Dallas West

He was a great example for me and I'll always admire his character as a Professional



Dallas West was a truly top notch player. I went to a bar table tournament in Clinton Iowa when I was 17 years old and EVERYONE was there, Sigel, Hopkins, Hall, Mizerak, Louie Roberts, Jimmy Reid, LA KEITH, Rempe, etc.

I was road partners with Omaha John - John got the semis and had to play Dallas West....Dallas ran the set out on John (9 and out, and looked like he could run 20) to get to the finals against Buddy Hall.

Buddy refused to play Dallas on the same table and I believe Buddy beat Dallas in the Finals. I'm not 100% on the details, but I am POSITIVE Dallas ran that 9 and OUT.....he was a brutally strong player, and Straight Pool was his best game if I remember correctly.

Dallas was also one of the those "old school" players that had a intense presence....he could make a chill go down your spine if you weren't extremely confident with yourself. ;) At 17 years old he made me nervous, and I wasn't scared of much. :eek:

I ended up spending time with DALLAS in Hong Kong playing on the same team representing the USA with Mark Wilson and Earl Strickland and Dallas was a charismatic man, a true gentleman and I can't say enough about how well he dressed and carried himself.....he was a great example for me (growing up), and I'll always admire his stellar image as a true professional.
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Met him in his room in Loves Park during a break from a business trip. Dropped a name or two and he simply put me into the fold. Very nice man.

Always dressed to the "T". Similar to Frank Torres.
Meet any of these 2 folks and you're instantly long lost friends.

Name dropping isn't required.
 
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This, from a couple of years ago:

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Well, I finally did it and got my 14.1 lesson with the great Dallas West.

Just by way of background: I got some Accu-Stats 1pocket DVDs for Christmas this past year from my wife. But the gift that really got me was a series of small boxes she had individually wrapped and then strung together. She insisted I open them in order.

The first was a gift certificate that she had personally made up on the computer, complete with graphics, that entitled me to gas money to the city of Rockford, IL. The second box, also with artwork, had another gift certificate, valid for dinner at any restaurant in Rockford. The third was another gift certificate with a photo of a Marriott property in Rockford and good for a one night stay. And the final box held, surprise, one last certificate. It had on it a color picture of Dallas West and was good for "One Pool Lesson with Dallas West."

Apparently, sometime during the last year I had said over dinner that one day I'd love to get a 14.1 lesson from Dallas West, up in Illinois, or perhaps Ray Martin, if I was ever out in Florida again. She had figured out where Dallas was and put together the boxes for my gift. (Sorry about that, Ray.)

As a 14.1 aficionado, I have always considered Dallas to be one of the Straight Pool Greats, with a very pure 14.1 style. Even back on RSB, his name would occasionally come up and I recall discussing a Dallas West vs. Nick Varner match with Grady commenting and relating that Dallas got so good at 14.1 by repeatedly throwing three balls on the table and then practicing getting on a break shot.

Back at the 2000 DCC I actually got a chance to play the great man himself, in the 1pocket division. And, if you ever get a chance to see the Accu-Stats Grady/Varner match, you may catch a glimpse of me playing Dallas on an adjoining table. He beat me 3-2 (I had him 2-1!). Dallas was gracious in victory and provided me with what was probably the highlight of the tournament for me personally. Now admittedly, he may say this to all the girls, but as we were shaking hands after the match he said, "I really like your game. I was lucky to beat you." For a guy that came up playing straight pool and idolized the 14.1 gods, that meant a lot coming from a World Champion Hall of Fame guy like Dallas. That same year, at the 2000 US Open 14.1 Championship in NYC, I was repeatedly drawn to his matches and watched him play and defeat Ginky and John Schmidt and lose to Efren.

And so, with the help of Duane Tuula (thanks, Duane!) and subsequently Dallas’ son, I was eventually able to get in personal contact with Dallas and set up a lesson in Rockford. As I spoke to him on the phone I told him that my basic idea was not to spend much time on basics, but rather let me pop a rack wide open, start a run, and have him talk me through the shots, position, and racks, explaining why one shot should be selected over another.

So on a Monday morning about three weeks ago, I met Dallas and his wife, Shirley, at the Rockford Denny’s and we sat and chatted a bit. Dallas is still as gentlemanly and cordial as ever and over coffee he explained to me that he doesn’t shoot much anymore, having had an eye operation to insert a lens that didn’t quite take -- he said that nowadays he has difficulty focusing out past six feet. We drove out to his studio in a converted barracks out near the Rockford Airport. An old Brunswick table with clay style balls, and true to my request, he had me set up a break ball and that’s were the fun started.

