curving an object ball....
- Thread starter John Brumback
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... not at fast speeds (on most equipment). For more info, see the articles on the pocket effective size resource page.
However, there are advantages to using fast speed on bank shots, even when you don't need to shorten or curve the rebound.
Regards,
Dave
PS: John, I still plan to film a video looking at how post-rebound curve changes with angle, speed, and conditions, but I was distracted by other things this weekend, and I have a busy week ahead. But it is on my list, so it will get done. Thanks again for posting your video.
You can't say that on this forum or the speed cops will give you a ticket. I.e. my post where I ask if stroke made a difference.
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I'd like to see Darren Appleton try the exam. Bet he could nail it.
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Correct. Most good bankers (like John :thumbup
In post #55 he said it works on all shots.
Wrong again bud. In real simple terms.....It makes the pocket,( all pockets on a pool table)!! play bigger than they really are!! Does not matter one bit which pocket or which angle. John B.
Here's a little list right off the top of my head who have bought my dvds.I wish some of you could ask these guys what they thought about my banking method. 
Alex P. John Morra, Jayson Shaw, Neils F. DA, Scott Frost,Shannon D.Cory D. Max E. And almost every top player that has been to the DCC or Tunica :thumbup: John B.
Alex P. John Morra, Jayson Shaw, Neils F. DA, Scott Frost,Shannon D.Cory D. Max E. And almost every top player that has been to the DCC or Tunica :thumbup: John B.
A couple of comments:
Yes, the side pockets are friendlier than the corners for bending the ball because a side
pocket is actually 2 pockets by its design. More specifically the side pockets represent 2 right angles where each corner is one right angle. So the pockets are easier from that perspective.
A corner pocket and bending for the objects ball? Let's say you have a bank cross the corner to where you have the option for a slow pass over shot or a Passover option that can be hit with more speed with low outside for drawing the CB to or 3 rails out.
The softer shot provides a nice pocket opening for sure but another option is with speed/low outside.....this option allows the object ball to come in with top spin pararrel to the rail....It is as if the OB fights to get into the corner pocket.
Given the two shots....for betting....I will take the bend as that shot is almost automatic.
For the low outside shot, The cue ball is drawn 2 rails out into the table and the shot is basic passover route for the CB.
Stan Shuffett
Yes, the side pockets are friendlier than the corners for bending the ball because a side
pocket is actually 2 pockets by its design. More specifically the side pockets represent 2 right angles where each corner is one right angle. So the pockets are easier from that perspective.
A corner pocket and bending for the objects ball? Let's say you have a bank cross the corner to where you have the option for a slow pass over shot or a Passover option that can be hit with more speed with low outside for drawing the CB to or 3 rails out.
The softer shot provides a nice pocket opening for sure but another option is with speed/low outside.....this option allows the object ball to come in with top spin pararrel to the rail....It is as if the OB fights to get into the corner pocket.
Given the two shots....for betting....I will take the bend as that shot is almost automatic.
For the low outside shot, The cue ball is drawn 2 rails out into the table and the shot is basic passover route for the CB.
Stan Shuffett
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Stan . I wonder how many hours you and I have played..banks,one pocket,and 9ball??
I'm betting it's been over the 100 mark. John B.
The way you've written all your post is that your "method" makes all the pockets "bigger". And on the video you posted, the cross side, it does make the pocket bigger.....literally.
But on the straight backs and cross cross corners the pocket literally gets smaller when holding it up.
Now if you have different meaning for "bigger" then maybe you should clarify......like a player will have a truer stroke if hitting it harder or the OB will have a more friendlier rotation when approaching the pocket or whatever.
But on "paper", they don't get literally bigger except on the side pockets.
Nah,they just play bigger is all. Sorry for the confusion about my wording.I play and teach better than I write.
John B.Well over a hundred without question in my thinking......I really miss those days. I count them as among my very favorite hard playing sessions.
Stan Shuffett
Nah,they just play bigger is all. Sorry for the confusion about my wording.I play and teach better than I write.
Hi John! Are you saying the pockets play bigger because the spin you put of the object ball allows it to kill or spin off the facing of the pocket? Kind of like shooting a a ball down the rail with outside allows it to "spin in" off the facing? I could very well be wrong but I'm curious!
Congrats on the Derby Title!
Looks like I need to buy the DVDs. You should come to the Big Tyme Classic in Houston at the end of March. There is a Banks and One Pocket invitational! The Calcutta is pretty massive too.
I think "they just play bigger" means that you have a higher make percentage at faster speed than you do at slower speeds. And this is obviously true since most top bankers use fast speed on most banks. Even mere mortals who haven't put in the playing time you guys have can improve their bank make-percentage with fast speed if they practice with it some.Nah,they just play bigger is all. Sorry for the confusion about my wording.I play and teach better than I write.
For those interested, some of the reasons why fast speed helps make the "pockets play bigger" for banks are described on the advantages of fast speed banks resource page.
Regards,
Dave
I think it should be noted when playing one pocket on a tight table or in general that pocket speed (provided the cue ball is getting safe) is best way.