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JoeyInCali said:
Predator does. :p
Hit with a Bender, Petersen, Hagan, Zylr or a Scruggs sneaky.
You might be convinced some cues do really hit pretty darn good. :D


LOL...yeah right about the Predator.

I'm sure they do hit good, and IMO I've played with a few that already have.
But are the ones that you mentioned going to make me blow a nut from the hit? If so, I'll take a dozen. If not, they at least better be perfect aesthetically if I'm going to spend 2-4 grand.

Can you lend me one of the above to try out? :D
 
cueman said:
Yes they are short splice. Nit picking the inside veneers is very extreme in my opinion.

Well...since it's MY money, I think I'm allowed to nitpick all I want. I have to comepletely agree with Joe, where else is there compromises? To steal a quote "In a world of compromise, some don't" that's where my money will be going...is to those that don't.

The third core vale of the Air Force is "Excellence in all we do", I wholeheartedly believe in this. Maybe that's why I "nitpick".

Jim
 
Rick said:
Hi guys I keep reading how long the wait is for certain cuemakers like Hercek, mottey, southwest, bluegrass, Josswest, Shick, etc. Do these cues actually play better than cuemakers that take much less time or is it the fact that they have such a great name in the business that it is desirable to have and show one off. I know one reason is the resale value but to buy one usually costs more. I see on ebay that some rather plain looking sticks from these cuemakers sell for 2000 and up. I currently have a Phillippi cue that I love. How does his cuemaking compare to some of the ones I mentioned
Three years ago a cue collector who knows and owns a lot of cues said he could tell a cue by its hit.The pool hall owner said he couldnt,so he got us to lend him our cues,he put brown paper over mostof it ,the guy tried all the cues,5 customs 2 production,he not only couldnt tell which was which,he picked the joss as having the best hit.Its alot like the coke,pepsi taste test.
 
jhendri2 said:
Well...since it's MY money, I think I'm allowed to nitpick all I want. I have to comepletely agree with Joe, where else is there compromises? To steal a quote "In a world of compromise, some don't" that's where my money will be going...is to those that don't.

The third core vale of the Air Force is "Excellence in all we do", I wholeheartedly believe in this. Maybe that's why I "nitpick".

Jim

Jim,
Thanks.. but I am with Chris here. The inside veneers are extremely tough and almost impossible to keep in line. The only cues that are very close to having perfectly aligned interior veneers are the triple milled and recut style points. Even those are tough.

But I agree with you, its your money and if you don't like something, don't buy it. If you think a cue is suspect best thing to do is pass on it and move on.

Joe
 
classiccues said:
Chris,
I don't know who you know that builds short splices but that person should give up cuemaking. That being said, YES it is quality if points are EVEN. It takes talent to make the points line up without the use of markers, or even compromising the internal integrity. It is also a sign of QUALITY if the veneers don't have gaps in them. I am not related to anyone that invented neckties but I absolutely am entitled to buy cues where the cuemaker actually took the time to build a nice cue, as opposed to some hack that made uneven, gappy points. What that tells me in the cue is MORE suspect because if he short cutted the asthetics God knows what else he short cutted in my cue.

Joe (---people who wear neckties should not operate lathes :)

Sorry Joe, I didn't mean to put you out. This is the post I was refering to. I'm not trying to start a war. I'm just tired of excuses for compromise.

Again please accept my sincerest apologies.

Jim
 
jhendri2 said:
Sorry Joe, I didn't mean to put you out. This is the post I was refering to. I'm not trying to start a war. I'm just tired of excuses for compromise.

Again please accept my sincerest apologies.

Jim

Jim,
No apologies necessary as I think we have a little misscomunicado...
I think spliced points should be within 1/16 +/- of one another. What I mean by that is if you made a circle around the cue at one point, the other points should vary no more than that 1/16. This is still a pretty leniant tolerance. But the interior points, are almost impossible to maintain. I have seen perfect points tips but the interior points haven't been close.

Joe
 
Speaking of Palmer. A good friend of mine, who played pool at 18 and stopped entirely, and is now at over 50 found his old Palmer while cleaning out his attic. The case was dusty but inside were two nice looking shafts and a mint butt. He asked me if it was worth anything. I told him that I had no idea. He has no use for it and I love my Schon, so I don't want it. If anyone feels this is a collectors item let me know price range so I can stop him from dumping it in a lawn sale.
 
pete lafond said:
let me know price range so I can stop him from dumping it in a lawn sale.
It's worth about $50, where and when can I find this yard sale? :cool:
 
pete lafond said:
Speaking of Palmer. A good friend of mine, who played pool at 18 and stopped entirely, and is now at over 50 found his old Palmer while cleaning out his attic. The case was dusty but inside were two nice looking shafts and a mint butt. He asked me if it was worth anything. I told him that I had no idea. He has no use for it and I love my Schon, so I don't want it. If anyone feels this is a collectors item let me know price range so I can stop him from dumping it in a lawn sale.

Post some pics...

Range: 50 - 4000

Joe
 
cueman said:
Some put their point blank onto the handle after turning it all the way down. Very few of those cue roll perfectly straight, but have nice even points.
Chris
I beg to differ.
 
pete lafond said:
I spoke with him today. He'll send pictures later and I'll post them.

Here's the picture.
 

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pete lafond said:
Here's the picture.

That cue is a model B from the second catalog. Unfortunately its a lower end cue and if I listed it I would list it around 450.00

Joe
 
nit pick, please

classiccues said:
Jim,
Thanks.. but I am with Chris here. The inside veneers are extremely tough and almost impossible to keep in line. The only cues that are very close to having perfectly aligned interior veneers are the triple milled and recut style points. Even those are tough.

