If you say so
Darren Forfeits Beloit
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If you say so
I'm pretty confident it wouldn't be much better if the players were 1000000% professional at all times.
Well, you and I will have to agree to disagree on that one.
Now, would you also say that for the unprofessional behavior of the promoters too? or is that also a red herring?
I don't think that's the issue either... it sure doesn't help thing but it's not what's held pool back. Everytime something bad happens, it's always "what's wrong with pool".
I tend to believe that there's rarely one simple explanation for anything. Usually, it's a collection of factors that explain most economic phenomena. When it comes to the business of pool (of which pro pool is a part), I think the track record of unprofessional behavior by parties associated with professional pool (players, promoters, organizers, and leadership) is one of many reasons why pro pool is in its current state.
IMO, unprofessional behavior has a way of creating a self selection mechanism that keeps away people and companies who might otherwise become productively involved and attracts those who see this unprofessional milieu as an opportunity for self enrichment. This is never good for any sports industry.
While some sports have such overwhelming popularity and fan interest that they can fade this type of headwind (Boxing comes to mind), others aren't so lucky.
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We agree on sumthin'. But I wouldn't want to win thataway.
Lou Figueroa
still, always
the optimist
Well, said.
IMO, it's a bit of the Broken Window Theory -- the little things add up and bring the whole thing down. And part of that theory is that the community shows it cares about itself and will not tolerate the small things, much less the larger.
Lou Figueroa
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I wanted to correct one of my points - to those that are talking about the calcutta as gambling. This is not a 100% correct correlation because it is the pool room/tournament director that is facilitating the calcutta. They can't monitor two people in the stands or sitting at home watching a stream from betting. But they can and do monitor the calcutta. That being said, it is up to the pool room/TD to lay the ground rules to the players. Either stating they can opt out of playing in the tournament if they don't want to follow rules of showing up their matches or forfeiting so they can play some side action gambling match. Not following these rules means, as JumpinJoe stated, you have to make up for the losses in the calcutta or not be allowed to play again.
As this was not the case here, it is the pool room/td that really failed. Not Darren. Darren could take my earlier suggestion and make it partially right to the OP.
As this was not the case here, it is the pool room/td that really failed. Not Darren. Darren could take my earlier suggestion and make it partially right to the OP.
Darren Appleton could come up with a better answer than that in his sleep.
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yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.
If the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR and boxing can not only survive, but thrive with wife beaters, child beaters, rapists, thieves, drunks, steroid freaks, attempted murderers, actual murderers, drug makers, drug users, drug sellers, gang members, then over sleepers are NOT pools biggest problem, nor do they crack the top 1000.
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fixed that for ya
Are you trying to make a point with logic and real examples? That doesn't usually fly around here :grin-square:
I suspect those sports thrive in spite of, and not because of (or regardless of) those behaviors. And that's precisely why every one of those sports (with perhaps the exception of boxing) spends significant resources trying to monitor, control, and mitigate the impact of those behaviors.
Case in point, Jon Jones just made a really bad mistake and the UFC stripped and released him within 24 hours. Sorry...but image and behavior matters.
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I cannot determine what you meant by "making amends" Lou ?..I was really surprised, that you aggressively continued to put him down, long AFTER he posted his apology !
..Please explain what 'amends' you expected of him ?..You surely can't be siding with the FEW on here, who actually thought he owed "restitution" !..They are obviously NOT knowledgable gambler's ! :frown:..He was not a happy camper, but even the OP, (BJ) to his credit, made it very clear he did not feel that way, nor would he have accepted it, if offered !PS..We all know gambling at pool, can turn sour MANY different ways !..A 'once in a lifetime' forfeit, for oversleeping, is IMO, hardly grounds for trashing a well respected player !
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Alarm Clock.
I Rarely play in any events other than Professional events that don't have Calcutta's any of them.. i might play 3-4 events per year that are pro/am pool room events that have Calcutta's, and I've bought half myself in past or all of it if the value good or not crazy money like this one.. I didn't see the value spending 2500 for 4/1 odds when I'm getting 8/1 on tournament prize money.. none of the top guys buy themselves shane and corey who both went for 5000 and 4500. But what did Surprise me is that the top 4 places didn't get paid only top 3. So whoever buy me was very unlucky there also to not get at least there money back.
But I'm happy to ban myself from the tournament in future no problem i don't care if i play or not its not a invitational event it costs 3500 before i hit a ball, 2k entry $400 flight $400 hotel $200 car and spend around 100$ a day. so i need to reach final to make any money But i know playing 8ball if i break good I'm Probably going to win it in my EYES. Probably few others feel the same others just hoping they can win or get the money rounds.
Anyway First 16 guys to pay the money are in .
It wasn't a Professional event
My conduct at the tournament was spot on.
I just accidentally over slept because Poor schedule otherwise i would've been there. but many times before I've woke up and played with little sleep after playing all day and finishing early hours and back up next day to play at 9am 10am..My Alarms were set. I didn't drink the night before, I just simply over slept I'm a deep sleeper even my ears didn't flicker,But obviously was shattered from playing all day and night and didn't wake up, and to be honest if i knew the schedule before hand i wouldn't have entered. But the organizer felt the time slots were only way to get the event done so u respect that and get on with it, Just very unfortunate for me and people that bet on me i overslept. Even more sad because i enjoyed my time there great pool room good people and nice town.I was Confident i was going to win the tournament from final 4. So obviously i was sick as a pig.. Said sorry to Dave cole and his staff and anyone else involved and the guys that bet on me on the rail i didn't know any of them so i Apologize on Facebook in Public and on here,Thats the end of the story, I Was angry and too upset and embarrassed to go back to the pool room i told dave this and told him I'm leaving to airport i need to go home.
