Darren Appleton - US Bar Table 10-ball Champion

[memikey]

So here's a more accurate barometer Roy.... You take your whole continent vs. USA....your top 100 players vs. our top 100. Would you bet everything you own on winning? Kind of funny that the whole world would need weight against the USA in this scenario IMO.

td

Doubt very much that any bookie on the planet would assess that a US top 100 would be able to give weight to a select team of 100 drawn from the the "rest of the world" (ie including Europe/Phillipines/China/Japan/Taiwan etc etc), unless he was banking on sheer patriotism ruling the heads of enough USA punters. Would be a great match to sweat though :smile:

US 100 v Europe 100, yes, weight defintely needed, but not massive.

 

[grindz]

Doubt very much that any bookie on the planet would assess that a US top 100 would be able to give weight to a select team of 100 drawn from the the "rest of the world" (ie including Europe/Phillipines/China/Japan/Taiwan etc etc), unless he was banking on sheer patriotism ruling the heads of enough USA punters. Would be a great match to sweat though :smile:

US 100 v Europe 100, yes, weight defintely needed, but not massive.

I was trying to show the strength of ONE country Vs. any other continent to those that choose to constantly disparage the USA on line. The rest of the world is NOT one continent, and in that situation I would doubt any weight could be given, and perhaps a little needed, but what kind of statement does that make? Just proves my point, that it could even be said with a straight face.... that one country could match up against the world. Also part of the derision in the world today comes from the fact that the entire world feels the need to compete against the USA.

I think D.A. is a GREAT competitor, a GREAT ambassador for pool, and fantastic to watch his tight play... no matter where he comes from. The sport should bring nations together in unison rather than be used by some to attempt to divide. Some of the youth are just too naive to begin to understand how important words are, and the sentiments they create.

TAP tap tap to Daz.... for sportsmanship, skill, heart and he's great to watch!!!

td

 

[memikey]

I was trying to show the strength of ONE country Vs. any other continent to those that choose to constantly disparage the USA on line. The rest of the world is NOT one continent, and in that situation I would doubt any weight could be given, and perhaps a little needed, but what kind of statement does that make? Just proves my point, that it could even be said with a straight face.... that one country could match up against the world. Also part of the derision in the world today comes from the fact that the entire world feels the need to compete against the USA.

I think D.A. is a GREAT competitor, a GREAT ambassador for pool, and fantastic to watch his tight play... no matter where he comes from. The sport should bring nations together in unison rather than be used by some to attempt to divide. Some of the youth are just too naive to begin to understand how important words are, and the sentiments they create.

TAP tap tap to Daz.... for sportsmanship, skill, heart and he's great to watch!!!

td

No arguments from me on any of that grindz.

When you said the whole world would need weight I just foolishly thought you meant the whole world would need weight :smile:

Reading your earlier post again, can see how it can be interpreted two ways, as am sure you can. We're on the same page re the above...........even Norwegian pool's equivalent of "Hagar The Horrible" would probably agree with what you've said now :smile:

 

[cbaumann212]

Do you ever take your hands off Darren's nuts long enough to play?

 

[punter]

Doubt very much that any bookie on the planet would assess that a US top 100 would be able to give weight to a select team of 100 drawn from the the "rest of the world" (ie including Europe/Phillipines/China/Japan/Taiwan etc etc), unless he was banking on sheer patriotism ruling the heads of enough USA punters. Would be a great match to sweat though :smile:

US 100 v Europe 100, yes, weight defintely needed, but not massive.

I think the man's point was why should the U.S.A. have to play a group of ten or twenty other countries? Why don't they man up and produce a team from each country and play that way? Comon Memikey enlighten us with your infinite wisdom and sarcasm.

 

[memikey]

I think the man's point was why should the U.S.A. have to play a group of ten or twenty other countries? Why don't they man up and produce a team from each country and play that way? Comon Memikey enlighten us with your infinite wisdom and sarcasm.

What part of my post stating very clearly that I agree with what grindz has written NOW don't you understand?

I also agree 100% with the underlying thrust of what you are saying above.

C'mon punter enlighten us with your infinite wisdom as to how what was said by me could have possibly meant anything else?

Have you even read post 63?

 

[punter]

What part of my post stating very clearly that I agree with what grindz has written NOW don't you understand?

I also agree 100% with the underlying thrust of what you are saying above.

C'mon punter enlighten us with your infinite wisdom as to how what was said by me could have possibly meant anything else?

Have you even read post 63?

You took a cheap shot, yes I can read.... Are you saying that you think that the concept of Europe vs. USA should change to every country fielding a separate team and competing that way? Spell it out and quit dancing.

 

[memikey]

You took a cheap shot, yes I can read.... Are you saying that you think that the concept of Europe vs. USA should change to every country fielding a separate team and competing that way? Spell it out and quit dancing.

