David Alcaide ranked 27th in World plays in BCA Amateur.

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How does David Alcaide currently ranked 27th in the world by the WPA get to play in the BCA amateur events.
He also finished 9th in the World pool championships in Cardiff in 2001.
At the BCA nationals he won the Grand Master division, which on the BCA website is not open to any Pro ranked in the top 64.
He also won the amateur speed pool 1 event.
This just seems a little odd to me.
 
The BCA pro list and their ranking systems are screwed in the head. I have sent an email to John Lewis in the past telling him to fix it and it seems the new owner is doing the same terrible job and keeping the same people banned from the event that should be allowed in and letting others in that in no way should be in the amature event. I had high hopes that this would have gotten fixed and an objective ranking system be put in place much as I laid out in the BCA tournament section of these boards, those hopes it seems may be futile.
 
Celtic said:
The BCA pro list and their ranking systems are screwed in the head. I have sent an email to John Lewis in the past telling him to fix it and it seems the new owner is doing the same terrible job and keeping the same people banned from the event that should be allowed in and letting others in that in no way should be in the amature event. I had high hopes that this would have gotten fixed and an objective ranking system be put in place much as I laid out in the BCA tournament section of these boards, those hopes it seems may be futile.
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"Objective" ranking system? Seriously, when you consider multiple regional, national and international tours, you cannot possibly have an objective system. I understand the frustrations but the underlying problem is, the BCA chose to have tiered events with several thousand participants. Some will inevitably get screwed and some will inevitably do the screwing. There's no way around it.

Also, is this that Philipino guy who looks no older than 18 (he's probably 35)? I thought his name was Ronnie.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
"Objective" ranking system? Seriously, when you consider multiple regional, national and international tours, you cannot possibly have an objective system. I understand the frustrations but the underlying problem is, the BCA chose to have tiered events with several thousand participants. Some will inevitably get screwed and some will inevitably do the screwing. There's no way around it.

Also, is this that Philipino guy who looks no older than 18 (he's probably 35)? I thought his name was Ronnie.
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i think hes from spain. not completely sure though.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
"Objective" ranking system? Seriously, when you consider multiple regional, national and international tours, you cannot possibly have an objective system. I understand the frustrations but the underlying problem is, the BCA chose to have tiered events with several thousand participants. Some will inevitably get screwed and some will inevitably do the screwing. There's no way around it.

Also, is this that Philipino guy who looks no older than 18 (he's probably 35)? I thought his name was Ronnie.
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That was Ronnie Alcano I believe. I have not heard his name in quite some time.
He was really rising fast and then last I heard he returned to the Phillipines.

I have not heard of Luat, Andam, Alcano or Gallego being here in the US in a while.
 
frankncali said:
That was Ronnie Alcano I believe. I have not heard his name in quite some time.
He was really rising fast and then last I heard he returned to the Phillipines.

I have not heard of Luat, Andam, Alcano or Gallego being here in the US in a while.
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That's it. Ronnie Alcano. Yeah, someone once tried to match me up against him. My response, "I'm sorry but I don't play unknown Philipinos. No offense."
 
BCA Grand Master division

These are the results from the BCA Grand Master division. The names with a asteric (*) are all listed as pros on the BCA website. I think and hope that the Grand Master division is kind of like a consolation division for those pros not qualified for the pro event. Not sure as I cannot find requirments for
qualifiation in different divisions.

Place First Name Last Name Prize Money City State
1st DAVID ALCAIDE BERMUDEZ 4900 FUENGIROLA ML *
2nd JESSE BOWMAN 2600 EAST MILINE IL
3rd BRIAN GROSE 1400 CLUMBUS IN
4th TANG HOA 900 NORWALK CA *
5-6 STEVE RECTOR 500 * KS
5-6 CRAIG POWERS 500 GREENFIELD WI
7-8 JEFF BECKLEY 300 COLUMBUS IN *
7-8 CARLOS SANTOS 300 COQUITLAM BC
 
I believe the way the BCA words it is that ANYONE not playing in the pro event that week can play in the grand master division. Some of the players listed as Pros have been moved down to the Grand Master category. ie Jeff Beckley.
 
To clarify the players discussed in this thread. The BCA Pool League created the New Grandmaster Division to fill a gap. All players should have a place to play. The BCA Open 9-Ball event is basically an invitational - but there are hundreds of players that are not invited to the "pro" event that were not allowed to play in previous amatuer event.

The New Grandmaster division is designed to allow the very best amatuers and the pros not playing in the pro event a place to play pool. As far as I am concerned, no pro has to like a short alternater break event on 7' tables. A true Grandmaster is a very dangerous player on a 7' table. Any one NOT playing in the OPen 9-ball is eligible to play in the GM division. By the way, they response was very good, both from the players and spectators. We filled the field at 32 players. Next year it will probably open up to 64.