But I agree with you, its your money and if you don't like something, don't buy it. If you think a cue is suspect best thing to do is pass on it and move on.

Joe

Ok guys,I must disagree with you Joe and also Chris on inter-points being impossible. Joe, I assume your making that assumption and maybe you have never built a cue.

Judging from your post, you must be saying that most, if not all your cuemakers can not get there points even. I'll bet you whatever, I could teach you in less than a day, and the points would be lined up, inside as well as outside. Tripple milled, please.......not nessesary if you know your stuff....

I had trouble when I first started, later, I learned how.[ many screw ups later I finaly had it down patt]...It's tough, but not as bad as most think.

If any qualified cuemaker knows his stuff, the outer-points line up as well as the inter-points, and it's not to tough to do.

It's all in the "SET UP" from turning the tapered front, to cutting the vee's, and holding things square while turn cutting, and finaly the finish cut. I will not send a cue out that's not within a pencile width for line up. If it can't be adjusted and look great, I, scrap it and build another one. Years back, I didn't scrap them. [Sure wish I had those not so even, pointed cues, back].

Most guys move the rear-end of the front, to square up the points at the nose end. This is wrong, and won't work. Move the nose a little and take a fine and thin cut. If it's still lined up, your ok, if not make your adjustments, try again, if not in alignment, scrap it, and start over.

However, by moving either end, can cause you big problems.You can have the rear end of the veneer points looking bad. What i'm saying, is the wood stock "BETWEEN" the veneers is off. One side will be say, .100 thds. the other will be .150 or better. This looks bad. Meaning that the cue was turn-cut "OFF CENTER"....All the points should be the same. The top of the points, the inter-points, the width of the expossed wood between the points at the top of the wrap area should be the same width also.

If you have the same amount of material at the cross section of the back end of the front, [same thickness on all 4 sides], and you maintain it on center, then make sure your glue is not to thick in one vee or to thin in another, and your veneers are of the same thickness, and your inter- part, is the same, it will turn cut perfectly.

There's a lot of "IF's" here but again, "IF" you do it right and hold everthing close, you should have no problem, maintaining inter or outer points even.

NOTE!, Just using to much glue in one cavity will cause that veneer and inter part to be off, [shorter] more than the others. Turn cutting on a taper, will cause you all kinds of problems, if your not carfull.Turn cut the front and glue up the points the same day will help. Attach the handle and turn cut, paint, wrap, compound and collect the cash...........

Would be happy to teach either of you guys.

blud
 
Rick said:
Thanks for some great input and knowledge. Only one person answered the second part of my question. Could I maybe get some input on the cuemakeing ability on Phillippi.


Phillippi cues are notorious for stealing cue designs; they seem to see something they like and copy the design, for that reason many people I know don't like their work. Also they seem to want to cram to many inlays into the cue catering to the people who equate lots of inlays with value. I'm not a fan of their work and have never shot with one, I can tell you resale on them is tough, if you like the cue enjoy it for what it is.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
Phillippi cues are notorious for stealing cue designs; they seem to see something they like and copy the design, for that reason many people I know don't like their work. Also they seem to want to cram to many inlays into the cue catering to the people who equate lots of inlays with value. I'm not a fan of their work and have never shot with one, I can tell you resale on them is tough, if you like the cue enjoy it for what it is.

Jim

JimBo, I have never heard anybody say that Phillippi steals others designs. Almost all the cue makers build cues with some similarities. I am also familiar with Richard and Ricks work. I live in the area. I have bought and sold many of them. Some play great and some so, so. The rage now is Black Boar. I had one and didn't like it. My favorite playing cue is a Dave Kikel. I just picked up a Bludworth Connoisseur cue that feels the same. Great balance and play ability. I have a 1990 Phillippi that plays sweet also. This really is no place to bash a cuemakers product. The guy asked a question. You have never played with one, so how can you provide an answer?
Purdman
 
Play of cues.

I have used Phillipi cues, the are certainly okay. My best playing cue is by far is a PFD cue. I have Black, Palmer, Muecci, Hagan, Gilbert, Rambow, DP and just picked up a new Shurtz.

The Hagan cue is awesome hitting cue, I cannot get out of my head why this guy isnt making cues.......what a waste.

What I have seen out of Southwest cues are that quality is marginal at best, and play good. The price is okay, If the wait is legitiment, I tend to think is some kind of scam.

What the hell is up with Bill Hagan?

Regards
ken
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
JimBo, I have never heard anybody say that Phillippi steals others designs. Almost all the cue makers build cues with some similarities. I am also familiar with Richard and Ricks work. I live in the area. I have bought and sold many of them. Some play great and some so, so. The rage now is Black Boar. I had one and didn't like it. My favorite playing cue is a Dave Kikel. I just picked up a Bludworth Connoisseur cue that feels the same. Great balance and play ability. I have a 1990 Phillippi that plays sweet also. This really is no place to bash a cuemakers product. The guy asked a question. You have never played with one, so how can you provide an answer?
Purdman

Purdman,

I have to agree with JimBo here, Phillippi blatantly rips off designs from other cuemakers. They have done it for years. I have owned several Philippi's and all but one played very well. There are a lot of people that like their cues. I just have a problem with them stealing a design idea. It's not like they see a design and come up with a new idea from that design, they will duplicate the design exactly. To me, that shows no creativity or class.
 
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