Cues VS. Economy

JonTravisTaylor

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How can cue prices be justified? In todays economy you would think pricing would go down or at least stabalize...is a 6 point BB with no inlays really worth 8k?? Or a dufferin bought from Walmart, then given to Searing for a "conversion" price...2500.00?? REALLY? I just don't get it. Don't get me wrong I have had some expensive cues, and sure some play great and look very nice, but some of the prices I am seeing seem a bit skewed. If you spend 6k and get the cue straight from the cue maker, should you ever be able to feel the rings?? I don't think so! Anyway...feel free to share some stories, both good and bad about pricing and quality...;)
 
I completely agree. How in the hell does a Sneaky Pete sell for 3-4 thousand. I just cant justify that
 
I'm sorry, what did you say? I couldn't get past your avatar!

Seriously though, not all custom cue makers charge a arm and a leg for good quality. I got a great cue from Barry Cameron of Cameron Custom Cues for a very reasonable price. Also Bob Dzuricky od Dzuricky Custom Cues has reasonably priced high quality cues. And there are plenty more of them out there. These are just the ones that I have personal experience with.
 
1. A cue is worth what someone will pay for it
2. You get what you pay for

My two cents

-Patrick
 
1) The value, as far as dollars, is set by the buyer. But this can be art so the value is a bit etherial.

2) If you are careful, you get what you pay for. If you are very careful, you can get a lot more. IMHO there is A LOT of over-pricing even in this market. So if you are not careful, you get nowhere near what you pay for. Caveat Emptor.


Some of my cues are worth substantially more to me than to anybody else.

I guess this comes back to the issue of the simple skeaky petes that can be priced very high if certain makers converted them. I personally think there is no place for such numbers to be attached to such cues and I wouldn't pay it. I love sneaky petes. I figure $100-150 max for a good shaft (meaning it was made from a single piece of maple and not glued together laminate) and $50-100 for the butt. That puts the price range at $150-250 max for a really good sneaky pete regardless of who converted it. If somebody wants more than that then for me it's too much.

But then, it is art. So some will pay well for such things.

I personally have spent an extortional amount for a cue that I wanted that was worth maybe $40-$50. You never know, I might do the same for a sneaky if I got the bug for a certain one.

It's art, functional art, but art. Get emotional about it and you will find yourself spending the rent on it. :grin:
 
I mean cues in general, but yes, a sneaky can be artistic. Depends on who is looking at it. For me in general a true sneaky is not art.

Remember, art is in the eye of the beholder.

The sneaky is like the rough sketches of certain artists. They can be worth more than a house to the right buyer. Not because the have much artistic value but because there is a certain name on them.

Maybe it's better to say it represents the work of an artist?

I dunno....just my ramblings.....
 
Certain makers' cues are going to continue to command a higher price than some others cues...it has to do with supply and demand, and for those with the available disposable cash, there will always be a sale. The fact is that there are some makers' cues that are simply going to be out of the reach of the general masses...it is what it is. To put too much thought into it, or to get upset about it, is simply wasted energy and isn't going to change a thing. Not much different than being able to afford a high-end car.

Pool players aren't the only ones whom the economy has hit hard. Makers aren't any less immune to the effects. The cost of their materials, supplies, and maintaining their equipment hasn't fallen...in fact, in many cases, they have risen. It simply costs more to make the same cue today than it did yesterday. Makers can only afford to absorb but so much, and do need to get paid for their time and talent.

I do believe that this economy will begin to 'thin' the glut of makers currently making cues. Those with less of a following...or talent...will not be able to afford to continue. I already am seeing equipment sale ads on the increase...and let's face it, there are only but so many pool players with the commitment to the game, looking to buy a custom made cue.

That is why I have done my research, in the past, when looking to acquire another custom cue. I cannot afford a Searing, BB, Showman, etc...either. That doesn't mean that there still are not some perfectly outstanding makers whose cues are priced a little more in range of the standard pool player....and that will hold their relative value well...who will stand behind their product 100%.

I would rather focus my attention on those makers whose cues I could afford, as opposed to those whose cues I cannot. Pretty simple, really.

Lisa
 
OneBallEddie, you raise an interesting question. At what price point does an item become "high end"? Obviously it depends on the item. So let's consider custom cues.
 
there are a few kind of SP's now, plain, fancy (cause it has rings) and this I believe would fall under the "freaking gorgeous SP" category.... pretty sweet..

Oh geez, just call that DZ cue a "pete" because there is nothing "sneaky" about it....:rolleyes:

ghost ball <-- owner of a freaking gorgeous TAD sneaky pete complete with stainless steel joint, inlays and veneers. Looks just like a bar cue!:p

From the highly trusted wikipedia:

"A high quality two-piece cue with a nearly invisible wood-to-wood joint, so that it looks like a cheap one-piece house cue, is called a sneaky pete.[8] Such a cue may be used by a hustler to temporarily fool unsuspecting gamblers into thinking that he or she is a novice."
 
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Oh geez, just call that DZ cue a "pete" because there is nothing "sneaky" about it....:rolleyes:

ghost ball <-- owner of a freaking gorgeous TAD sneaky pete complete with stainless steel joint, inlays and veneers. Looks just like a bar cue!:p

From the highly trusted wikipedia:

"A high quality two-piece cue with a nearly invisible wood-to-wood joint, so that it looks like a cheap one-piece house cue, is called a sneaky pete.[8] Such a cue may be used by a hustler to temporarily fool unsuspecting gamblers into thinking that he or she is a novice."

I understand what you're saying....but they continue to be called that for a lack of a better, universally agreed upon, term. IMHO...cues such as the one I posted the link for are in fact a non-veneered full splice cue. It could have, however, gone they way of a true sneaky pete. ;)

Lisa
 
That DZ cue is very pretty and all, but to me, the real art is how he got the bottom of the points to turn out like this:
 

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how can cue prices be justified? In todays economy you would think pricing would go down or at least stabalize...is a 6 point bb with no inlays really worth 8k?? Or a dufferin bought from walmart, then given to searing for a "conversion" price...2500.00?? Really? I just don't get it. Don't get me wrong i have had some expensive cues, and sure some play great and look very nice, but some of the prices i am seeing seem a bit skewed. If you spend 6k and get the cue straight from the cue maker, should you ever be able to feel the rings?? I don't think so! Anyway...feel free to share some stories, both good and bad about pricing and quality...;)

i agree, thats why i stay off the buy/sell now. I can;t even afford a sneaky on there.
 
The economy is roaring for the top 1% who can afford to buy high end items.

Hey, there's a big camp-out in Portland, Oregon you should join...;)

I think Lisa said it well...I wanted a good looking custom in the traditional style that plays well, but doesn't make you think of having an armed guard when you play with it. I think that's why Lisa & I both like our Josey cues..
 
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