You and usedtoberich outta get along great. BTW, when was last time u played on one 'cause once the blues came out the short banks went away. They are faster than GC's, Diamond is up front on this and says that is because their rail design is stiffer and more consistent. Maybe i'm just REALLY good but it takes all of about 20shots to get used to a table. If a player can't adjust then they just suck pretty much.
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It is more consistent, and banks “truer” than other rails IMO. What I find really comical is the founder, Greg is from Kentucky, and was once quite a bank pool player. You’re also spot on regarding adjusting to a table, inability to adjust to conditions is very telling about a players abilities.
D'mond uses rails that are laminated like a butcher block, very strong and stiffer than solid one-piece rails like most tables that use wood for the rails. The reason older D's banked short was because the subrail angle was off and they fixed that(helped by rkc) on the blue labels.
I’m playing the best pool of my life, and it’s almost exclusively on diamonds these days.
Still doesn’t mean the rails and pockets aren’t garbage.
Let me ask you… Diamond claims the pros designed the tables. Which pro on the planet in 1993 thought the rails on the diamond then were worth a shit? Certainly not archer who was the best in the world.
Diamond says that because they could never figure out how to make it play proper. The blues are just as bouncy as the reds. Hardly any difference. Any other brand, even junk furniture tables, the bounce is much more muted.
Sullivan even wanted to make a simonis 960 cloth to slow the bounce. Remember that? Ha ha ha. Rather than fix his rails.
A room I opened early 90's with a Coke Headed Harvard graduate....
This room had the first shipment of red label Diamond 9' come to CO.
Installed by Diamonds set up crew.... Tonys Hustlers, We had at least 16 new nine footers half dozen bar tables, and one ten footer.
My partner, had left his office open by mistake the night I did my drop. ($)
I looked in, the lights were left on, and lines of coke on his desk.
I dear john ed em with a letter, did my drop and Never looked back or talked to em.
Red Label Diamonds....
The rail nose height was raised, it ''pinched" the obj. ball causing it to Not bank properly AT ALL.
You had to Pound em like Brumback to gain any type of control over a simple lag cross side or cross corner bank.
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Actually the nose height was correct, the issue was the subrail angle caused the upper surface of the cushion to be at too steep an angle causing the short banks/kicks. RKC worked with them to change the SR angle and the result was in 2010 the Blue labels came out.
No they didn't. Blues play short by ~20% on 1 rail. 2 track 3 rail is off my half a diamond. I play on blue diamonds all the time. 800 match games in the past 3 years.
Yeah thx Zar I now do remember that reason.
Also.... for those tables, they came with rakes but no hardware. ??????
I made rake holders for all the 9 footers.
Drilled a 1/2 hole in one leg, inserted a dowel peg.
Lay the handle on the peg, rake on the carpet.
Rich loved it, because it only cost $2 a peg and free labor, his dna loved it even more.
He could drink Cuervo Gold tequila Shots at 1:30 in the am..... with the bar patrol and was never groggy in the am.
Also.... for those tables, they came with rakes but no hardware. ??????
I made rake holders for all the 9 footers.
Drilled a 1/2 hole in one leg, inserted a dowel peg.
Lay the handle on the peg, rake on the carpet.
Rich loved it, because it only cost $2 a peg and free labor, his dna loved it even more.
He could drink Cuervo Gold tequila Shots at 1:30 in the am..... with the bar patrol and was never groggy in the am.
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I don’t believe Garzar ever had me on ignore. He’s flip flopped on that about 30 times in the past 10 years.
All due to the diamond bounce. Ha ha.
The wind up is we both fundamentally agree that very tough equipment makes pool boring to watch. Chinese 8 ball tables that remove all the power shots close to a rail. And by extension, diamond tables with 4” pockets and mile deep slate.
I want pool to grow. Not turn 1 pocket specialty tables into every 9 ball banger’s “dream table”, under some bs pretense that they will either get better playing on it, or beat a “luck box” player on it.
All due to the diamond bounce. Ha ha.
The wind up is we both fundamentally agree that very tough equipment makes pool boring to watch. Chinese 8 ball tables that remove all the power shots close to a rail. And by extension, diamond tables with 4” pockets and mile deep slate.
I want pool to grow. Not turn 1 pocket specialty tables into every 9 ball banger’s “dream table”, under some bs pretense that they will either get better playing on it, or beat a “luck box” player on it.
Thanks for weighing in. I’ve played on plenty-I hated all of them. Been playing nearly 50 years at a hobby level although when I was younger, I could get out as good as most smaller town players. I owned a diamond home version Arkansas model when they first started. Spent a pile on just the floor of that table room in a brand new custom home I had built around 2002ish.
Table played terrible, slates wouldn’t be still - awful experience with the company. I understand they were a new company but they were supposed to be the best and I paid way up and bought directly from them.
Have owned brunswicks, olhausens, valleys and have played on about everything ever made. My home room that I can walk to from my home has new diamonds.
I understand they are americas top choice. I respect that and am thankful that Greg Sullivan has done so much for pool.
And yes I can adjust and yes I still suck.
They bank short….period. It’s just a fact. Everyone agrees to that. They are too bouncy. That’s a fact too. You mentioned that yourself. And they just play way too fast for me.
This is a forum. I have an opinion. You have an opinion.
I hate them. Would rather play on most any brand than a diamond.
Thx
True!
I love Gold Crowns...and Valleys, and Diamonds.
I have owned a Diamond 9ftr since 2007. I have bought 2, 7 ft Diamonds and one Valley in the last 3 years.
So I guess I love Diamonds more, and yes a lot more.
Even if Diamonds are a fad
Everybody is doing it.
Everybodys doing it.
There's a lot of guys doing it.
Lot of guys doing it.
Only one table can be the best.
I have owned a Diamond 9ftr since 2007. I have bought 2, 7 ft Diamonds and one Valley in the last 3 years.
So I guess I love Diamonds more, and yes a lot more.
Even if Diamonds are a fad
Everybody is doing it.
Everybodys doing it.
There's a lot of guys doing it.
Lot of guys doing it.
Only one table can be the best.
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