Cyclop Some Facts

[Cuebuddy]

First of all I would like to say thanks to AZ member nancewayne for the great deal and fast shipping on these pool balls. Wayne made this deal amazingly easy with a personal touch I did not expect. Before I ordered the balls he gave me his number and asked if I would call him to make sure he new what I needed.

Wayne was easy to talk to and it was clear to see we had much in common. I would not hesitate buying pool related items from Wayne.
Thanks again Wayne!



Now to the balls.

I have Brunswick Centennials and Aramith Super Pro balls that I have shot with for years.
The Super Pros were bought new when I purchased my Diamond Pro about mid 2008.
The Centennials were used for about six years before that on a Olhausen 9ftr.

Just for fun I decided to measure and weigh these while they are new so I could tell how much they wear as I use them.
Unfortunately I did not do this test with my other ball set so there will be no real comparison to the other sets(at least for now).

These measurements were taken with a accurate scale and a tested Micrometer.

Cue ball 170.7 grams 2.250
One ball 169.3 grams 2.248
Two ball 169.5 grams 2.248
Three ball 168.9 grams 2.247
Four ball 168.7 grams 2.247
Five ball 168.9 grams 2.248
Six ball 168.4 grams 2.248
Seven ball 168.7 grams 2.248
Eight ball 169.1 grams 2.248
Nine ball 168.6 grams 2.246
Ten ball 168.7 grams 2.246
Eleven ball 168.6 grams 2.247
Twelve ball 168.8 grams 2.247
Thirteen ball 169.3 grams 2.247
Fourteen ball 168.8 grams 2.248
Fifteen ball 168.8 grams 2.248

 

[the chicken]

Tanks for the info. I mean, thanks a lot - this is really good info.

How 'bout graphing these numbers in a scatter plot and include mean, average and standard deviation (for all of us lazy birds).

Can you also provide a grams to ounce conversion?

Are you going to record how many hours the balls are played as they age?

Please let us know the type of game played most often with these balls. I'm curious to know if, for example, playing nine ball causes the one ball and cue ball to change in any way compared to other balls.

Thanks, and hope to hear from you on a regular basis so we can see how these numbers change over time.

Also (sorry), what kind of cloth do you have on the table (4-1/2 x 9?) and how old is it. Hey! If you're going to keep track of the numbers, might as well include the whole shebang - right?

If nine ball is your game of choice, do you have any idea of your break speed? Any guess if this might affect how the balls age (especially the one ball)?

In thinking about the OP (a really good idea), wondering if any Colorado University cue wizards have any data of this type?

Now that I think about it, kind of surprised the ball manufacturer's don't have a ton of this data available for their products.

Shoot safe.

John

 

[leto1776]

Tanks for the info. I mean, thanks a lot - this is really good info.

How 'bout graphing these numbers in a scatter plot and include mean, average and standard deviation (for all of us lazy birds).

Can you also provide a grams to ounce conversion?

Are you going to record how many hours the balls are played as they age?

Please let us know the type of game played most often with these balls. I'm curious to know if, for example, playing nine ball causes the one ball and cue ball to change in any way compared to other balls.

Thanks, and hope to hear from you on a regular basis so we can see how these numbers change over time.

Also (sorry), what kind of cloth do you have on the table (4-1/2 x 9?) and how old is it. Hey! If you're going to keep track of the numbers, might as well include the whole shebang - right?

If nine ball is your game of choice, do you have any idea of your break speed? Any guess if this might affect how the balls age (especially the one ball)?

In thinking about the OP (a really good idea), wondering if any Colorado University cue wizards have any data of this type?

Now that I think about it, kind of surprised the ball manufacturer's don't have a ton of this data available for their products.

Shoot safe.

John

Because the vast majority of consumers just aren't that nitpicky, and don't care.

 

[Underclocked]

The Cyclops cue ball that I had opportunity to weigh was exactly 6.00 ounces. Converting your measurement, I get 6.02x ounces. I would say that's within scale tolerance.

 

[mattb]

When first purchased mine were all exactly the same including cue ball. I like mine and started using them exclusively and instead of all the other premium sets I own. I do not plan to go back to something else at this time.

 

[Cuebuddy]

QUOTE=the chicken;4830015]Tanks for the info. I mean, thanks a lot - this is really good info.

