Daryl Peach on Efren Reyes...

[vapoolplayer]

What A++ player have you seen beat a top pro in 9-ball? You don't think 9-ball tests ones skills?
IMO 9-ball and all rotation games are the hardest to play because you are forced to play position for a particular ball, not one of your choosing like in straight or one pocket.

What size table did Brian make a clearance? Because most snooker tables in the U.S. are 5 x 10 as opposed to the 12 footers in the UK. Also most snooker pockets
I've seen here are very loose compared to the standard 3 5/16" in the UK.

The reason I doubt the Daryl Peach story is because I saw Stephen Hendry play at his best many times between 1992-1996 and he was simply awesome then, I've heard he's not quite the same now. Then I hear that O'Sullivan is even better now than Hendry was then, I can't even imagine that, I saw O'Sullivan play back then and he was great but not yet better than Hendry.
Even then I would take him over Reyes in any cuesport, and if he's better now! I shudder to think of the outcome.



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all i can say to this post is...............you need to get out ALOT more.

9 ball is by far the EASIEST game, and A++ players beat top pro's quite a bit in tourneys.

VAP

 

[vapoolplayer]

What A++ player have you seen beat a top pro in 9-ball? You don't think 9-ball tests ones skills?
IMO 9-ball and all rotation games are the hardest to play because you are forced to play position for a particular ball, not one of your choosing like in straight or one pocket.

What size table did Brian make a clearance? Because most snooker tables in the U.S. are 5 x 10 as opposed to the 12 footers in the UK. Also most snooker pockets
I've seen here are very loose compared to the standard 3 5/16" in the UK.

The reason I doubt the Daryl Peach story is because I saw Stephen Hendry play at his best many times between 1992-1996 and he was simply awesome then, I've heard he's not quite the same now. Then I hear that O'Sullivan is even better now than Hendry was then, I can't even imagine that, I saw O'Sullivan play back then and he was great but not yet better than Hendry.
Even then I would take him over Reyes in any cuesport, and if he's better now! I shudder to think of the outcome.



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people said that steve davis was going to make a big impact on 9 ball because he was a great snooker player................well i'm still waiting to see this big impact.

i don't think you would see O'Sullivan knocking off your top pool players...........entirely different game, entirely different stroke

VAP

 

[Bobby]

people said that steve davis was going to make a big impact on 9 ball because he was a great snooker player................well i'm still waiting to see this big impact.

i don't think you would see O'Sullivan knocking off your top pool players...........entirely different game, entirely different stroke

VAP

Steve Davis is past his prime in snooker and even
in his prime wouldn't beat this young generation, so
it's not a fair comparison. Ronnie O'Sullivan did
play in the European Masters 9-ball tournament a few
years ago, all the top pros were there and he made
it to the final losing to Strickland. From what I've
heard he wasn't playing seriously at all, just
banging balls in and not even playing safeties.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Anything that says "World Championships" would be
a world title. That's how it is in any other sport,
pool is no different.

I think it's not true in a lot of sports, and it is less true now in pool. I think most people will agree that there was one world nine ball championship last year and it was in Taiwan. And there was one world eight ball championship, and it was in Fujairah in the United Arab Emirates.

I'm reminded of the two one pocket players who got together in Arizona one time and played for the "One Pocket World Championships." Real champions or liars and thieves? And an exhibition artist who claims to be 17-times World Trickshot Champion at a time when there were no organized competitions. There seems to be a lot less of that sort of thing lately.

I think tournaments like the 1976 "World 14.1 Championships" (Asbury Park, New Jersey) have some claim to the title even though there was little effort to find competitors more than 200 miles from the Hudson river, because of the strength of the field even though it had no legitmate sanction.

 

[bruin70]

Reyes would murder Ronnie at anything other than snooker unless O'Sullivan is a secret one pocket,straight pool, and rotation master. I doubt Reyes can compete with any of the top billiard players in the long run. I have the tapes of Blomdahl running 60 pts/17 innings, Sayginer doing 50pts/14 innings, etc.. and no pool player is going to come close to playing with these guys for long. Efren versus David Matlock at three cushion might be interesting though...

A local pool room owner says he heard Boston Shorty tell people before he played Ceuelemens a long time ago that he was going to lock him up with defense,not leave him anything good to shoot at,etc... Ceulemens drilled him 50 to 10 or something.

They used to show some snooker on tv about ten years ago but not anymore.There's a site, snookermag.com, where they sell a ton of matches and have versions that play on American dvd players. They have the 2005 Masters where Ronnie went nuts and played like Jesus with a skinny stick. His opponents talk about him now like golfers talked about Tiger Woods the year he won everything.

e.