If you're going to butt in throwing insults around try reading the thread first. I initially said that I disagreed with what I thought grindz appeared to be saying ie that a USA team of 100 would be heavy favourite to beat a rest of the world 100. Grindz explained that is not what he meant and I then expressed my agreement with him that USA would be favourites to beat a combined "Europe" team. As far as I can see grindz also agreed with me that USA would not be favourites against a rest of the world team.

To the best of my knowledge that was a straightforward exchange of views with no vagueness about it resulting in full agreement. Neither grindz nor me has any problem with it.

You then stuck your oar in for reasons best known to you.

As regards your latest post......if someone (in this case me) has already very clearly said they are of the opinion that USA would be favourite to beat a combined "Europe" team containing the best players of all the individual European nations, it is surely blatantly obvious that the same person must also believe that any single one of those disparate European nations would have negligible chance of fielding a side to seriously challenge USA and would be hugely outclassed.

I have no opinion at all on whether the concept of Europe v USA "SHOULD" change, I'm not even sure how that comes up as a subject in this context, nor have I even remotely hinted I have an opinion on whether it should change. All I have done is state clearly an opinion that USA would be slight favs against a hypothetical combined Europe (and by obvious implication heavy favs against any single European nation) and probable underdogs against a hypothetical combined rest of the world, that's all. I'm not sure what you are mining for but just to remove any doubt I will add that imho the top 100 USA side would also be favs against any other single nation in the world.

Is anything still unclear to you?

Quit trying to make someone dance a waltz when the band is clearly playing a foxtrot

 

[punter]

If you're going to butt in throwing insults around try reading the thread first. I initially said that I disagreed with what I thought grindz appeared to be saying ie that a USA team of 100 would be heavy favourite to beat a rest of the world 100. Grindz explained that is not what he meant and I then expressed my agreement with him that USA would be favourites to beat a combined "Europe" team. As far as I can see grindz also agreed with me that USA would not be favourites against a rest of the world team.

To the best of my knowledge that was a straightforward exchange of views with no vagueness about it resulting in full agreement. Neither grindz nor me has any problem with it.

You then stuck your oar in for reasons best known to you.

As regards your latest post......if someone (in this case me) has already very clearly said they are of the opinion that USA would be favourite to beat a combined "Europe" team containing the best players of all the individual European nations, it is surely blatantly obvious that the same person must also believe that any single one of those disparate European nations would have negligible chance of fielding a side to seriously challenge USA and would be hugely outclassed.

I have no opinion at all on whether the concept of Europe v USA "SHOULD" change, I'm not even sure how that comes up as a subject in this context, nor have I even remotely hinted I have an opinion on whether it should change. All I have done is state clearly an opinion that USA would be slight favs against a hypothetical combined Europe (and by obvious implication heavy favs against any single European nation) and probable underdogs against a hypothetical combined rest of the world, that's all. I'm not sure what you are mining for but just to remove any doubt I will add that imho the top 100 USA side would also be favs against any other single nation in the world.

Is anything still unclear to you?

Quit trying to make someone dance a waltz when the band is clearly playing a foxtrot

OK, Memikey, I guess your comment about "USA punters' was just a coincidence and not a jab. My comments stem from the fact that the rest of the world has caught up with the U.S. and maybe it's time to adjust how many countries you want to lump together to field a team to compete with the U.S. And I was thinking your dance looked more like a tap dance....or an Irish jig.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Darren is a super nice guy and awesome player. :smile:

 

[memikey]

OK, Memikey, I guess your comment about "USA punters' was just a coincidence and not a jab. My comments stem from the fact that the rest of the world has caught up with the U.S. and maybe it's time to adjust how many countries you want to lump together to field a team to compete with the U.S. And I was thinking your dance looked more like a tap dance....or an Irish jig.

"Punters" to me and to 100% of people born in UK, usually means no less and no more than "people who make bets" and can also commonly mean " any normal guy in the street". Two uninsulting, fairly run of the mill usages. As can be seen from the context, "USA punters" in this case meant no more and no less than "people in USA who strike bets with bookies". I'm a regular punter myself, in both senses.

The words "USA punters" in my post had absolutely nothing even remotely within a million miles to do with the user name of someone on azb !!!!!!!!!

Not only that but from the first time you raised your unprovoked swipe at my original post (conveniently ignoring what had been posted later) right up until just now reading your last post, I had still not even made any connection in my mind between why you were miffed and your user name. I think it might be skinny odds with the bookies that nobody else did either.

Purely as a precaution and to save potential future time and effort I hereby confirm that the use of the word "skinny" was not a cleverly contrived veiled insult and does not refer to the physical attributes of any particular person :smile:

Edit....and yes, maybe it is time that some readjustment is made re other countries v USA....I personally don't really have much strength of opinion on that either way, other than what has already been said.

 

[punter]

"Punters" to me and to 100% of people born in UK, usually means no less and no more than "people who make bets" and can also commonly mean " any normal guy in the street". Two uninsulting, fairly run of the mill usages. As can be seen from the context, "USA punters" in this case meant no more and no less than "people in USA who strike bets with bookies". I'm a regular punter myself, in both senses.