How 'bout graphing these numbers in a scatter plot and include mean, average and standard deviation (for all of us lazy birds).

No plots or charts......I am one of those birds.

Can you also provide a grams to ounce conversion?

Yes I could.

Are you going to record how many hours the balls are played as they age?

Yes, but it will be a "loose" estimate.

Please let us know the type of game played most often with these balls. I'm curious to know if, for example, playing nine ball causes the one ball and cue ball to change in any way compared to other balls.

I play many games including Einstein nine, Nine ball, Eight ball, 14:1 and banks.
And yes the balls that are played the most wear the most so if someone practices Nine ball you could in time probably figure out his average run by measuring the balls weight or diameter.

Thanks, and hope to hear from you on a regular basis so we can see how these numbers change over time.

Also (sorry), what kind of cloth do you have on the table (4-1/2 x 9?) and how old is it. Hey! If you're going to keep track of the numbers, might as well include the whole shebang - right?

Diamond Pro with Simonis 860 that was installed by RKC in June of 2008.
I use Masters and Blue Diamond chalk.
The balls I measured are Skittles.
I clean the cloth regularly.

If nine ball is your game of choice, do you have any idea of your break speed? Any guess if this might affect how the balls age (especially the one ball)?

My break speeds are not great.
My fastest ever was 24.4 and I average around 21.2

In thinking about the OP (a really good idea), wondering if any Colorado University cue wizards have any data of this type?

I would hope nobody else would waste as much time as I do.

Now that I think about it, kind of surprised the ball manufacturer's don't have a ton of this data available for their products.

Shoot safe.

John[/QUOTE]

 

[Cuebuddy]

The Cyclops cue ball that I had opportunity to weigh was exactly 6.00 ounces. Converting your measurement, I get 6.02x ounces. I would say that's within scale tolerance.

These balls are incredibly close to each other in both measurements. Weighing them with this helps to see the variation much clearer.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I did the same with my new super aramith pro balls when they were new 5 yrs ago. I have a graph of each ball somewhere here in az land. I also used very precise measurement tools. A starrett 2-3" micrometer and a nice scale in the $500 price range. I'll have to find that post somewhere.

 

[Cuebuddy]

I did the same with my new super aramith pro balls when they were new 5 yrs ago. I have a graph of each ball somewhere here in az land. I also used very precise measurement tools. A starrett 2-3" micrometer and a nice scale in the $500 price range. I'll have to find that post somewhere.

Yes, I would like to check it out.
I cross measured the cue ball with Starrett vernier caliper and they came out the same.
I also took these measurements from the same poles of the balls and even spun and measured again checking for true roundness and the were nearly perfect.
I have a analytical balance but of course that is over kill.
As was stated earlier> Because the vast majority of consumers just aren't that nitpicky, and don't care.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Yes, I would like to check it out.
I cross measured the cue ball with Starrett vernier caliper and they came out the same.
I also took these measurements from the same poles of the balls and even spun and measured again checking for true roundness and the were nearly perfect.
I have a analytical balance but of course that is over kill.
As was stated earlier> Because the vast majority of consumers just aren't that nitpicky, and don't care.

I'll find it and post to this thread. One comment, measuring the ball across multiple diameters using a micrometer with two contact surfaces does not show the sphericity of the ball. The ball could in fact measure exactly the same on each measured diameter, and not be spherical.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Here are my measurements of the Super Aramith Pro Value set (came with Rempe CB). I don't have enough information on my diameter measurements to know if the variations are due to measuring variability, or actual ball variability. The mass measurements were all performed twice, that is why there are two values per ball.

 

[leto1776]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know why the cue balls in the skittles/ TV set have a different logo than the traditional set Cyclop balls? Here's the logo on the trad set cue ball:

 

[Cuebuddy]

Here are my measurements of the Super Aramith Pro Value set (came with Rempe CB). I don't have enough information on my diameter measurements to know if the variations are due to measuring variability, or actual ball variability. The mass measurements were all performed twice, that is why there are two values per ball.

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Great info, I will compare numbers after work. Thanks.

 

[stljohnny]

In the OP, notice how the CB is sometimes 2 grams (and change) heavier than the object balls. No wonder people complain about the ball not drawing and/or wanting to run a little long. Geez.

