CUE PICTURES including Keith McCready's cue

Jack Madden

Jack Madden

John Madden Cues
Silver Member
I just updated my website with pictures of several cues I just completed. One of the cues is a playing cue built for Keith McCready per his specifications. I think we collaberated well on it, since he won $4,000 the first day he played with it.

Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
 
Jack Madden said:
I just updated my website with pictures of several cues I just completed. One of the cues is a playing cue built for Keith McCready per his specifications. I think we collaberated well on it, since he won $4,000 the first day he played with it.

Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
Click to expand...

Keith Split that pot with you as a Tip...?:) :) :) :)

That JM 1025 get a WOW WOW Factor...
 
Last edited:
Hello, I am confused (not unusual) all I saw was six pages of cues that had a model number but instead of a price they say sold? are all of your cues one of a kind? thus no price for a cue thats been sold?, I went through the site twice but I could not find anything that reffered to keiths cue. Which one is it?
Thanks, Jayman.
 
jayman said:
Hello, I am confused (not unusual) all I saw was six pages of cues that had a model number but instead of a price they say sold? are all of your cues one of a kind? thus no price for a cue thats been sold?, I went through the site twice but I could not find anything that reffered to keiths cue. Which one is it?
Thanks, Jayman.
Click to expand...
Model: JM1026
Cue Weight: KM spec
Features: Keith McCready's Cue - member of the International Pool Tour (IPT)
Price: N/A:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
jayman said:
Hello, I am confused (not unusual) all I saw was six pages of cues that had a model number but instead of a price they say sold? are all of your cues one of a kind? thus no price for a cue thats been sold?, I went through the site twice but I could not find anything that reffered to keiths cue. Which one is it?
Thanks, Jayman.
Click to expand...

Jayman
The first two cues are available - for sale. Yes, one of a kind - I don't make 2 of, or 5 of. I like doing what I do and don't normally make the same cue twice 'cause I want a new challenge etc - (have lots of ideas for cues in my head that I want to build). Many of the cues on the site are custom ordered so reflect the buyers specifications with some input from me. Therefore, there are no prices (its the customers business). The pictures of the cues on the web site represent different things I do. I will be posting some butterfly cues and some more elaborate recut points in the future.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
 
cueaddicts said:
Keith's got himself a gorgeous cue. It has an eerie similarity to a Tibbitts we use to own....

http://www.proficientbilliards.com/cues/DannyTibbits/index.htm

Sean

P.S. Don't ley Jimbo see it; he's liable to go nutz.
Click to expand...


SEAN, THE ONE YO'RE LOOKING AT ISN'T KEITHS, KEOTHS IS THE CUE ABOVE THE ONE YOUR TALKING ABOUT.

WHEN I SAW THE CUE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, I KNEW THE DESIGN LOOKED VERY FAMILIAR BUT I COULDN'T REMEMBER FROM WHERE. THANKS FOR REFRESSHING MY MEMORY ABOUT THE TIBBITTS.
 
cueaddicts said:
Keith's got himself a gorgeous cue. It has an eerie similarity to a Tibbitts we use to own....

http://www.proficientbilliards.com/cues/DannyTibbits/index.htm

Sean

P.S. Don't ley Jimbo see it; he's liable to go nutz.
Click to expand...

That cue was a custom per the customers drawing with a little change in inlay spacing and size of the butt sleeve - due to the weight the customer wanted (very light cue with heavy shafts). It was just delivered to Chicago. Last thing I want to do is copy someone elses design, I have plenty in my head that I want to do. Love the recuts and am playing around with butterflys.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
 
Last edited:
cueaddicts said:
P.S. Don't ley Jimbo see it; he's liable to go nutz.
Click to expand...


I looked, as someone else already pointed out it's not KM's cue, but the one under his that you're talking about. Without a doubt that cue is a copy I've always been consistent about copies they are wrong. Sure an idiot like Joe would try to say it's not because the rings are different, but by all means that cue is a copy and by my standards it's wrong to copy. End of story, no matter who does it. I must also add that after meeting and talking with Jack I believe him to be honest and when he says it was a customers order I believe him. I can't say that a cue maker should know of every design ever done, but I can say this cue is without a doubt a copy. I can also say that the person who asked him to do it probably fell under the group of people who feel nothing is wrong with the practice, and is an idiot. But of course I have to say again I believe Jack when he says he didn't know and I applaud him when he says publicly he wouldn't copy someone elses designs. I'm not shocked by it Sean, but I wish more stuff like this would come out and more people would see it for what it is.
Thanks for shinning the light on the problem, you make a nice robin to my Batman LOL :-D

