Darren Forfeits Beloit

alstl said:
It is rare for world class players to post here and I'm going to take advantage of the opportunity to ask a question.

Aside from when you are bridging off the rail do you ever use a closed bridge and if so, when and why?

Thanks.
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Sometimes for draw shots but not very often.Obviously generate more power with closed bridge.. but i rely on timing with my open bridge for power. but I'm working on using a closed bridge more in the future its a slow process but it will come in time. i just can't get comfortable with it at the moment but i know the benefits so i will work on it.

darren
 
dynamite said:
I Rarely play in any events other than Professional events that don't have Calcutta's any of them.. i might play 3-4 events per year that are pro/am pool room events that have Calcutta's, and I've bought half myself in past or all of it if the value good or not crazy money like this one.. I didn't see the value spending 2500 for 4/1 odds when I'm getting 8/1 on tournament prize money.. none of the top guys buy themselves shane and corey who both went for 5000 and 4500. But what did Surprise me is that the top 4 places didn't get paid only top 3. So whoever buy me was very unlucky there also to not get at least there money back.

But I'm happy to ban myself from the tournament in future no problem i don't care if i play or not its not a invitational event it costs 3500 before i hit a ball, 2k entry $400 flight $400 hotel $200 car and spend around 100$ a day. so i need to reach final to make any money But i know playing 8ball if i break good I'm Probably going to win it in my EYES. Probably few others feel the same others just hoping they can win or get the money rounds.

Anyway First 16 guys to pay the money are in .

It wasn't a Professional event

My conduct at the tournament was spot on.

I just accidentally over slept because Poor schedule otherwise i would've been there. but many times before I've woke up and played with little sleep after playing all day and finishing early hours and back up next day to play at 9am 10am..My Alarms were set. I didn't drink the night before, I just simply over slept I'm a deep sleeper even my ears didn't flicker,But obviously was shattered from playing all day and night and didn't wake up, and to be honest if i knew the schedule before hand i wouldn't have entered. But the organizer felt the time slots were only way to get the event done so u respect that and get on with it, Just very unfortunate for me and people that bet on me i overslept. Even more sad because i enjoyed my time there great pool room good people and nice town.I was Confident i was going to win the tournament from final 4. So obviously i was sick as a pig.. Said sorry to Dave cole and his staff and anyone else involved and the guys that bet on me on the rail i didn't know any of them so i Apologize on Facebook in Public and on here,Thats the end of the story, I Was angry and too upset and embarrassed to go back to the pool room i told dave this and told him I'm leaving to airport i need to go home.

But i hope to go back there in future.. but if they want to ban me or people don't want me to play go ahead i really don't care. You could even do a Calcutta without me in the hat makes no difference to me, I didn't buy half of myself i wasn't expecting anything from whoever buy me thats there business not mine,Im just a horse they bet in a race that sadly fell at the last fence when in the mix to win. Obviously they upset, I Was furious and on tilt with myself Still not even sunk in I could sleep in for a big money event like that esp when so Close to winning the damm thing.

Pool is a very cruel and Lonely sport at times,But sadly I'm only human and i slept in because obviously lack of sleep two days running and it Caught up with me Sadly.

1000s of sportsman have done the same thing what i did, do they apologize to the punters? no they don't ,Do they pay the punters back no they don't ,

ITS GAMBLING thats the risk whenever placing a bet I've lost bets when guys withdrawn from events,But i don't send the Bookie a message and say can i get my money back,I don't send a golfer a message when he withdrawn or a snooker player and ask for my money back.. Never would even cross my mind.. was i annoyed yes sure i was but i know the moneys gone thats it. I bet what i could afford to lose, Thats sport. Once any bet is put on its pretty much in the lap of the gods if you see it again WITH Profit.

One thing for sure i will not sleep in again for a pool match. Live and Learn.

Darren.
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Your a world champion level player and a better human being:smile:
 
BJTyler said:
I suspect those sports thrive in spite of, and not because of (or regardless of) those behaviors. And that's precisely why every one of those sports (with perhaps the exception of boxing) spends significant resources trying to monitor, control, and mitigate the impact of those behaviors.

Case in point, Jon Jones just made a really bad mistake and the UFC stripped and released him within 24 hours. Sorry...but image and behavior matters.
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I'm not saying the pro sports like this behavior, but it does NOT stop the public from spending their money on tickets, or watching it on TV, or staying a fan.

