DCC sucks bigtime right now

[ine]

Keep up the good work! Those things go both ways, you will have your luck back.

Make us proud

 

[Fatboy]

Well, I am here at the Derby City Classic 2009, have been travelling for 24 hours from Norway just to get here to play my favourit game of One Pocket in the worlds biggest One Pocket tournament, and then I do the most stupid mistake ever!

"I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me" is the tune that keeps playing in my head right now...

I played the One Pocket tournament this morning, and the luck of the draw made me play John Brumback, the 2009 Bank Pool Champion.

I started out good on my break, and made him do two fouls, and at one time he needed 10 balls and I only like 4, I think. I had an open table, but dogged it, and he ended up winning the first rack.

The next rack lasted very long, with many safeties, but John grabbed that rack too, so now I was down 2-0.

I kept on doing the stuff JoeyA teached me last night, and I played smarter than before, but aggressive when I finally got a chance, and I took the next rack to make it 2-1 to John.

In the next rack I found a four ball combination in the pack and hit it with solid draw, and got a wide open table. I ran 8 and out on him, with position to keep on running 10-11-12 balls.

I racked the balls, and when I had finished racking we noticed that I owed a ball, and should have ran 9 balls.

Tournament director made me lose the game on forfeit, and then lose the match 3-1 instead of 2-2 and my break.

I have done many tournaments myself, and would probably have made the same call myself. There is only one person to blame here, and that's me...

But it still sucks, especially since I have used my buyback and is now out of the one-pocket...


Despite this completely idiotic, stupid, dumbass thing, Derby City Classic is still awesome. I wished John good luck in the all-around and asked him to buy me a beer tonight...

Now I just feel very, very pity for the guy I will meet in the 9-ball. Someone's gonna be punished for this!

Draw will be done very shortly.


(Some supporting rep would be appreciated )

you slept a ball and lose the match? wow thats a harsh rule!!! seems to play the rack over would be more the right thing to do-I dont know the rules, but to lose a match over a slept ball is too much of a penality to fade.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

This may sound like a dumb question, butttttttt..."Who ended the game prematurely?" Did you start raking balls and pulling balls from pockets or did John get out of the chair (essentially conceding the rack) and move to begin the next game?

Not a stupid question at all. It was actually a part of the discussion we had with the referee/tournament director.

After I pocketed the last ball I walked back and checked for sure that I had made 8 balls, then I moved the balls over the lights (which we use to keep score).

He got out of the chair, walked back to the end of the table, looked at the 8 balls I had made and walked back to his chair. At the same time I raked the balls and started racking.

When I finished racking we both noticed the coin near my pocket, at the same time.

Because neither of us didn't realize the foul before the racking was done, I asked the referee to let us play the last game one more time.

The referee's reply was that if John agreed to play it again, we could do that. Of course John didn't want to do that, and I am of the opinion that the referee should never even have given that option to John.

Oh well... It's in the past already for me.

I am just learning the game the hard way.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Roy,

I noticed JoeyA taught you some one pocket moves. JoeyA is a nice guy and a good one pocket teacher. He usually charges by the game for his lessons!

Hu

It has been a pleasure meeting JoeyA, he is more friendly and nicer than I had imagined. And he plays pretty good!!

We played some one-pocket for $ 100, race to 4, with me getting 9-8 on his break. It was a robbery for sure, I lost 4-0. I got simply outmoved.

After out match we just talked a little about strategy, and different shot selections. I can imagine that Joey is a good instructor too!

But he won't play me some 9-ball/10-ball yet, but maybe we will get a match later this week.

Practised some 14-1 with SJM the other day, and even though it was only 4 racks or something like that, I still picked up a lot. I shot balls, and he told me what to shoot, think etc. SJM sure knows a lot of that game, and I can understand why Line Kjorsvik ran 116 balls the day after she played him.

Have met a lot of other AZ'ers here, too many to name. (mostly because I am so terrible in remembering names). I am having a real good time here, and hopefully I will be back next year too!!!

BTW: Me and Chris showed JoeyA some shots too

 

[JasonCrugar]

man

Not a stupid question at all. It was actually a part of the discussion we had with the referee/tournament director.

After I pocketed the last ball I walked back and checked for sure that I had made 8 balls, then I moved the balls over the lights (which we use to keep score).

He got out of the chair, walked back to the end of the table, looked at the 8 balls I had made and walked back to his chair. At the same time I raked the balls and started racking.

When I finished racking we both noticed the coin near my pocket, at the same time.

Because neither of us didn't realize the foul before the racking was done, I asked the referee to let us play the last game one more time.

The referee's reply was that if John agreed to play it again, we could do that. Of course John didn't want to do that, and I am of the opinion that the referee should never even have given that option to John.

Oh well... It's in the past already for me.

I am just learning the game the hard way.

ouch man that's rough. another bump in the road though. in a small tournament here i once used the 9 ball as the c.b. on accident ahaha we just re racked and played it over

 

[j!dub]

Not a stupid question at all. It was actually a part of the discussion we had with the referee/tournament director.

After I pocketed the last ball I walked back and checked for sure that I had made 8 balls, then I moved the balls over the lights (which we use to keep score).

He got out of the chair, walked back to the end of the table, looked at the 8 balls I had made and walked back to his chair. At the same time I raked the balls and started racking.

When I finished racking we both noticed the coin near my pocket, at the same time.

Because neither of us didn't realize the foul before the racking was done, I asked the referee to let us play the last game one more time.

The referee's reply was that if John agreed to play it again, we could do that. Of course John didn't want to do that, and I am of the opinion that the referee should never even have given that option to John.

Oh well... It's in the past already for me.

I am just learning the game the hard way.

