So this sentence:
Is not up for debate??
Oh right... duh... that's just your "opinion"...too funny
CUES, To Copy or Not to Copy...MY Clarification
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So this sentence:
Is not up for debate??
Oh right... duh... that's just your "opinion"...too funny
All Josey's
Thank god lol. Was gonna say they all look like the same builder/designer. Glad they are
Listen Shawn, I got dragged into the way this thread went. The difference is I have enough wherewithal to withstand the idiocy... Never was the intention about "ME" the way it's portrayed but more to let those know how I feel towards copying cues since I was recently accused of something that wasn't true. End of story.. BUT if you still want to go on we can do that too...
It'd be a helluva coincidence if they weren't... Both makers having the same carpeting!!
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Ah. You don't rip off someone's cue designs, but you will rip off a trademarked name. Got it.
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My opinion of your terrible analogy is not up for debate. Like I said, you may be the nicest guy in the world but it hasn't shown here and that reflects my opinion of you. Good news is I'll bet neither one of us will lose sleep over this.
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Look, YOU were the one who came at me with the funny farm remark. I just gave back what you delivered.
By the way I am a nice guy. At least my wife thinks so...sometimes:embarrassed2:
As I'm sure you are too....
As far as not loosing sleep over it, that a fact since I don't harbor ill feelings long....
Did anyone you're verbally abusing in this thread accuse you of ripping off anyone's designs? I didn't even know about an accusation until you mentioned it. You may not know this, but a lot of us don't really pay attention to you. You program a few cuemaker's CNC machines. That, and $1.70 will buy me a large coffee on the way to work in the morning. Some of us REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO. I really like some of the designs you made for Joe. And Keith. And none of that enters my mind on a daily basis. So, really, probably 98% of us could care less if someone accused you of being a thief.
And there are more than one or two of us that think a lot of your designs look similar. Yes, you've changed some of your medieval and tribal shapes. But they look alike. If I stick a hat and a mustache on Mr. Potato Head, he's still Mr. Potato Head. If I take the hat and mustache off, and put the ears and the bigger nose on, it's still Mr. Potato Head. He looks similar enough in each configuration to know he's Mr. Potato Head. A lot of your inlay patterns have similarities. That isn't good or bad. And it doesn't make you unoriginal. It just makes your style, yours. Nothing wrong with that. But some of us don't share your opinion. That doesn't make us wrong. And it doesn't mean we slur when we speak, need help walking up or down stairs, or need help from God.
The comment was taken out of context. The intended phrase would have been you are crazy if you think you can use a Buggati and a Porsche in the same analogy. Earlier I also stated that so long as you aren't creating a replica or close to a replica, no harm done. There are very few original ideas in any industry so I'm sure little bits and pieces are used from everyone.
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To YOU it's tribal. To me it's not.
So does that make it "two dimensional" now?
The fact that YOU interpret what YOU see one way and others see what they see another, is what makes ALL design much more than "one dimensional"...
"There's an ass for every seat" ... Thats an old saying by the way. Im not calling you an ass...yet
Scoot over because you are taking up two seats. I want to sit down too.
ghost ball <-- calling himself an ass before you do.
Skins, lets tone it WAY back here.
Mike
Mike
Tone what back Mike??
Read the entire thread and then come back and tell me "I" need to tone it down...
I didn't take the thread in this direction Mike But I'll be dammed if I'm going to sit back let others put lies, innuendo, and take away from my business. Which is in essence what's being done...
So with respect, I think this "warning" should go to a few others here as well...
Thanks for that...I'm among those who really do like the 4 points with colored veneers design. Would hate to think my Josey would be accused of copying...
I also have an original Palmer model M from the 2nd catalog that I bought new...Frankly, it's a bit too gaudy for my cue tastes of this, my later years. Thought it was cool when I was young, though.
Sure. I understand the desire to have what is not readily available too. Similar as yourself, I won't even do a design if I think it's infringing on another makers cue...
Your safe with the Josey..
.... Some cues like old Palmers may come back in style at some point and you may just see newer makers using them for "inspiration".. I actually like some of them.
No. but they accused me playing one maker against another sort of "robbing Peter to pay Paul" so to speak which is so far from the truth. What I said was, if you read the first post again, someone had questioned my stance on copying.. My thread was to clarify THAT.. and THAT only.
I have no control of who does what Shawn but by you making a comment referencing my role in the success of multiple cue makers as well as bringing another option to the cue market for over 25 years being worth less than a cup of coffee is FAR from any realistic sense as well as pretty darn egregious if you ask me..
I'm glad you find some of the designs pleasing but I, Joe, and Keith care about being called anything that isn't true
I never said in ANY post that someone can't have an opinion Shawn. NEVER. Either like my work or not it's all good... For the first time though, you're said what I have been saying all along. My "style" IS my "style" that's it. As I just stated, like it or hate it, I'm all good with it. What I don't like is when others come knockin' at my door telling me I've done something unscrupulous or underhanded when common sense would say otherwise. I mean ALL the makers I've worked with would tell anyone the same thing and all of them are easily reachable so me having to defend against "trespassers" of my integrity is a crock and I know you know that.
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I had a guy at league pull a sharking move on me. He sat right in the line of my shot, and as I was shooting the shot, he popped up out of his chair. I missed the shot, and ended up losing the rack. Between racks, he said "I thought you made that 9 ball. I was surprised you missed it". I said "yep, something distracted me on the shot". He then went into a verbal tirade against me, saying I was pulling a move on him. I just kept my mouth shut. He walked around the room, and was telling people the story about how I pulled a move on him. No one believed him. I didn't need to defend myself, because those that know me, did it for me. For those who chose to believe him, their opinion really means nothing to me.
Let your actions speak for you. Tone it down on the defense. You seem to shoot first, and ask questions later. Just keep doing what you're doing, with regards to designing cues. When someone says they think your cues look "fugly", just keep moving on. They probably play with something you think is "fugly" as well. Does it really matter, in the larger scheme of things? If the hot blonde at the bar turns me down for a drink, I don't tear her a new one, and tell her why she's an idiot. I make the same offer to the brunette a few feet away from her.