The readings look to be type D, IMO.
Cue tips test hardness with "Durometer"
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The readings look to be type D, IMO.
Hope this help.....
This is the one I have model EX-D
http://www.buydurometers.com/durometers/EX Series
This is the one I have model EX-D
http://www.buydurometers.com/durometers/EX Series
The one on Pool Dawg says it uses a "Shore A durometer". I guess there is quite a difference, according to what durometer you use.
I`m looking for durometer also, can you let me know what kind you use.
lucas.comtois@videotron.ca
Lucas
Kind of interesting how things go full circle. Here are some tests I did back in 2000-2001. Neat how they compare.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#e682f00dc01dc9ea
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#132c91d19b1c262f
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#349876420db6a065
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#bff562104a988935
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#a803b4e989c6df01
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#e682f00dc01dc9ea
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#132c91d19b1c262f
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#349876420db6a065
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#bff562104a988935
http://groups.google.com/group/rec....nk=gst&q=tucker+tip+hardness#a803b4e989c6df01
to FLYINGSNAIL and Murray Tucker...
There is another thread where a comparison was made of ferrule hardnesses. But I am also dying to know how the hardness of maple compares. Since you folks seem to have the equipment would you be willing to do some more tests? I am assuming that calibrations (zeroing?) may differ, so it wouldn't hurt to re-test some ferrule materials on your own equipment to establish reference numbers for cross comparison. I am also aware that maple can vary quite a bit from sample to sample so I would propose testing the following...
At least three different pieces of maple on what would be considered wood normally suitable for shafts
Three to five of some of the more commonly used ferrule materials such as LBM, Titan, Juma, Mason's micarta, etc.
And finally Ivory
Thanks
Fatz
There is another thread where a comparison was made of ferrule hardnesses. But I am also dying to know how the hardness of maple compares. Since you folks seem to have the equipment would you be willing to do some more tests? I am assuming that calibrations (zeroing?) may differ, so it wouldn't hurt to re-test some ferrule materials on your own equipment to establish reference numbers for cross comparison. I am also aware that maple can vary quite a bit from sample to sample so I would propose testing the following...
At least three different pieces of maple on what would be considered wood normally suitable for shafts
Three to five of some of the more commonly used ferrule materials such as LBM, Titan, Juma, Mason's micarta, etc.
And finally Ivory
Thanks
Fatz
Ivory end grain and maple cross and end grain. I'll do a bigger sample later. Dinner is ready.
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I picked the heaviest, average and lightest shafts from my inventory. At .020 oversized they weigh 4.55, 4.00 and 3.64 respectively. Measuring the cross and end grain they measure:
4.55= 73 and 71
4.00= 69 and 63
3.64= 67 and 60
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4.55= 73 and 71
4.00= 69 and 63
3.64= 67 and 60
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thanks very much, Mr. Tucker!
Mr. Tucker, I see the gauge in your pictures is labeled as "Type D". The testing equipment in the ferrule hardness thread I referred to earlier used "Shore D". Are these the same thing? I just wanted to be sure that the numbers I am comparing are apples to apples.
BTW ivory came in at 87 for anybody who couldn't read the blurry picture.
Thanks again Mr. Tucker.
Fatz
BTW ivory came in at 87 for anybody who couldn't read the blurry picture.
Thanks again Mr. Tucker.
Fatz
dura meter
i have been looking at the dura meters for tips
im not sure which one would be the one to buy.
any advise would be helpful
mike
i have been looking at the dura meters for tips
im not sure which one would be the one to buy.
any advise would be helpful
mike
I got mine on ebay and last night is the first time I have had it out in years. Problem with all the testing is that they are just numbers. You can take two tips that measure the same and they play nothing alike. You have to be real careful to not focus so hard on the tangible stuff that you forget about the intangibles.
I first got the idea to measure tip hardness by numbers from Guido Orlandi back in 99 or 2000. We bought a $300 Durometer, don't ask me what scale, and proceeded to measure tips at ten points and average out the readings. Then I would hit a hundred balls and test again. We used a 6oz hammer as well to simulate hitting the ball.
At the end of it I discovered that MOST tips would end up very close to each other no matter where they started out.
For this reason I got out of tips. People are going the wrong direction in my opinion. I don't understand why no one is trying harder to compete with Tweeten. Seems to me everyone wants to be Moori and fight over 5% of the market and just concede 95% to Tweeten.
I had a 5 layer tip colored black and marked only with a T on it. I had no idea what these tips were. I told folks that the T stood for test. No hardness rating nothing. I gave some away and sold the rest for like $2 a tip. The feedback I got was phenomenal. People loved them and asked for more. I coudn't get more or I would have.
Also regarding Durometer readings, I seem to recall that the Durometer used without a stand is considered to be inconsistent and unreliable when precise measurement is required. So I wouldn't put a lot of faith in single point readings. That's why I used 10 point readings which probably weren't much better but it made me feel better about doing it without a stand.
At the end of it I discovered that MOST tips would end up very close to each other no matter where they started out.
For this reason I got out of tips. People are going the wrong direction in my opinion. I don't understand why no one is trying harder to compete with Tweeten. Seems to me everyone wants to be Moori and fight over 5% of the market and just concede 95% to Tweeten.
I had a 5 layer tip colored black and marked only with a T on it. I had no idea what these tips were. I told folks that the T stood for test. No hardness rating nothing. I gave some away and sold the rest for like $2 a tip. The feedback I got was phenomenal. People loved them and asked for more. I coudn't get more or I would have.
Also regarding Durometer readings, I seem to recall that the Durometer used without a stand is considered to be inconsistent and unreliable when precise measurement is required. So I wouldn't put a lot of faith in single point readings. That's why I used 10 point readings which probably weren't much better but it made me feel better about doing it without a stand.
I agree with John (Did I just admit that?) and that is why my durometer has been sitting in my tool box for so long. I just dug it out because of this thread and now it will go back in the box.
Joe sold a version of this commercially for a while.
im not sure a durometer is the correct device for measuring pool cue tip hardness. im an engineer and work with plastics alot in my industry and the duramoter is a commonly used tool. the issue with measuring cue tips is they are layered and there are different densities throughout the tip. as stated above it is more practicle to measure multiple points and even then, the irrregularities can only distort the test results. another issue with this is we would have to know more about the quality control of the manufacturing facilities. this is where we would need samples from multiple batches/production runs.
im not trying to overcomplicate things or dismiss someones work its just my experiences taught me to overanalyze in the pursuit of logical problem solving. this aids me in my work to prevent failures in our products.
im not trying to overcomplicate things or dismiss someones work its just my experiences taught me to overanalyze in the pursuit of logical problem solving. this aids me in my work to prevent failures in our products.