Thus, those bad behaviors had no impact on the bottom line for the team or the league, or the sport overall. But somehow, a pro pool player, who is not even an American, is bringing down pool for over sleeping, after they made him play into the wee hours of the tournament. Lighten up Francis ;)
 
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Before you get disgusted with some of the hoosiers who post here and like all the other top pros have and quit posting on this forum - a question.

Aside from when you are bridging off the rail, do you ever use a closed bridge and if so- when and why?

Thanks
 
alstl said:
Before you get disgusted with some of the hoosiers who post here and like all the other top pros have and quit posting on this forum - a question.

Aside from when you are bridging off the rail, do you ever use a closed bridge and if so- when and why?

Thanks
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He answered that above, post 421.
 
SJDinPHX said:
I cannot determine what you meant by "making amends" Lou ?..I was really surprised, that you aggressively continued to put him down, long AFTER he posted his apology ! :confused:..Please explain what 'amends' you expected of him ?..You surely can't be siding with the FEW on here, who actually thught he owed "restitution" !..They are obviously NOT knowledgable gambler's ! :frown:..He was not a happy camper, but even the OP, (BJ) to his credit, made it very clear he did not feel that way, nor would he have accepted it, if offered !

PS..We all know gambling at pool, can turn sour MANY different ways !..A 'once in a lifetime' forfeit, for oversleeping, is IMO, hardly grounds for trashing a well respected player ! :eek:
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Watchez made a good suggestion. Or perhaps offering some/a token of the $2450. IOW, some gesture other than: sorry, that's the way it goes, tough tittie.

As to the rest, Dick, we will not always agree on things.

Lou Figueroa
 
dynamite said:
thanks pal hope you doing well.

Don't really know what the guys problem is lou Guy. But Something made him a bitter man Sad. guess he expects me to sell my car and give money to everyone that bet on me.

darren
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Once again, not bitter. Just expected some show of class from a world champion.

Lou Figueroa
 
alstl said:
Darren Appleton could come up with a better answer than that in his sleep.
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dynamite said:
Sometimes for draw shots but not very often.Obviously generate more power with closed bridge.. but i rely on timing with my open bridge for power. but I'm working on using a closed bridge more in the future its a slow process but it will come in time. i just can't get comfortable with it at the moment but i know the benefits so i will work on it.

darren
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Not much better. He must have been awake.

Lou Figueroa
 
watchez said:
I wanted to correct one of my points - to those that are talking about the calcutta as gambling. This is not a 100% correct correlation because it is the pool room/tournament director that is facilitating the calcutta. They can't monitor two people in the stands or sitting at home watching a stream from betting. But they can and do monitor the calcutta. That being said, it is up to the pool room/TD to lay the ground rules to the players. Either stating they can opt out of playing in the tournament if they don't want to follow rules of showing up their matches or forfeiting so they can play some side action gambling match. Not following these rules means, as JumpinJoe stated, you have to make up for the losses in the calcutta or not be allowed to play again.

As this was not the case here, it is the pool room/td that really failed. Not Darren. Darren could take my earlier suggestion and make it partially right to the OP.
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We do not know each other, but I respect you as being very hep to how gambling at pool normally works, just from what I've seen here on the forums !.. That being said, I couldn't disagree more, with your last two statements..Let me tell you why !..Any pool tournament I've ever been to, (in the last 60 yrs.)..is a gathering of player's and backer's, who would sacrifice anything to get the right 'whale' (usually a backer) in action !..This would include, staying up all night, drinking and shmoozing with them, to finally get them down !

The promoter of the calcutta, at any gathering, large or small..cannot be expected to relay, or enforce ANY ground rules that would include, the reimbursement of calcutta money, or any other wagers, even if a player stays up all night gambling, and forfeits his match !..This has happened many, many times !..That was obviously not the case with Darren, so how can ANYBODY expect him to make any restitution whatsoever, even 'partial' as you suggested, ? ..Good Lord, isn't hustling pool a tough enough racket already ?..Now you are suggesting 'grown men' be compensated for 'guessing wrong' ? :confused:

PS..I'm taking the Pac-man, against Floyd next sat. !..I know its not a good bet, but maybe if I lose, I'll get a little 'considersation kickback'..:thumbup
 
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lfigueroa said:
Once again, not bitter. Just expected some show of class from a world champion.