I asked him about break ball theory and asked him to set up the balls for his ideal break situation. And he showed me the set up and where he wanted to go into the stack. That alone was worth a lot. From there we went off to discuss break balls in general: do you prefer a higher or lower break ball (higher); all things being equal will you chose a poorer break ball on the left side in lieu of a better position on the right side (right side); do you play for break balls underneath the rack (no, it sends too many balls up table); do you favor follow or draw for your break shots (draw, to a surprising degree).

And then we had a chuckle when I asked him what he thought of the side pocket break, popular at Bob’s DCC 14.1 Challenge. He didn’t know about this event, so I explained as much as I knew and we finally came back to my original question and he kind of just shook his head and asked me, with a twinkle in his eye, “I don’t like it. Let me ask you something: when they shoot that break shot, what happens? Do the balls open up pretty good?”

And I said, “Sure -- they bust wide open.” And he shot back, “Exactly. And that’s why it’s no good -- it opens them up too much. You lose control of the balls.” And that’s when he threw out one of what was to be many simple but insightful gems, “Work the rack, don’t let the rack work you.” From there we talked about Mosconi, and Greenleaf, and Caras, and Joe Diehl and their preferred styles of playing and breaking and he showed me Caras’ favored break shot which made me blurt out, “Really?!”

All this and neither of us had hit a ball yet.

And so he said, ”Let’s go, open them up” and I rearranged the balls to his favored position and off we went. Each shot, I’d suggest a ball to be shot and what position to be played and often, frequently, well, almost every time I was wrong and he’d correct me and say, “No, you want to do this instead” and then explain why. In all honesty, I’d have to calculate that I was wrong in my selection around 60% of the time. At another point I had two balls on the end rail behind the rack and it was an obvious play: shoot the first ball into the right pocket, lay the cue ball on the rail for position for a gentle back cut on the second ball to the opposite pocket to go up table. I shoot the first ball and lay it on the rail and he stops me and says, “No. You let it go too far.”

What I had done was to gently shoot the first ball with slow follow and the cue ball had rolled forward, like maybe an inch or two. What Dallas was telling me was that the right way to shoot the shot was with draw to bring the cue ball back an inch or two: a total discrepancy of maybe three inches and he said, “That’s what you have to do: fight for every inch, don’t get lazy.” That was an eye opener.

And so it went, shot after shot until, without realizing it, I had run somewhere around 70-80 balls fresh out of the gate. When I finally missed (I had no shot and was frozen against the stack and missed a table length kick) he said, “You have a real nice touch, Lou. And, I know you didn’t want to get into basics, but… would you like to know what took me from being a 70-ball runner to the next level? Because I can see that’s where you’re at and it’s something you could work on.” And I said (wait for it), “Yes.” And he told me and frankly it’s not something I’m going to give away. You all need to see Dallas for that one, but believe me, it has been helping me *A Lot.* In this same vein, he showed me two shots and their variants that he said were essential for me to learn to excel at straight pool (I knew one of them from my 1pocket endeavors, but not the other.)

We also talked about aiming systems and I described current thoughts on the subject and he just shook his head and said, “Just an appeal to the vanity of man.” (I’ll let you figure out what he meant by that ;-) Manufacturing, or as he likes to call it, “fabricating” break balls and key balls. How to use other object balls to break up clusters. How some cut shots are deceptive. How to kill cue ball angles off object balls. He showed me caroms and combos and in particular a two-ball frozen combo that I swear I thought wouldn’t go. (In fact, I was incredulous and swore it wouldn’t go. But he showed me how to do it.)

At the end of four hours I could tell he was getting a little tired (he’s 70 now, but looks great) and I called it a wrap. Honestly, spending those four hours with Dallas was probably one of the best things I‘ve ever done for my pool game and I loved every minute of it. For the entire time I spent with him I felt as though Dallas was willing to share with me any and all knowledge he had and provided a thoughtful answer to each of my queries. And here’s one of the best things about the whole experience that goes beyond any specific tidbit of information he gave me: when I play 14.1 now, I hear Dallas in my head as if we were still back in his studio while he is talking me though the racks. I now have him in my brain and know what the right shot is. And, it’s kinda funny because every once in a while I’ll go against what Dallas is telling me to do and, almost invariably, the shot turns out badly for me and I have to laugh out loud -- me, the student, questioning The Master.

