I have an idea. How about David Matlock in a IPT 8-ball match? If my remember serves me correctly, David was the highest or if not one of the highest American finishers before the IPT originally became insolvent. I'll tell you, the way efren reyes was breaking; dave would have gave him a tremendous match, if not beat him. For some of the misinformed, David can play great on a 9 fool. He's not only the "bar table" specialist that he is known for. I'll tell you gentleman, David may have the best kicking game next to Efren in the world. He is truly uncanny. He plays close to world class 3 cushion. It's actually his favorite game ( he told me it's the purest form of billiard games out there) In a 8-ball game we would see some spectacular moves, safes, and kicks from these two guys. I would like to see them battle it out. David, when motivated, is totally dangerous. When i watched him play at a camel tour some years ago, every time david was playing, efren would sweat david. I didn't see efren watch anybody as close. Another thing, when bustamante beat david out of the tournament (busta won the tournment BTW) he really celebrated and talked to david at length after the match. That was the only time busta talked to his opponnets after the match. The pinoy's have tremendous respect for david. He has put in his time. Give him the time to prepare and and get motivated, he would give efren a hell of a time. I promise you he is a gamer, he's not going to "dog" it. Or hell put him up against Keith on the 7 footer and settle who's the best on the bar table.
David Matlock in the IPT??
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I agree Matlock is the best player in the world,why everybody over looks this guy is beyond me.Plus he is getting a little long in the tooth,I would just like for everybody to see him play while he is still playing good.
I was there and I ask Efren if he was intentionally breaking it that way on purpose
because there will be a cluster or two that will give Austin some problems before he
can get out, or is he just being nice to Austin? Efren grinned impishly and said to me,
"Check my break in the last game". That's were he had his only B&R of the match...
because there will be a cluster or two that will give Austin some problems before he
can get out, or is he just being nice to Austin? Efren grinned impishly and said to me,
"Check my break in the last game". That's were he had his only B&R of the match...
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Matlock Older than Efren?
My guess is Efren is older than Matlock
roosterman said:
My guess is Efren is older than Matlock
Besides the pinoy's and the folks from taiwan. He plays just as good as any american player. How many times have you heard anybody beating david??? He only beat buddy hall every time they played! beat earl stickland, keith mccready, jose parica, david howard, he woofed mike sigel for years when he was in ponca city, ok.. I know I know if it's not efren efren than most of you guys wouldn't know a good player unless they fell on you. I assure you if you gave him some time and let him prepare, he could beat alot of these "champions" on the bar table and the big track. David was open to the world for a long long time. He was making all of these champions play $10,000 sets 15-20 years ago. Alot of these guys are having hard times putting up $5,000 and it's 2008. I'm assuming you never ever seen david play. It wasn't 6 weeks ago and SVB said he could watch David play all day and every day. I'm telling you he is an exceptional player, he just hates tournaments and i don't blame him.AZE said:
clint3612 said:
I agree that Dave Matlock is a great player. However, Keith has defeated David Matlock more times than Matlock has defeated Keith. I know this for a fact.
However, it is important to remember that Dave Matlock grew up in a different era than Keith did in American pool. When Keith was in his prime, Dave's game had not blossomed fully yet.
I cannot stand it when people compare pool players like this and they do not have the facts. It is like saying Scott Frost defeats Ronnie Allen. Well, today, maybe Scott would barbecue Ronnie, but in Ronnie's heyday, Scott Frost would need a spot for sure!
Dave Matlock is a phenomenal player. In fact, I suggested his name recently to the IPT for an upcoming match, along with James Walden. Keith was pissed off that I did not suggest Keith's name, but I have my reasons.
JAM
EDIT: This was my 9,000th post on AzBilliards! LOL!
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clint3612 said:
David was fired up and playing real well during the IPT fiasco. The best he had played in years.
David is and always has been one of my favorites. I don't know if he is the best in the world at any game, but, he is one of the most versatile players in the game today and that has been going on for many many years. He plays well on the 7ftrs, 8 ftrs, 9 ftrs, snooker table, and the billiard table.
Plusr, when he gets his elbow bent just right, he can party with the best of them.
clint3612 said:
Your memory doesn't serve you completely correctly.
Strictly speaking Matlock wasn't even "on the IPT" in the sense that he was not an IPT Tour Card Holder. He did make it into The IPT North American Open by winning a qualifying event.
His prize money won ($42,920/-) placed him 23rd in the overall money list at the time of IPT collapse. This would have placed him 5th out of the USA nationality players (behind Morris,Duel,Nevel and Owen and fractionally ahead of Williams). It is a good finish relative to the others considering that Morris, Duel, Owen,Williams out of the above plus many other USA nationality players were Tour Card Holders and had more opportunity to gather prize money. Nevel was like Matlock, a qualifier.
That being understood, to be objective about it his 5th placing out of USA players should also be viewed in the perspective of the reality that USA nationality players taken as a whole, did not achieve particularly good results in the IPT events relative to some other participating nationalities on comparison of the numbers competing etc, especially considering the events were all held in USA.