Jim <----Crime fighter
 
JimBo said:
I looked, as someone else already pointed out it's not KM's cue, but the one under his that you're talking about. Without a doubt that cue is a copy I've always been consistent about copies they are wrong. Sure an idiot like Joe would try to say it's not because the rings are different, but by all means that cue is a copy and by my standards it's wrong to copy. End of story, no matter who does it. I must also add that after meeting and talking with Jack I believe him to be honest and when he says it was a customers order I believe him. I can't say that a cue maker should know of every design ever done, but I can say this cue is without a doubt a copy. I can also say that the person who asked him to do it probably fell under the group of people who feel nothing is wrong with the practice, and is an idiot. But of course I have to say again I believe Jack when he says he didn't know and I applaud him when he says publicly he wouldn't copy someone elses designs. I'm not shocked by it Sean, but I wish more stuff like this would come out and more people would see it for what it is.
Thanks for shinning the light on the problem, you make a nice robin to my Batman LOL :-D

Jim <----Crime fighter
Click to expand...

2 questions fatboy..

Can a cuemaker claim ignorance.. and is it ok if the customer did both designs?

BTW nice of you to jump on the Scruggs / Ernie copy in the other thread.. Oh wait you didn't .. I know, I know.. its Timmy..

JV
 
classiccues said:
Can a cuemaker claim ignorance.. and is it ok if the customer did both designs?

JV
Click to expand...

A cuemaker can claim ingorance if it is the truth. A rare exception would indicate honesty, a history of repeating would not.

If the customer did 100% of both designs, in my opinion the designs are intellectual properties with implied ownership belonging to the customer, and a cuemaker is doing no wrong by making another copy for the owner of the design. Certain cuemakers would turn him down because it is no longer unique, maybe most, but the ones who do make the cues are not infringing on anyone. Just my opinion.

Kelly
 
classiccues said:
Can a cuemaker claim ignorance..
Click to expand...

I think a cuemaker can claim ignorance all he wants. Whether he's telling the truth or not, buyers will form their own conclusions based on past dealings.


and is it ok if the customer did both designs?
Click to expand...

I would say it's okay. I can't think off the top of my head why a customer with that kind of design initiative and savvy would have two awefully similar cues built by different makers. I'm sure someone can think of a reason.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
I think a cuemaker can claim ignorance all he wants. Whether he's telling the truth or not, buyers will form their own conclusions based on past dealings.




I would say it's okay. I can't think off the top of my head why a customer with that kind of design initiative and savvy would have two awefully similar cues built by different makers. I'm sure someone can think of a reason.

Fred
Click to expand...

The only reason I can think of is he commissioned for the cue to be made by a cuemaker, but when it arrived it does not hit anywhere near what he hoped, so he wanted to try again with another cuemaker, but did not want to let go of his unique design.

Kelly
 
classiccues said:
2 questions fatboy..

LOL I forgot how svelte you were Joe. When is CK renewing your underwear modeling contract LOL.

Can a cuemaker claim ignorance..

Of course he can, why not? Dose it make it right?? Not at all, but in this case not only did Jack claim not to know but he also spoke out about not wanting to repeat that practice. Can a cuemaker claim not to know what a Southwest looks like?? Never, but a 1 of a kind cue from a guy who makes 30 cues a year, sure it's an obscure cue.

and is it ok if the customer did both designs?

Yes it is, because he owns the design and if it's his design he can have every cuemaker do it, I know people who do that. Not like your crooked boss who steals Gus designs and then finds cuemakers who will do it cheap for him. But of course the SIMPLE COMMON SENSE answer is you can't steal what you already own.

BTW nice of you to jump on the Scruggs / Ernie copy in the other thread.. Oh wait you didn't .. I know, I know.. its Timmy..

JV
Click to expand...

Nope, it's not "Timmy" I don't have the time you do, I'm not on here reading every thread. This one was pointed out to me in a PM because I was mentioned. If Mr. Scruggs copied Ernie it's wrong, no matter how many times you continue to try and fool people into believing I have a double standard it'll never float, I've always been consistent. I never saw the other copy, but I don't have to, my stance is always the same and very clear, stealing designs is wrong.

Jim <------Always consistent
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top