And so that’s it. If you love 14.1, and can get to Rockford, IL, you need to go now.
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Lou Figueroa
Any hints on that one that ‘you won’t give away” most of us will never have a chance to meet Dallas to get it from him.
 
Dallas was one of the best 14.1 pattern players in the world, on a par with guys like Sigel, Crane, Rempe and Varner.

I recall the 1992 14.1 Championships in New York, most remembered for Sigel's 150 and out on Zuglan and Zuglan's subsequent run of 148 against Ray Martin. In the end, after losing to Sigel, Zuglan still managed to get to the loser's bracket final, to be played on the final afternoon with Sigel awaiting the winner in the hot seat. He'd need to beat Dallas West for the chance to play Sigel for the title.

I remember that I was not able to attend the afternoon session and I missed the match. As I walked into the evening session at the Roosevelt Hotel, I saw Mike, still in his tuxedo, and asked him how it went in the afternoon session. His reply was "don't even ask." If memory serves, West had flattened him in two innings.

Several years later, in 1999, I'm walking down 57th Street, vey near my home, in NYC and notice none other than Dallas West walking toward me. I couldn't imagine what he was doing in NYC. Surely he wouldn't recognize me, although we'd met a few times over the years, so I took the initiative of approaching him. Turned out that he was in town (with Tom Karabotsos) for a straight pool event.

Dallas West is rightly remembered as one of the all-time greats, and is one of the most knowledgeable players of recent times.
I attended the same tournament, got his autograph and chatted with him for a couple of minutes.
Pleasant guy and yes his patterns were second to none.
 
I understand your holding back Lou.... but like was said above, a hint wouldn’t hurt.
(Probably over my head anyway, 🧐)
 
I understand your holding back Lou.... but like was said above, a hint wouldn’t hurt.
(Probably over my head anyway, 🧐)

I understand the curiosity.

But here's where I'm coming from:

First, it was an observation about my game that might very well not apply to others. Second, I took the time and expense to travel to Rockford and spend time with the man. I paid for the lesson and tipped him well. Given all that I just really don't feel any obligation to share more than I did. I mean, if you read that story, there's all kinds of goodness in it that I did share. But like I said, I understand the curiosity.

Lou Figueroa
 
Reading all the old posts in this thread got me thinking. I don’t really have a ‘Dallas’ anecdote to relay, as I never had the opportunity to play him (I was knocked out early in a 90s Chicago 14.1 tournament we competed in), but I DID have a long conversation with his wife while waiting to play. Turns out, Dallas and I both were suffering from severe ‘tennis elbow’ at the time, and his wife had lots of treatment/medication advice to share. I recovered eventually (quit playing 9 ball), but always wondered if Dallas could otherwise stay competitive.
 
I understand the curiosity.

But here's where I'm coming from:

First, it was an observation about my game that might very well not apply to others. Second, I took the time and expense to travel to Rockford and spend time with the man. I paid for the lesson and tipped him well. Given all that I just really don't feel any obligation to share more than I did. I mean, if you read that story, there's all kinds of goodness in it that I did share. But like I said, I understand the curiosity.

Lou Figueroa
Your story was long winded and boring. You could have at least shared that pointer and made it worth the read.
 
I couldn’t believe I didn’t know it either! He was saying something about his brother Dallas and his last name is West so I jokingly asked if he was the pool player. And he is! Lol
RC...That definitely elevates you to AzB "Legend" status! Dallas West was always a very cool man, and always a pleasure to watch! Hopefully a time will come soon where you can actually sit down and "chew the family fat" face to face! LOL Maybe even hit some balls together!

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
 
RC...That definitely elevates you to AzB "Legend" status! Dallas West was always a very cool man, and always a pleasure to watch! Hopefully a time will come soon where you can actually sit down and "chew the family fat" face to face! LOL Maybe even hit some balls together!

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Thanks Scott! I hope so. It was good to chat with him the very brief time we had. He's not playing much because he can't see the edge of the ball. But his mind is as sharp as a tack. Nothing lost there.

p.s. I'm in Chicago now pretty much year round. Let me know next time you are in town maybe we can meet and catch up. I am close to Pressure.
 
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