Cue/shaft warpage duing shipping - likelyhood???

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Once in awhile you see these threads in For Sale section of the forum where it is claimed that cue/shafts were warped during shipping transit.

Now I don't know caca about cue construction and wood but what is the likelyhood that this can happen?

I don't think this has ever happened to me. Now if I'm buying or selling expensive cues I prefer overnight service but other than that, I'm ok with 2-3 days service.

Please educate me, thanks.
 
Well in a perfect world if your wood is well seasoned it should'nt move. But sence we dont like in a perfect world with the perfect enviroment things have a tendency of happening. For instance if you live in Arizona and ship a cue to Seattle there is a good chance of the the wood moving because of the extreame humidity change..
 
In The 100's Of Cues I've Sold/shipped..... This Happened To Me Twice. Both Times Going From The East Coast To The Northwest (one To Colorado, And One To Washington) The One That Went To Colorado, Actually Straightened Itself Back Out After About 3-4 Weeks There.

P.s. Both Cues Were Shipped Overnight
 
Absolutely....it can and does happen. Wood has a mind of its own sometimes and you usually see this when it's experienced a severe temp/humidity change. We've had a few where they went south and straightened back out after a few weeks....and some where they were out for good. Can happen with a brand new cue or an old cue with seasoned shafts. Have even experienced a butt moving out a little at the A-joint after shipping and then weeks later, it's dead on the money. :confused:
 
it happens.i think the heat and humidity are rough on the wood in the summer months in certain areas.i am shipping everyhting overnight until the fall.
 
One reason that some people like to control temp and humidity in their shop is, so that They can keep It somewhere inbetween the humid east, and dry west, to reduce the odds of too drastic of a change when shipped to a different climate. They will also pull moisture out of the air, and also put the humidity back into the air as needed, to keep It at a constant in their shop.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
In The 100's Of Cues I've Sold/shipped..... This Happened To Me Twice. Both Times Going From The East Coast To The Northwest (one To Colorado, And One To Washington) The One That Went To Colorado, Actually Straightened Itself Back Out After About 3-4 Weeks There.

P.s. Both Cues Were Shipped Overnight


Believe it or not, while we get rained on ALL the time here in the PNW, we are still not as humid as the East Coast is during the summer months. During the winter, complete opposite...while the East Coast tends to have dryer winters, we get so much rain that we grow webs between our toes...very wet!

I have been quite fortunate, as all my cues have come from the East Coast. Two were received in the Spring, and two were received in the Fall....never had a warpage problem whatsoever. :grin:

Lisa
 
ridewiththewind said:
Believe it or not, while we get rained on ALL the time here in the PNW, we are still not as humid as the East Coast is during the summer months. During the winter, complete opposite...while the East Coast tends to have dryer winters, we get so much rain that we grow webs between our toes...very wet!

I have been quite fortunate, as all my cues have come from the East Coast. Two were received in the Spring, and two were received in the Fall....never had a warpage problem whatsoever. :grin:

Lisa





You're right on with that, It's raining almost everday here in NE florida lately. When It''s not raining It's hot & humid. No way would I send a cue west right now. Maybe when I'm set up to control My humiditiy, but not until then. MY cues are staying straight here locally, but I'm frightened to think what might would happen if I sent one west right now. I don't know for certain anything would happen, just don't want to take that chance.

Greg
 
Cue Crazy said:
You're right on with that, It's raining almost everday here in NE florida lately. When It''s not raining It's hot & humid. No way would I send a cue west right now. Maybe when I'm set up to control My humiditiy, but not until then. MY cues are staying straight here locally, but I'm frightened to think what might would happen if I sent one west right now. I don't know for certain anything would happen, just don't want to take that chance.

Greg

Actually, the last cue I had shipped to me was from FL...and everything was great. I should qualify that I live in western WA which is much, much wetter than the eastern side of the state, which is primarily high desert. The difference between crossing the Cascades is like night and day....and could wreak havoc on wood.

Lisa
 
I really avoid shipping anything when it's really hot anywhere.
 
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Jazz said:
Once in awhile you see these threads in For Sale section of the forum where it is claimed that cue/shafts were warped during shipping transit.

Now I don't know caca about cue construction and wood but what is the likelyhood that this can happen?

I don't think this has ever happened to me. Now if I'm buying or selling expensive cues I prefer overnight service but other than that, I'm ok with 2-3 days service.

Please educate me, thanks.

You said "Please educate me", so let me say the last week in Arizona or Phoenix AREA it has been in the 112-115 DEGREES. So I wonder how HOT a UPS TRUCK, or 28' Pup, as we called them in the Trucking Busineess, (1/2 of a double Tractor Trailer Load) Gt inside when closed up and parked in the HOT Sun.

Like sme time a 150+ Degrees. Hot enoght to make Wood Move, or Warp.
 
masonh said:
it happens.i think the heat and humidity are rough on the wood in the summer months in certain areas.i am shipping everyhting overnight until the fall.

I was saying this earlier in another thread. Any cue I ship to areas where climates are not consistant...I'm insisting on overnight shipping. Period. You have to. It's the sellers responsibility to get a cue to the customer in the description stated prior to sale. And you KNOW the buyer is going to scream bloody murder if his cue warps in transit. Solution is simple. Pay for overnight shipping...or don't buy the cue. It's that simple for me.
 
It's not just the shipping. It also needs to acclimatize. People call me crazy and what not, as when I receive the cue, I don't bring it out rightaway to inspect the condition. Visual inspection of the box will tell you if the package was compromised or man-handled.