Lou Figueroa
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His apology was classy. He didn't have to do that, but didn't it anyways. Something you don't seem to fond of doing, regardless of the folks you cut down, alive and dead. Stay classy my friend.
 
Isn't Jesse at fault as much as Darren....I mean, hill/hill til 1 AM. He shoulda known Darren's buyer in the calcutta couldn't be happy about that. What if it gets his adrenaline pumping so much that he can't get much sleep before his morning match? Didn't Jess know that Darren went for MORE in the auction? He shoulda rolled over (say 15-4ish), and let Darren get a little more rest. Where's the consideration?

Go after Bowman for screwing all this up!!!!:rolleyes:
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I'm not saying the pro sports like this behavior, but it does NOT stop the public from spending their money on tickets, or watching it on TV, or staying a fan.

Thus, those bad behaviors had no impact on the bottom line for the team or the league, or the sport overall. But somehow, a pro pool player, who is not even an American, is bringing down pool for over sleeping, after they made him play into the wee hours of the tournament. Lighten up Francis ;)
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Your logic is flawed. The reason why sports do not like this behavior is exactly because it has an impact on the bottom line.

So you've now told me to "give it a rest" and "lighten up", what gives?
 
trustyrusty said:
Isn't Jesse at fault as much as Darren....I mean, hill/hill til 1 AM. He shoulda known Darren's buyer in the calcutta couldn't be happy about that. What if it gets his adrenaline pumping so much that he can't get much sleep before his morning match? Didn't Jess know that Darren went for MORE in the auction? He shoulda rolled over (say 15-4ish), and let Darren get a little more rest. Where's the consideration?

Go after Bowman for screwing all this up!!!!:rolleyes:
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Well I was there, and if there is anything that is for certain, it's that Jesse was NOT the reason why that match ended at 12:38am!!!
 
dynamite said:
Sometimes for draw shots but not very often.Obviously generate more power with closed bridge.. but i rely on timing with my open bridge for power. but I'm working on using a closed bridge more in the future its a slow process but it will come in time. i just can't get comfortable with it at the moment but i know the benefits so i will work on it.

darren
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Thanks for the reply. It is great to have a world class player posting on this forum.

I started playing in a small town in Iowa where the only tables available were snooker and I used exclusively an open bridge and although I'm nowhere near your speed I understand what you are saying.

Good luck and please keep posting on this forum.
 
watchez said:
I wanted to correct one of my points - to those that are talking about the calcutta as gambling. This is not a 100% correct correlation because it is the pool room/tournament director that is facilitating the calcutta. They can't monitor two people in the stands or sitting at home watching a stream from betting. But they can and do monitor the calcutta. That being said, it is up to the pool room/TD to lay the ground rules to the players. Either stating they can opt out of playing in the tournament if they don't want to follow rules of showing up their matches or forfeiting so they can play some side action gambling match. Not following these rules means, as JumpinJoe stated, you have to make up for the losses in the calcutta or not be allowed to play again.

As this was not the case here, it is the pool room/td that really failed. Not Darren. Darren could take my earlier suggestion and make it partially right to the OP.
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Great post! I agree on all accounts... calcutta is greater not equal to gambling, TD's should have ground rules, and Darren should have made/ should make an attempt to do something for BJ.
 
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cleary said:
His calcutta bid was not to put money in the pro side of pool... it was to put money into his pocket. That's awesome and I wish him the best of luck next time, but I don't get why everyone is thinking he did someone a favor by bidding on Darren.


If I lose our Cavs bet, Kelly Olynyk won't be paying me back for what he did to Kevin Love... and the money I pay you won't be going toward the NBA. It's gambling, sucks when you catch a bad beat but they happen.
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Problem is this.

EVERY single last PRO player wants a jelly every time they cash in these things, but take ZERO responsibility when they FCUK off someone else's hard earned money like this (The PRO is never at fault, lol). That's where the problem is, they always want something for NOTHING. It will never change.

And whether you want to believe it or not, these things (calcuttas) do bring money into the pro side of pool and put money in those players pockets.
 
prad said:
I don't know why people think that players are obliged to buy half ... When i bid in Calcutta, I assume that a player is not going to buy themself.
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They are not.
And they are not entitled to 10% every time they cash, like they want and think they are.

Your preaching to the wrong guy here, I spend more in calcuttas then 99.9% of people in this business, I'm very familiar with this b.s.
 
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