3 cushion is another animal altogether. reyes doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell. he's better off challenging snooker players. versus o'sullivan in 14.1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this one is interesting because snooker players essentially play a straight pool type game,,,and reyes doesn't.

i would LOVE to watch snooker players run racks.

 

[vapoolplayer]

Steve Davis is past his prime in snooker and even
in his prime wouldn't beat this young generation, so
it's not a fair comparison. Ronnie O'Sullivan did
play in the European Masters 9-ball tournament a few
years ago, all the top pros were there and he made
it to the final losing to Strickland. From what I've
heard he wasn't playing seriously at all, just
banging balls in and not even playing safeties.

well i could be wrong, its happened before....LOL

i have a video of ronnie running 147 in snooker, in like 7 minutes.......damn thats fast.

i keep hearing people saying "from what i've heard" about his pool game, anyone have any video of him actually PLAYING pool?

VAP

 

[recoveryjones]

On the UK 9-ball website I ran across this comment from Daryl Peach a year ago about Efren Reyes:

Q: "Who, in your opinion, was the greatest ever to pick up a cue (snooker, pool, whatever)?"

"Snooker: Ronnie O'Sullivan

Pool: Efren Reyes

Overall: Efren because I saw him play Jimmy White and Ronnie O'Sullivan 6 years ago, at snooker best of 5 for £100 each if I remember rightly: he beat both of them with his pool cue, and he made 3 centuries!! Now that's special."

Wow. Of course I've heard stories before about Efren playing different games, like the one about his 3-C game where he didn't think anyone in the world could beat him until he saw Ceulemans play. But if he really did beat White and O'Sullivan at snooker that really is something special.

On a consistent basis Ronnie O'Sullivan would murder Efren Reyes at snooker and Efren would murder Ronnie at pool.On an occasional basis, Ronnie O could win a set or two off of Efren at pool and yes Efren (talented as he is) could run a century or two and take a short session from Ronnie in snooker.When 100's are being ran, everyone sits in the chair the same.

A best of five (as described up above) is first player who wins three.Is it concievable that Efren ran three centurys and beat Ronnie(and Jimmy) at a short race in snooker. Yes.....totally concievable and believable.Make it a race to nine or eleven and then let's see what would happen to Efren.RJ

 

[Bob Jewett]

... I have the tapes of Blomdahl running 60 pts/17 innings, ... A local pool room owner says he heard Boston Shorty tell people before he played Ceuelemens a long time ago that he was going to lock him up with defense,not leave him anything good to shoot at,etc... Ceulemens drilled him 50 to 10 or something.
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Blomdahl had 60 in 15 about two matches later in the same tournament. He was playing Ceulemans who averaged about 2.3 in the loss.

In the 1978 Wolrd Championships, Ceulemans bar-b-qued Shorty 60-8 in 26 innings, and then Shorty got to shoot the break shot since Ceulemans had broken at the start of the game. Shorty only made two from the break, needing 52 to tie. The SFBA web site has the score sheet

 

[Buckster_uk]

well i could be wrong, its happened before....LOL

i have a video of ronnie running 147 in snooker, in like 7 minutes.......damn thats fast.

i keep hearing people saying "from what i've heard" about his pool game, anyone have any video of him actually PLAYING pool?

VAP

Ronnie did it in 5 minutes 20 seconds just to be precise

 

[recoveryjones]

Ronnie did it in 5 minutes 20 seconds just to be precise

One of the prettiest and most awesome displays I've ever seen with a cue,table and pool balls. Very,very impressive to say the least. RJ

 

[bruin70]

Blomdahl had 60 in 15 about two matches later in the same tournament. He was playing Ceulemans who averaged about 2.3 in the loss.

In the 1978 Wolrd Championships, Ceulemans bar-b-qued Shorty 60-8 in 26 innings, and then Shorty got to shoot the break shot since Ceulemans had broken at the start of the game. Shorty only made two from the break, needing 52 to tie. The SFBA web site has the score sheet

the widest disparity between players of the different cue games is between 3 cushion(and it's relatives) vs. all the other pocket billiard games. i am not at all surprised at the shellacing of boston shorty.

3 cushion players have knowledge about the cb that other cueists don't even dream about.

 

[Bob Jewett]

the widest disparity between players of the different cue games is between 3 cushion(and it's relatives) vs. all the other pocket billiard games. i am not at all surprised at the shellacing of boston shorty. ....