Please understand our position on this. The best master players needed a place to go. This makes the range of the master division a little tighter and will help eliminate the old problem of master players trying to get back into the Open division.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me at markg@playbca.com or call me at 702-719-7665. I am doing what I can to resolve some of the old problems associated with rankings and divisions.

Mark Griffin
BCA Pool League
 
Mark Griffin said:
To clarify the players discussed in this thread. The BCA Pool League created the New Grandmaster Division to fill a gap. All players should have a place to play. The BCA Open 9-Ball event is basically an invitational - but there are hundreds of players that are not invited to the "pro" event that were not allowed to play in previous amatuer event.

The New Grandmaster division is designed to allow the very best amatuers and the pros not playing in the pro event a place to play pool. As far as I am concerned, no pro has to like a short alternater break event on 7' tables. A true Grandmaster is a very dangerous player on a 7' table. Any one NOT playing in the OPen 9-ball is eligible to play in the GM division. By the way, they response was very good, both from the players and spectators. We filled the field at 32 players. Next year it will probably open up to 64.

Please understand our position on this. The best master players needed a place to go. This makes the range of the master division a little tighter and will help eliminate the old problem of master players trying to get back into the Open division.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me at markg@playbca.com or call me at 702-719-7665. I am doing what I can to resolve some of the old problems associated with rankings and divisions.

Mark Griffin
BCA Pool League
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Thanks for the reply Mark.
That clears up my question, anyone who is not entered in the BCA pro event is allowed to play in the Grand Masters.
But you should change the wording on your website in the eligibility section for the Grand Masters, where it says anyone in the top 64 of a pro organization is not allowed to play in the Grand Masters.
That's where the confusion came from.
 
Here's what the BCA website lists under the Master players info.

2004/2005 BCA Pool League Grand Master Division



Any player who meets any of the following criteria will automatically be placed in the Grand Master Division:



At the 2003 or 2004 BCA National 8-Ball Championships, or at the 2003 or 2004 VNEA International Championships, placed:


Top 8 in Men’s Master Singles


Top 4 in Women’s Master Singles


Women ranked in the Top 32 are not eligible (WPBA)


Men ranked in the Top 64 are not eligible (Billiard Digest Power Index, AZBilliards rankings, UPA, other available player rankings


Recent professional tournament results





At the discretion of the Tournament Committee, any player may be placed in the Grand Master division based on known ability.Any player desiring to play in the Grand Master division may be placed in that division at his/her request. Voluntary entry in the Grand Master division by a non-Grand Master player does not necessarily create future Grand Master status for that player.



* Due to the creation of the Grand Master Division the bottom half of the Top 128 men’s professionals will be eligible to play (subject to a Player Committee review).
 
Grand Masters

That is what I expected was the case.

Thank you Mr. Griffin for recognizing players caught between the pros and the amatuers. I am glad to hear it was successful.

Bart Mahoney
 
David

He is currently ranked # 17 on the Euro Tour and is from Spain. In the last year he has 2 17th place finishes and I believe 3 times 9th place.Pretty stronge player.Don'know if he is playing the euro tour next week in Austria, if he is I will see him and I hope I don't have to play him!
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no-sho
 
they missed alot of people then

look at the vnea list of top finishers and ull c they missed alot of people including 2 time defending champ shane van boening! among others.
sounds fishy to me :confused:
 
Mark Griffin said:
To clarify the players discussed in this thread. The BCA Pool League created the New Grandmaster Division to fill a gap. All players should have a place to play. The BCA Open 9-Ball event is basically an invitational - but there are hundreds of players that are not invited to the "pro" event that were not allowed to play in previous amatuer event.

The New Grandmaster division is designed to allow the very best amatuers and the pros not playing in the pro event a place to play pool. As far as I am concerned, no pro has to like a short alternater break event on 7' tables. A true Grandmaster is a very dangerous player on a 7' table. Any one NOT playing in the OPen 9-ball is eligible to play in the GM division. By the way, they response was very good, both from the players and spectators. We filled the field at 32 players. Next year it will probably open up to 64.

Please understand our position on this. The best master players needed a place to go. This makes the range of the master division a little tighter and will help eliminate the old problem of master players trying to get back into the Open division.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me at markg@playbca.com or call me at 702-719-7665. I am doing what I can to resolve some of the old problems associated with rankings and divisions.

Mark Griffin
BCA Pool League
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No matter how good the system, there will always be those misclassified. Still, i think the creation of the Grand Masters division represents a step forward, and I commend you and your organization for it.
 
IMO, Alcaide would have been better off playng in the pro event. If your gonna let him play the amateur event you might as well make it an "open" event.
 
sjm said:
No matter how good the system, there will always be those misclassified.
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Hi,
No sir.There will/shall not be a problem if one can make sense when he/ she writes/talks.
In the past I said on few occasions that the main source of confusion and arguments result from poorly written rules and regulations.If one did not have adequate skills in English language one should seek the help from those who knows how to frame/construct a good sentence with minimal to nill gramatical errors and also who follows Aristotelian logic.cheers
Vagabond
 
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