I let mine acclimatize slowly for about 24hrs to 48hrs. Slowly, but surely. :)
 
ridewiththewind said:
Actually, the last cue I had shipped to me was from FL...and everything was great. I should qualify that I live in western WA which is much, much wetter than the eastern side of the state, which is primarily high desert. The difference between crossing the Cascades is like night and day....and could wreak havoc on wood.

Lisa





There was a guy I grew up with that moved to Seatle years ago. I've always heard It rains there all the time. Is that on the western side too? Somewhere like that might not would be as drastic of a change. When I think of a cue going from here to a really dry climate though, I not only worry about warpage, but think of the stories about exotic woods splintering too. Atleast a shaft can be replaced by the maker alittle easier, but if the woods in the handle splinter and/or all the other lovely things that can go on in the ringwork, inlays, and joints happen, then the cue is pretty much a wash loss.

It rains here just about every day this time of year, as I mentioned, but not constant heavy rains all the time, just heavy down poors here and there, except for the times when it sets in and is moving slow if at all, and takes while to pass through, so atleast We're not having severe problems with flooding yet. I really feel for the people that are getting the major flooding from the levies breaking. I'd go insane if everything was knee deep in water. I speak softly as I mention that, because hurricane season is coming up.

Greg
 
Jazz said:
Once in awhile you see these threads in For Sale section of the forum where it is claimed that cue/shafts were warped during shipping transit.

Now I don't know caca about cue construction and wood but what is the likelyhood that this can happen?

I don't think this has ever happened to me. Now if I'm buying or selling expensive cues I prefer overnight service but other than that, I'm ok with 2-3 days service.

Please educate me, thanks.

Hey Jazz, this is what I have seen since I have been it this business. 95% of the people who leave their cues in their Automobiles have cues that are warped or that have major expansion and contraction problems where ever unlike materials are joined together side by side. This is especially true for cues that have Metal rings or other inlays. Metal will expand and contract when exposed to heat or cold and this is why so many cues have raised areas over these type of inlays.

I do not think has a great deal to do with humidity as it does with moisture content that is already present in the wood we use. Now most cues are built with wood that has a moisture content of 9% or less, but no wood that is used for a cue can have less than 2% or 3% because when the moisture content in wood is reduced below the above it becomes too brittle for use.

So, I suspect that leaving a cue in your trunk on a day in the 90's the actual temperature in the trunk is more like a 120 to 140 degrees depending where it is parked. To me this is like place your cue in kiln, you are continuing to lower the moisture content until the woods become brittle. The metal in the cue will also expand a great deal due to these temperatures, and once expanded it will never return back to it old shape completely.

All these same problems can occur in no more than 24 hr's because any weakness in the wood will effected first. Such as cut grain, and other imperfections such as hairline cracks that are unseen, before of exposure to major changes of temperature.

When cues are shipped they are not shipped in a temperature controlled environment. During shipment cues can be exposed to extreme cold during air transit, or extreme heat during ground transit or both. The faster the mode of transit the less Chance there will be a problem. Over night is the best way to insure things are exposed less to any extreme.

Yes cues will warp during 2-3 day transit during hot weather, in my opinion cold weather has much less effect.

However, I must also comment that many claims of cues warping in shipment may not be all they appear to be. In most cases the problem existed before shipment to some extent and became worst during transit.

Just my ramblings!
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
You said "Please educate me", so let me say the last week in Arizona or Phoenix AREA it has been in the 112-115 DEGREES. So I wonder how HOT a UPS TRUCK, or 28' Pup, as we called them in the Trucking Busineess, (1/2 of a double Tractor Trailer Load) Gt inside when closed up and parked in the HOT Sun.

Like sme time a 150+ Degrees. Hot enoght to make Wood Move, or Warp.




Yeah those trucks get hot. I received a package from ups last week during the hotest part of the day. It had alittle bit of size, had a big tarp in It, and I guess It had absorbed alot of heat out of the truck, because When I grabbed It, and the insides of My arms touched the box, It lit me up pretty good, coming close to burning Me. I imagined they probably get hot, but never realized those trucks get that hot.:eek: I hate to think of some of things that have been shipped to me in that heat.
 
i have ywo friends with southwest cues. neither are striaght. that is just about as the best example i can give you. a cue from the dessert going to the NE has no chance. not literally but movement can be expected
 
BlowFish said:
It's not just the shipping. It also needs to acclimatize. People call me crazy and what not, as when I receive the cue, I don't bring it out rightaway to inspect the condition. Visual inspection of the box will tell you if the package was compromised or man-handled.

I let mine acclimatize slowly for about 24hrs to 48hrs. Slowly, but surely. :)

Absolutely. Sometimes whether or not it was shipped overnight doesn't have much to do with it. It's a good precaution, though, especially with higher dollar cues.
 
Cues are likely sealed in their finish and packaged in plastic and cardboard before shipping so humidity is not the culprit ... temperature fluctuation is ... Shippers put your lumber in situations where the temp might be as high as 130 degrees or anywhere below... If you get a sudden temp change and it's 40 degrees or more something going to move ... Idea for you guys shipping alot of cues , insulating your work from temp. with foam or bubble wrap when you ship and you and your customers will be happy and you won't have to deal with the whining of a customer and a cue return or repair ... I double box mine on top of protection cause shippers really don't care ...:cool:
 
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