 

[RFranklin]

In the OP, notice how the CB is sometimes 2 grams (and change) heavier than the object balls. No wonder people complain about the ball not drawing and/or wanting to run a little long. Geez.

That is a tiny variance and fraction (1.2%) of the lightest ball so I dont think that would make a huge difference in feel. We are talking grams not ounces and there are almost 30 grams in an ounce. I would think the cleanliness of the balls and table and/or humidity in the room would make a bigger difference than what equates to less than one penny of weight.

 

[Cuebuddy]

That is a tiny variance and fraction (1.2%) of the lightest ball so I dont think that would make a huge difference in feel. We are talking grams not ounces and there are almost 30 grams in an ounce. I would think the cleanliness of the balls and table and/or humidity in the room would make a bigger difference than what equates to less than one penny of weight.

I would agree.
There is a difference and I am sure it will have an effect on how the CB reacts but would it be discernible to us on the table? IMHO no.

I would also think that the CB will wear the fastest as long as it is made from the same materials because it rolls the most and has the most abrasive life on the table.

 

[watchez]

I miscued twice with the cyclops cue ball out in Vega$. I can't remember the last time I miscued.

 

[Tikkitavi]

I opened a new set of Brunswick Centennial Balls and measured them using a Mitutoyo Digital Micrometer and Rice Lake precision scale. I thought it would be nice to reference to a set that had been used in a commercial environment. I went to the local Pool Room and measured a random set of Centennials. Here are the findings:

New Set ****** Used Set
cb 2.24520 167.3g ****** 2.22730 163.3g
1 2.24855 168.2g ****** 2.23105 163.9g
2 2.24815 168.5g ****** 2.22665 163.5g
3 2.24815 167.5g ****** 2.23200 165.6g
4 2.24810 167.8g ****** 2.22380 162.0g
5 2.24865 167.2g ****** 2.22825 163.8g
6 2.24775 167.3g ****** 2.23195 164.7g
7 2.24940 167.8g ****** 2.22100 162.2g
8 2.24705 168.3g ****** 2.23215 164.9g
9 2.24830 168.9g ****** 2.22265 162.5g
10 2.24855 167.4g ****** 2.23175 165.8g
11 2.24760 167.7g ****** 2.23115 164.2g
12 2.24845 167.7g ****** 2.22915 164.5g
13 2.24900 168.6g ****** 2.23855 165.9g
14 2.24775 167.6g ****** 2.23490 165.4g
15 2.24910 167.6g ****** 2.23950 165.8g

 

[gcdugas]

I opened a new set of Brunswick Centennial Balls and measured them using a Mitutoyo Digital Micrometer and Rice Lake precision scale. I thought it would be nice to reference to a set that had been used in a commercial environment. I went to the local Pool Room and measured a random set of Centennials. Here are the findings:

New Set ****** Used Set
cb 2.24520 167.3g ****** 2.22730 163.3g
1 2.24855 168.2g ****** 2.23105 163.9g
2 2.24815 168.5g ****** 2.22665 163.5g
3 2.24815 167.5g ****** 2.23200 165.6g
4 2.24810 167.8g ****** 2.22380 162.0g
5 2.24865 167.2g ****** 2.22825 163.8g
6 2.24775 167.3g ****** 2.23195 164.7g
7 2.24940 167.8g ****** 2.22100 162.2g
8 2.24705 168.3g ****** 2.23215 164.9g
9 2.24830 168.9g ****** 2.22265 162.5g
10 2.24855 167.4g ****** 2.23175 165.8g
11 2.24760 167.7g ****** 2.23115 164.2g
12 2.24845 167.7g ****** 2.22915 164.5g
13 2.24900 168.6g ****** 2.23855 165.9g
14 2.24775 167.6g ****** 2.23490 165.4g
15 2.24910 167.6g ****** 2.23950 165.8g

For those out there who think this is of little consequence, think about this example... using the new set, take the largest diameter ball (the 7 ball) and place it in the center and then take the six smallest balls (2,3,6,8,11,14) and try to make them form a ring around the larger middle ball (like a rack for the game 7-ball)... there will be a perceptible gap between the first and last of the smaller balls of the "outer ring".

 

[BogeyFree]

In the real world I don't think any of this matters at all but I guess it's still fun to talk about.