But i hope to go back there in future.. but if they want to ban me or people don't want me to play go ahead i really don't care. You could even do a Calcutta without me in the hat makes no difference to me, I didn't buy half of myself i wasn't expecting anything from whoever buy me thats there business not mine,Im just a horse they bet in a race that sadly fell at the last fence when in the mix to win. Obviously they upset, I Was furious and on tilt with myself Still not even sunk in I could sleep in for a big money event like that esp when so Close to winning the damm thing.
Pool is a very cruel and Lonely sport at times,But sadly I'm only human and i slept in because obviously lack of sleep two days running and it Caught up with me Sadly.
1000s of sportsman have done the same thing what i did, do they apologize to the punters? no they don't ,Do they pay the punters back no they don't ,
ITS GAMBLING thats the risk whenever placing a bet I've lost bets when guys withdrawn from events,But i don't send the Bookie a message and say can i get my money back,I don't send a golfer a message when he withdrawn or a snooker player and ask for my money back.. Never would even cross my mind.. was i annoyed yes sure i was but i know the moneys gone thats it. I bet what i could afford to lose, Thats sport. Once any bet is put on its pretty much in the lap of the gods if you see it again WITH Profit.
One thing for sure i will not sleep in again for a pool match. Live and Learn.
Darren.
I Rarely play in any events other than Professional events that don't have Calcutta's any of them.. i might play 3-4 events per year that are pro/am pool room events that have Calcutta's, and I've bought half myself in past or all of it if the value good or not crazy money like this one.. I didn't see the value spending 2500 for 4/1 odds when I'm getting 8/1 on tournament prize money.. none of the top guys buy themselves shane and corey who both went for 5000 and 4500. But what did Surprise me is that the top 4 places didn't get paid only top 3. So whoever buy me was very unlucky there also to not get at least there money back.
But I'm happy to ban myself from the tournament in future no problem i don't care if i play or not its not a invitational event it costs 3500 before i hit a ball, 2k entry $400 flight $400 hotel $200 car and spend around 100$ a day. so i need to reach final to make any money But i know playing 8ball if i break good I'm Probably going to win it in my EYES. Probably few others feel the same others just hoping they can win or get the money rounds.
Anyway First 16 guys to pay the money are in .
It wasn't a Professional event
My conduct at the tournament was spot on.
I just accidentally over slept because Poor schedule otherwise i would've been there. but many times before I've woke up and played with little sleep after playing all day and finishing early hours and back up next day to play at 9am 10am..My Alarms were set. I didn't drink the night before, I just simply over slept I'm a deep sleeper even my ears didn't flicker,But obviously was shattered from playing all day and night and didn't wake up, and to be honest if i knew the schedule before hand i wouldn't have entered. But the organizer felt the time slots were only way to get the event done so u respect that and get on with it, Just very unfortunate for me and people that bet on me i overslept. Even more sad because i enjoyed my time there great pool room good people and nice town.I was Confident i was going to win the tournament from final 4. So obviously i was sick as a pig.. Said sorry to Dave cole and his staff and anyone else involved and the guys that bet on me on the rail i didn't know any of them so i Apologize on Facebook in Public and on here,Thats the end of the story, I Was angry and too upset and embarrassed to go back to the pool room i told dave this and told him I'm leaving to airport i need to go home.
But i hope to go back there in future.. but if they want to ban me or people don't want me to play go ahead i really don't care. You could even do a Calcutta without me in the hat makes no difference to me, I didn't buy half of myself i wasn't expecting anything from whoever buy me thats there business not mine,Im just a horse they bet in a race that sadly fell at the last fence when in the mix to win. Obviously they upset, I Was furious and on tilt with myself Still not even sunk in I could sleep in for a big money event like that esp when so Close to winning the damm thing.
Pool is a very cruel and Lonely sport at times,But sadly I'm only human and i slept in because obviously lack of sleep two days running and it Caught up with me Sadly.
1000s of sportsman have done the same thing what i did, do they apologize to the punters? no they don't ,Do they pay the punters back no they don't ,
ITS GAMBLING thats the risk whenever placing a bet I've lost bets when guys withdrawn from events,But i don't send the Bookie a message and say can i get my money back,I don't send a golfer a message when he withdrawn or a snooker player and ask for my money back.. Never would even cross my mind.. was i annoyed yes sure i was but i know the moneys gone thats it. I bet what i could afford to lose, Thats sport. Once any bet is put on its pretty much in the lap of the gods if you see it again WITH Profit.
One thing for sure i will not sleep in again for a pool match. Live and Learn.
Darren.
I cannot determine what you meant by "making amends" Lou ?..I was really surprised, that you aggressively continued to put him down, long AFTER he posted his apology !
PS..We all know gambling at pool, can turn sour MANY different ways !..A 'once in a lifetime' forfeit, for oversleeping, is IMO, hardly grounds for trashing a well respected player !
thanks pal hope you doing well.
Don't really know what the guys problem is lou Guy. But Something made him a bitter man Sad. guess he expects me to sell my car and give money to everyone that bet on me.
darren
when did we play?