe they were made in Japan. Helmstetter cues, made after the mid 90's, like the 97 and 98 series, if I have that right. I always thought the quality of those looked kind of poor.
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The numbered Helmstetter cues were made in Japan by Adam.

I'll have to check my notes. I think I have something about when the collaboration with Kao was a thing. Year range at least.

These factories are all extremely capable. I think garzar can speak firsthand more specifically. Cue makers like Helmstetter and even Stroud dealt with them as far as business. No, I am not saying any JW was ever made by anyone but him. But he did design the Smart Shaft.

Much of what has been produced in the East just isn't commonly known here. That's both production and custom.
 
Chopdoc said:
The numbered Helmstetter cues were made in Japan by Adam.

I'll have to check my notes. I think I have something about when the collaboration with Kao was a thing. Year range at least.

These factories are all extremely capable. I think garzar can speak firsthand more specifically. Cue makers like Helmstetter and even Stroud dealt with them as far as business. No, I am not saying any JW was ever made by anyone but him. But he did design the Smart Shaft.

Much of what has been produced in the East just isn't commonly known here. That's both production and custom.
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I find it very hard to believe that these 97 Series Helmstetter cues, for example, were made in Japan.


The quality just looked horrible, to me. Lop sided inlays, uneven points. The Japanese Helmstetter cues, like the 86 and 87 series, along with the VIP lines, and others, like the Balabushka line, just looked so much nicer, and higher quality.

Kind of makes me sick, thinking about the 97 series Helmstetter cues, for example, lol. They were kind of garbage quality, I thought. Well, not garbage, but just not that great.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
I find it very hard to believe that these 97 Series Helmstetter cues, for example, were made in Japan.


The quality just looked horrible, to me. Lop sided inlays, uneven points. The Japanese Helmstetter cues, like the 86 and 87 series, along with the VIP lines, and others, like the Balabushka line, just looked so much nicer, and higher quality.

Kind of makes me sick, thinking about the 97 series Helmstetter cues, for example, lol. They were kind of garbage quality, I thought. Well, not garbage, but just not that great.
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Regardless of their numbered status, or whatever name or brand is on the decal, they are mass produced.

If you are really that fussy, why are you looking at mass produced cues?

If you are really that fussy, stop bargain hunting and step up with a few thousand for a proper custom cue.

If you look close enough, even they are not perfect.

You want close to perfection? Get a Searing. There are others.

If you find a perfect cue, I will eat my socks.

If it is made of wood, I will eat my shoes as well.

I have good cues, but I have a more fun dabbling with the productions cues. Why? I dunno. Cheap. Variety. Lots' of "unknowns" to research.

I am not looking to replace my Joss or flip cues, so maybe I am different than most.
 
Chopdoc said:
Regardless of their numbered status, or whatever name or brand is on the decal, they are mass produced.

If you are really that fussy, why are you looking at mass produced cues?

If you are really that fussy, stop bargain hunting and step up with a few thousand for a proper custom cue.

If you look close enough, even they are not perfect.

You want close to perfection? Get a Searing. There are others.

If you find a perfect cue, I will eat my socks.

If it is made of wood, I will eat my shoes as well.

I have good cues, but I have a more fun dabbling with the productions cues. Why? I dunno. Cheap. Variety. Lots' of "unknowns" to research.

I am not looking to replace my Joss or flip cues, so maybe I am different than most.
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I am on the same boat. I have more cues than I can point a pool stick at, the only customs are the cues I have made myself.
I love collecting odds and ends. Still looking for a PBR cue like the two you have. :geek:
 
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