Hate to tell you this, Roy, but my ENTIRELY PERSONAL belief is that the ref effed up. The key statement you made is
"He got out of the chair, walked back to the end of the table, looked at the 8 balls I had made and walked back to his chair. At the same time I raked the balls and started racking." Him doing that was essentially conceding the game. If he had issue, he should have said something.

However, the real question is, "What's the tournament rule?" Do sleepers get cancelled if the opponent misses it? In my experience, while it is the player's responsibility to spot the ball to cancel the debt at the end of his turn, once the "next action" takes place, whether it be the incoming player shoots or concedes the game, then the debt is cancelled.

The rules of the game are there primarily to prevent any player from receiving an unfair advantage due to a mistake. This is a case where John clearly was given an unfair advantage (award of game) for his mistake. Think of it this way...what if there were only 3 balls left on the table and you had pocketed 7 and then you declared the game over (IOW, you thought you had 8)...your opponent has the opportunity to say "No, you only have 7." You wouldn't lose the game, you'd simply return to the table and keep shooting.

This is nothing against John...but my belief is the ref needs to explain his ruling...and actually, I'd be interested to hear some refs weigh in on this in this forum. Of course, after the balls were raked, everything changed.

JMHO

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Well, I don't care about the one-pocket anymore. I have learned my lesson.

Played on the table next to John right now, and we chatted some and had fun. He seems to be a nice guy, and I hope that he will do well in the All Around.

From what I have seen so far, Niels Feijen is playing pretty solid one-pocket. Watch out for the dutchman, the way he destroyed Francisco Bustamante 3-0 on the tv-table was impressive. If Niels gets an open shot, he's 8 and out.

At the One Pocket Challenge today, Darren was playing a 42, and at the same time I asked Jay if Efren were going to play. Jay said that he had tried to get him to play many times, but he didn't want to.

I then made a $ 50 bet with Jay that someone will break the 53 run of Mika during the day, and then told Jay that I'll back Efren. Went downstairs, talked with Efren for a couple of minutes and told him about the $ 1 000 added if a 61+ run, plus I told him that I had made a bet with Jay about 54+.

The AZ-room seemed more than happy when we walked in and I paid the entryfee for Efren.

Efren started out with a very incredible 15 in his first try ever, then a 12, before he got some smaller runs. He ended on a 47 and a 44 in total, but he entertained the entire room with his jokes, smiles, shots and by just being Efren playing pool and having fun. It was a blast, and as of now he is ranked nr 3 and 4 with his two runs, while Mika 53 and Darren 50 is ranked 1 and 2. Atleast I didn't lose money when backing him

In the 9-ball tournament today it seemed like the poolgods wanted to be nice to me because of the one-pocket experience.

I played Jeanette Lee in the second round, and we were both on 1 loss each, so loser goes home. She had the lead 4-2, I tied it 4-4, then she went up to 6-4, but scratched on the 7-ball.

In the last rack I overcut the 5-ball, and left Jeanette a routine-out. Somehow she dogged the position from the 8 to the 9, a real easy positionplay, and she overcut the 9-ball and left it in the jaws of the pocket. I didn't even have to pocket the ball to win, as she came over to shake hands with me.

It felt great, especially after my horrible first round loss (7-4), and since it was played in the mainroom with many spectators watching

Francisco Bustamante were going to play on our table next, so he watched the match. He came over and smiled to me and said "u lucky guy". And that's how I felt right there Btw, Francisco told me earlier today that he might play Shane tomorrow, race to 23 in 10-ball.

So now I have won against two WPBA-pros. Sarah Rousey in some small moneygames 10-ball, 9-5 and 9-6, and Jeanette Lee in 9-ball. Should I hope for Karen Corr in the next?

 

[beetle]

Wow, that is a fantastic day, I'd say. To get Efren in the 1 pocket challenge and then play and beat Jeanette, those are going to be memories you'll cherish forever. I've got to go next year, no matter what!

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Well, then the DCC tournament adventure is over for me this time.

I played another good player in Oscar Dominguez in the third round, and my first shot was an attemt on the 3-ball in the fourth rack. It skidded badly.

At 4-0 he played me safe, but I kicked two rails and made the ball and ran out for 4-1.

At 5-4 to Oscar I had a good break, and an easy out, but I simply dogged the 1-ball.

At 6-5 to Oscar, he touched so badly when pocketing the 6-ball that the 9-ball moved 3 feet. But in DCC that is not a foul, as long as only 1 ball is touched, and I could choose to either replace it or let it stay. The new position was better, and only left Oscar 7/8 of the cornerpocket instead of a full pocket, so I let it stay... Of course he made it, and won the match.

 

[ShootingArts]

sounds great

Roy,

Sounds like you are hanging with everyone and beating some good players. With the huge fields at the DCC you can have a golden path or a monster one getting through the early rounds. Seems like you played strong and there is still plenty to see and do at the DCC. I'm sure Joey will give you a shot at getting your money back playing nine or ten ball if you can catch him free long enough. I suspect he would much prefer playing one pocket if there is a game to be had. You might talk him into an adjustment on the one pocket too of course.

Good luck and have fun!

Hu

Well, then the DCC tournament adventure is over for me this time.

I played another good player in Oscar Dominguez in the third round, and my first shot was an attemt on the 3-ball in the fourth rack. It skidded badly.

At 4-0 he played me safe, but I kicked two rails and made the ball and ran out for 4-1.

At 5-4 to Oscar I had a good break, and an easy out, but I simply dogged the 1-ball.

At 6-5 to Oscar, he touched so badly when pocketing the 6-ball that the 9-ball moved 3 feet. But in DCC that is not a foul, as long as only 1 ball is touched, and I could choose to either replace it or let it stay. The new position was better, and only left Oscar 7/8 of the cornerpocket instead of a full pocket, so I let it stay... Of course he made it, and won the match.