But Shorty was considered a top US 3-C player at that time, which is why he was one of the four US players entered in the 12-player field. I suspect that the brand new cloth and 0% humidity (somewhat unlike Boston) got him in his opening match. His final average was twice what he scored against Ceulemans.

 

[Bobby]

Blomdahl had 60 in 15 about two matches later in the same tournament. He was playing Ceulemans who averaged about 2.3 in the loss.

In the 1978 Wolrd Championships, Ceulemans bar-b-qued Shorty 60-8 in 26 innings, and then Shorty got to shoot the break shot since Ceulemans had broken at the start of the game. Shorty only made two from the break, needing 52 to tie. The SFBA web site has the score sheet

I heard from a good source that Sang Lee drilled
Billy Incardonna in 3-cushion by a similiar score in
a friendly match. Sang Lee wanted to spot Billy 30
points on 60 to make it a fair game but Billy refused
as if he was insulted. I get the impression that a
lot of pool players bring an attitude with them to
3-cushion as if to say "I'm a pro" therefore I
should get respect...at least that's my impression.

 

[bud green]

I may be wrong (Bob has my back,though...) but I think when Shorty came up to shoot because of the equal innings, the ref announced "Playing for 52..." .

Not Shortys' finest memory, I'm sure.

 

[sjm]

I heard from a good source that Sang Lee drilled
Billy Incardonna in 3-cushion by a similiar score in
a friendly match. Sang Lee wanted to spot Billy 30
points on 60 to make it a fair game but Billy refused
as if he was insulted. I get the impression that a
lot of pool players bring an attitude with them to
3-cushion as if to say "I'm a pro" therefore I
should get respect...at least that's my impression.

Count Mika Immonen among top poolplayers that took a beating from Sang at the billiard table. Mika, who I assure you, only played even because he enjoyed watching Sang Lee play, came away with glittering praise about his very worthy opponent, who beat him 80 - 23.

 

[PoolBum]

I saw O'Sullivan play back then and he was great but not yet better than Hendry. Even then I would take him over Reyes in any cuesport, and if he's better now! I shudder to think of the outcome.



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You would take O'Sullivan over Reyes in any cuesport??? That's even more far-fetched than thinking Reyes could beat O'Sullivan at snooker. There's a reason why so many of the top pro pool players consider Efren the best in the world. Even Mike Sigel said in an interview at the 2002 U.S. Open 14.1 that if Reyes started practicing straight pool seriously he would be unbeatable.

 

[Bobby]

Count Mika Immonen among top poolplayers that took a beating from Sang at the billiard table. Mika, who I assure you, only played even because he enjoyed watching Sang Lee play, came away with glittering praise about his very worthy opponent, who beat him 80 - 23.

I'm impressed that Mika got 23 points.

A friend of mine who plays in the carom 3-cushion
league said that Ginky played one season and Ginky
was not even a notable player at all. My friend who's
a 'C' pool player, played Ginky in the league, the
game was Ginky went to 24 and he went 15 and my
friend won. He said that it's weird to see Ginky
without the intimidation factor, he was another face
in the league.

 

[Bob Jewett]

You would take O'Sullivan over Reyes in any cuesport??? That's even more far-fetched than thinking Reyes could beat O'Sullivan at snooker. There's a reason why so many of the top pro pool players consider Efren the best in the world. Even Mike Sigel said in an interview at the 2002 U.S. Open 14.1 that if Reyes started practicing straight pool seriously he would be unbeatable.

It would be interesting to see some one pocket between O'Sullivan and Reyes. We might see some remarkable shots from both players. My money would be on Efren, though.

I think that if both practiced 14.1 that it could be pretty close, but I don't think either has any incentive.

 

[TheOne]

It would be interesting to see some one pocket between O'Sullivan and Reyes. We might see some remarkable shots from both players. My money would be on Efren, though.

I think that if both practiced 14.1 that it could be pretty close, but I don't think either has any incentive.

I actually think 14:1 would prob suit ronnie more than 9 ball or 1 pocket, would be interesting to see how many he could run?

 

[Bobby]

I actually think 14:1 would prob suit ronnie more than 9 ball or 1 pocket, would be interesting to see how many he could run?

It would be very interesting. I'd love to see Ronnie,
Stephen Hendry, John Higgins, Paul Hunter, and say
Mark Williams play 14.1 for a month and see what
some of the high runs would be. Frankly, I wouldn't
be surprised if more than one of them beat Mosconi's
record. Of course, they'd have no incentive at all
to do this, it would be like challenging the New
York Yankees to play in a local softball league,
it'll never happen.
As for 1 pocket, I think Steve Davis would be
great at it because he's such a great tactition.