Just some historical info relevant to your post, not passing any comment on the opinions you posted. Hope it helps.
some tournaments right now are paying out ok, 9 ball worlds, 10 ball worlds, 8 ball worlds, and US open, all in the 40-100k range first place money
all these "legends" should take a shot or two
all these "legends" should take a shot or two
clint3612 said:
July at IPT event at Venetian in Las Vegas, 2006, Matlock cashed in for 30 large. I remember it because I was there!
Here's a shot I took of Dave and his finance who is a news reporter in the area where Dave lives. They were building a house together, and that 30 large I am sure came in handy.
JAM
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You sound like a groupie. It's kind of funny.
I've got a one-pocket match with David vs Efren (more like David vs. Goliath) from a few years ago at the DCC. David does some dogging in the match. Efren never looked worried. I think you need to remove the pedestal.
I've got a one-pocket match with David vs Efren (more like David vs. Goliath) from a few years ago at the DCC. David does some dogging in the match. Efren never looked worried. I think you need to remove the pedestal.
clint3612 said:
Matlock
David would be an excellent choice for an IPT challenge match (Walden would be too).
David was in his prime, late 20's, early 30's, and wasn't afraid of anyone.
It was a well known fact in his heyday that he had 3 Oklahoma backers (oil and cattle) that would back him up to $500,000.
David is 47,48 today, 5 or 6 years younger than Efren. David told me hisself that he had run 28 straight racks of 9 ball on a bar table, that was his best.
I, personally, watched him run 9 9 ball (might have been 10 ball) in a 7 man ring game on a Brunswick 9' table at Rumors here in Wichita at $10 per man.
I also beat David one time when he failed to show up for our Sunday match at Rumors old big tournaments they used to have.... LOL (I ended up getting 5th-6th).
I was also privy to having watched David his first time in Wichita (before he ever went to Oklahoma) matching up when he played Jr. Brown 7 ahead for $700. Jr. got 1 shot the whole set, and David made the best 1/2" jump shot I have ever seen with a full cue. They played at the old Mr. Lucky's, and I was the only person allowed to watch them gamble.
David is a battle worn veteran on the table, always dangerous, and like they say, he has probably forgotten more than most people know.
David is originally from western Missouri, a lot of people don't know that.
David would be an excellent choice for an IPT challenge match (Walden would be too).
David was in his prime, late 20's, early 30's, and wasn't afraid of anyone.
It was a well known fact in his heyday that he had 3 Oklahoma backers (oil and cattle) that would back him up to $500,000.
David is 47,48 today, 5 or 6 years younger than Efren. David told me hisself that he had run 28 straight racks of 9 ball on a bar table, that was his best.
I, personally, watched him run 9 9 ball (might have been 10 ball) in a 7 man ring game on a Brunswick 9' table at Rumors here in Wichita at $10 per man.
I also beat David one time when he failed to show up for our Sunday match at Rumors old big tournaments they used to have.... LOL (I ended up getting 5th-6th).
I was also privy to having watched David his first time in Wichita (before he ever went to Oklahoma) matching up when he played Jr. Brown 7 ahead for $700. Jr. got 1 shot the whole set, and David made the best 1/2" jump shot I have ever seen with a full cue. They played at the old Mr. Lucky's, and I was the only person allowed to watch them gamble.
David is a battle worn veteran on the table, always dangerous, and like they say, he has probably forgotten more than most people know.
David is originally from western Missouri, a lot of people don't know that.
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David Matlock
All I have to say is David is a great player, And a great person and it is an honor to have him living here in Kansas city, with us. I think we that know David Matlock should do what we can to get his name on the IPT matches.
( Watching David Matlock play pool is like watching a great painter paint a masterpiece! ) H.P.
All I have to say is David is a great player, And a great person and it is an honor to have him living here in Kansas city, with us. I think we that know David Matlock should do what we can to get his name on the IPT matches.
( Watching David Matlock play pool is like watching a great painter paint a masterpiece! ) H.P.
clint3612 said:
Google away.....but I've already told you where he ranked, how he got there and what his position was relative to the other Americans. As it happens I've got print outs of lots of the IPT results cos am too lazy to tidy my files but if you visit the IPT site you can still find most of the money list and ranking records etc, just as I described in my post, are still there for anyone to see..........you don't seriously think I might have just made them up for fun do you?
Not intending to in any way get involved in the ability opinion part because I'm not in a position to judge. Simply thought I would assist the starting point of your discussion by giving the exact facts about the card holder/money list/ranking etc. The facts aren't that far adrift from how you remember them anyway so I wouldn't worry too much about it whatever, the sun will still rise tomorrow
Dave is one of the nicest people I have ever met that play pool. He helped out by signing balls, and a get well card for the Bugs Rucker benefit last year. At the Shooters tournament in Olathe.
Dave could not read the get well card without his glasses, but plays pool without them
Dave could not read the get well card without his glasses, but plays pool without them