Cue joint seems off center

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adrianp

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So I have a new cue with a metal joint. When the shaft is screwed on all the way, you can feel the edge is a bit off center. It seems to roll straight and shoots fine, just wondering if that's repairable and if it's an easy thing. If you unscrew it just a bit it evens out all around fine, its just at that last turn when you lock it that the edge pops out a bit.

Thanks,
Adrian
 
adrianp said:
So I have a new cue with a metal joint. When the shaft is screwed on all the way, you can feel the edge is a bit off center. It seems to roll straight and shoots fine, just wondering if that's repairable and if it's an easy thing. If you unscrew it just a bit it evens out all around fine, its just at that last turn when you lock it that the edge pops out a bit.

Thanks,
Adrian
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This is normal when you have a cheap cue and doesn't have the original shaft that was made for the cue.

I wouldn't have anything done to it unless it really bothers you.
 
poolguy4u said:
This is normal when you have a cheap cue and doesn't have the original shaft that was made for the cue.

I wouldn't have anything done to it unless it really bothers you.
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I'm curious why you would assume it was a cheap cue? Do you think I came on the board asking about some $50 Walmart special?

Anyways, some history on it...I bought it new, but when it arrived it had an imperfection (small ding), so it was shipped back and corrected.

Do you think that maybe when they shipped it back they sent the wrong shaft with it?
 
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adrianp said:
I'm curious why you would assume it was a cheap cue?

Anyways, some history on it...I bought it new, but when it arrived it had an imperfection (small ding), so it was shipped back and corrected.

Do you think that maybe when they shipped it back they sent the wrong shaft with it?
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Was the ding on the joint? If so, they might of faced off the ding, therefore the shaft now goes on a half turn more so it doesn't line up quite right.

This would be common for a Kaiser, J&J, and of course cues from the Philippines.

I've seen this happen with McDermotts too.

So what kind of cue is it?
 
It's a Joss cue. The ding was under the black ring that is under the metal joint. It was a bit under a half inch and was straight. Only way I can describe it I guess is if you took a screw driver and made an indentation. Anyways, it wasn't right near the joint.

I guess I'm just trying to see if that's something that can be corrected easily. Wrong shaft, or I can have someone locally adjust it. Been waiting like 2-3 weeks between the back and forth and then the weather. Would really hate to have to send the whole thing back again. Especially since it was the last one. I'm just scared something else will happen to it hehe.

I should hear back from them tomorrow, just figured I'd hit up the forum in the meantime and get some outside input.
 
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adrianp said:
It's a Joss cue. The ding was under the black ring that is under the metal joint. It was a bit under a half inch and was straight. Only way I can describe it I guess is if you took a screw driver and made an indentation. Anyways, it wasn't right near the joint.

I guess I'm just trying to see if that's something that can be corrected easily. Wrong shaft, or I can have someone locally adjust it. Been waiting like 2-3 weeks between the back and forth and then the weather. Would really hate to have to send the whole thing back again. Especially since it was the last one. I'm just scared something else will happen to it hehe.

I should hear back from them tomorrow, just figured I'd hit up the forum in the meantime and get some outside input.
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LOL...just the other day in a different thread I did talk about the low end Joss cues and was questioning about where they were made.

I still have my own thoughts about it.

Was this cue from J&J or some other big box store?

I've had some problems with the lower end Joss cues.
 
It came from Joss directly through my local dealer at the pool hall. It's not one of their production cues. It was one that they list under their Available cues. Supposedly he only makes a few of each of these.
 
If you're not happy, return the cue and ask that it go to Joss or send it to Dan Janes but be sure you contact him first. If the cue came that way new, Dan will make it right...or he should.....or the supplier where you bought the cue will make it right, or should....and if neither does so, you know you bought a inexpensive cue....doesn't matter how much you actually paid....it's cheap cue was just a reference to its quality inspection.....the cue never should have been sent and you should have returned the cue if the shaft and cue joint are not a perfect fit and true alignment.
 
The pin insert in the shaft is off-center. Shouldn't be an issue unless it bothers you (and it sounds like it does). I've had Joss cues over the years and shafts are interchangeable with no issues (except the gold letter Joss shafts won't line up the lettering with the joint's lettering). Find someone else with a 5/16x14 shaft and try it out...I'll bet it fits perfectly, then you'll know it's the joint insert on the shaft. Any competent cue repair guy can fix it, but you could send it back to Joss for a replacement.
 
West Point 1987 said:
The pin insert in the shaft is off-center. Shouldn't be an issue unless it bothers you (and it sounds like it does). I've had Joss cues over the years and shafts are interchangeable with no issues (except the gold letter Joss shafts won't line up the lettering with the joint's lettering). Find someone else with a 5/16x14 shaft and try it out...I'll bet it fits perfectly, then you'll know it's the joint insert on the shaft. Any competent cue repair guy can fix it, but you could send it back to Joss for a replacement.
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I agree. It sounds like the problem is with the shaft, not the butt (even though the OP describes "corrective action" taken on the butt to repair a ding near the joint / joint collar).