The words "USA punters" in my post had absolutely nothing even remotely within a million miles to do with the user name of someone on azb !!!!!!!!!

Not only that but from the first time you raised your unprovoked swipe at my original post (conveniently ignoring what had been posted later) right up until just now reading your last post, I had still not even made any connection in my mind between why you were miffed and your user name. I think it might be skinny odds with the bookies that nobody else did either.

Purely as a precaution and to save potential future time and effort I hereby confirm that the use of the word "skinny" was not a cleverly contrived veiled insult and does not refer to the physical attributes of any particular person :smile:

Edit....and yes, maybe it is time that some readjustment is made re other countries v USA....I don't really have much of a further opinion on that either way, other than what has already been said.

I know what punter means. And I would venture to say that it was the first time that you have used that word on any post here. And very soon after we had had a discussion where I took issue with you about your comments about the U.S.A. But, whatever you say, just a coincidence. Punter, as I am most familiar with it's use, describes horse racing bettors. And I am one of those.

 

[memikey]

I know what punter means. And I would venture to say that it was the first time that you have used that word on any post here.

These would be figments of the imagination then.....

Most online punters are initially attracted to a particular online gambling firm....snip....therefater the firm concerned keeps or loses that punter by a combination of the efficiency of their operation and the attractivenes of their odds on various events

....the odds, taken as a cumulative total for all the runners are not at all generous to the punter......

If betting at this stage the punter should just take the odds SJ are presently offering on any player whose chances they fancy and who in the punters opinion SJ have on their list too long

There are many more,but you get the drift.In fact just about every time the subject of people placing bets has previously arisen I have used the term "punter" consistently in description of people who are placing bets.

In general I hold no grudges against anyone on here, not against you certainly. Posts are made, answers are posted and a subject reaches a conclusion, then I move on, just like this subject will when you stop digging the hole deeper with inaccurate assertions which need correcting, like the above.

I don't think coincidence even comes into it. This is a very straightforward misinterpretation by you,apparently at least partly due to not reading all the posts properly before posting.

 

[punter]

These would be figments of the imagination then.....







There are many more,but you get the drift.In fact just about every time the subject of people placing bets has previously arisen I have used the term "punter" consistently in description of people who are placing bets.

In general I hold no grudges against anyone on here, not against you certainly. Posts are made, answers are posted and a subject reaches a conclusion, then I move on, just like this subject will when you stop digging the hole deeper with inaccurate assertions which need correcting, like the above.

I don't think coincidence even comes into it. This is a very straightforward misinterpretation by you,apparently at least partly due to not reading all the posts properly before posting.

Ok, so you've used the word before. You're still a slippery one. Just like De Niro said in the Focker movies, I'll be watching you. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[memikey]

Ok, so you've used the word before. You're still a slippery one. Just like De Niro said in the Focker movies, I'll be watching you. :smilewinkgrin:

Now that's better....and funny....keep up that standard and we'll continue to have no problem

Anyway.....didn't Daz do well? On a bit of a wind-up I've convinced the Yorkshire missus that he's a typical Yorkshire wimp who deliberately avoided being born early enough to have to play all us old timers in our prime. Complete bollox of course cos a few years ago he took on the acknowledged best of our generation (Ross McInnes) at a mixture of pool discipines on the Uk tables in a very big money match and crushed him mercilessly. Nice payday that was eh Daz? Congrats on the latest performance in USA.

 

[Spade]

Darren is a super guy and great player. Bad luck he didnt get invites to mosconi cup. congrats to him!

 

[Alex Kanapilly]

I think the man's point was why should the U.S.A. have to play a group of ten or twenty other countries? Why don't they man up and produce a team from each country and play that way? Comon Memikey enlighten us with your infinite wisdom and sarcasm.

Probably because the EU and the US are comparable in size and population. I'm as much of a homer as the next guy but come on, play fair.

 

[pro9dg]

A ten man US Squad would struggle to beat a ten man squad from:

GERMANY
PHILIPPINES
TAIWAN
CHINA
SWEDEN
ENGLAND
SWITZERLAND
SPAIN

For USA -,Johnny, Rodney, Shane, Jeremy, Earl, Mike, Shawn, Larry, Charlie B, John S, Stevie, Glenn, Max, Mark, Sylver, Danny H, Danny B. Nick, Kim, Jim, Mike S, Keith, CJ - take your pick.

Even Joey A and Jay couldn't grt this ship to fly!

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Well, Darren is now out of the 8-ball, finished 4th.

I think he played well this week. I didn't get a chance to see him in the final of the 9-ball, but I heard Glen played good. Impressive to keep the high gear for 6 matches in a row that day!!

Glen is now the all-around champion, with Darren finishing second. Not a bad week for either of them.

Will Glen be the first player who might play all three finals???

 

[punter]

Probably because the EU and the US are comparable in size and population. I'm as much of a homer as the next guy but come on, play fair.

That's a good point. Should it be the world against China. Also, in the Olympics it's individual countries. It's time to adjust, imo.