Find another 5/16x14-threaded shaft, and thread it tightly onto the Joss butt. It should either fit perfectly, or else have the same amount of overlap *all the way around the circumference* of where the shaft and butt meet at the joint. In other words, if there's a lip where the shaft meets the butt at the joint (indicating the shaft and butt joint diameters are not exactly the same), that lip is present all the way around the joint.

Sometimes, when it "feels" the shaft "should" center correctly when it's almost threaded completely, but then goes off-center when the last revolution is applied to lock it down, it's because the face of the shaft's joint is not perfectly flush and flat, and squeezes out in one direction to follow the unflat surfaces. In that case, try cleaning the face of the contact surfaces on the shaft's joint, to make sure there's no detritus or dirt there. Or have a local cue repairman take a look at it -- maybe he can gently reface the shaft's flat area around the pilot hole on a lathe.

Just some thoughts,
-Sean
 
adrianp said:
It came from Joss directly through my local dealer at the pool hall. It's not one of their production cues. It was one that they list under their Available cues. Supposedly he only makes a few of each of these.
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I got one of their avalable line cues semi custom made with select curly maple directly from joss through mr. Janes. I had heard from someone else prior to calling joss that they do make only a few of each. As far as the pin problem, I bought one of their production cues, the jos-16, about 8-9 years ago and I had the same "problem" didnt really bother me, and it hasn't gotten worse since the day I got it. But, like others are saying, if you're not happy, have them fix it
 
I wouldn't bee too quick to blame the pin. If it bothers you enough to endure the wait to have it rectified, send that mofo back.

I hav a lotta shafts for my cue and some of the collars have overhang that isn't even around the outer circumference. Doesn't bug me anymore, but I did have to learn to stop touching the joint...
 
Black-Balled said:
but I did have to learn to stop touching the joint...
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So I thought I'd get over it, but every once in a while it bothers me. I keep touching it :( I know I can be a PITA when it comes to small stupid shit. Anyways, someone reached out to me a while back in PM, but I hadn't noticed. All the alerts were disabled. He had me take pics, so figured I'd post them here as well and get other people's opinion. It's probably just me making a bigger deal of it.





Anyways, let me know if I'm going overboard nitpicking or if that's something I can fix since I can't seem to stop touching it.
 
adrianp said:
So I thought I'd get over it, but every once in a while it bothers me. I keep touching it :( I know I can be a PITA when it comes to small stupid shit. Anyways, someone reached out to me a while back in PM, but I hadn't noticed. All the alerts were disabled. He had me take pics, so figured I'd post them here as well and get other people's opinion. It's probably just me making a bigger deal of it.





Anyways, let me know if I'm going overboard nitpicking or if that's something I can fix since I can't seem to stop touching it.
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That is really screwed up----especially if it's a real Joss shaft on a Joss butt.
That is really messed up. I don't blame you for feeling the way you do.

Now I'm not going to be able to sleep over it---just thinking about it.:thumbup:
 
adrianp said:
So I have a new cue with a metal joint. When the shaft is screwed on all the way, you can feel the edge is a bit off center. It seems to roll straight and shoots fine, just wondering if that's repairable and if it's an easy thing. If you unscrew it just a bit it evens out all around fine, its just at that last turn when you lock it that the edge pops out a bit.

Thanks,
Adrian
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Just me,but if it rolls straight on the cue and shoots straight,youre nitpicking,
 
Choppertwo said:
Just me,but if it rolls straight on the cue and shoots straight,youre nitpicking,
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Heads up that you are replying to a 8 year old thread. Happens pretty often, I'm guessing in threads that were come across in google or other searches and you forget you weren't just reading current threads in the forum like normal.
 
Somewhere in the assembly process something got off center: could be the metal of the joint, could be the pin, could be a boss the metal was on,...

Normally during assembly the pin is inserted, then the <outside> metal couplings placed, then the shaft and but are made coaxial (will end up rolling straight), and it is at this point in time that the final faces on the joint are cut.

Then the cue is screwed together, checked for straightness, and at this point the outside of the metal joints are turned to the size of the shaft on one end and the butt on the other end.

This procedure compensates for tolerances elsewhere in the build process.

If the faces of the cue are ever cut again, the metal portions can end up non-colinear (as described above)
The faces WERE cut again and you are left with the consequences of the assembly process.

Let us look at the tolerances, the joint is ~1" wide, the shaft is ~30" long, if the face of one metal coupling is non-coaxial by 0.001" of an inch across 1" face, the shaft will be out of round by 0.030" (1/32") easily seen and annoying as heck.

If you have a pin with 10 turns per inch (0.100" pitch) and you take off 0.010" (1/100") off the face to get rid of a ding, the shaft and butt will turn by 36º relative to where they were originally machine. IF you did it to both faces you get 72º nearly ¼ turn !!
 
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