DCC... UPDATE

[lfigueroa]

Are you guys ok? DCC is for gamblers/players. There might be 5 gamblers/players in the country who prefer 8 ball to one pocket. The main tournament games of banks, 1 hole, and 9 ball, are the gambling games, and don't need changing

Well, I agree with you -- particularly when you say they "don't need changing."

But if they're going to gaffe up the 1pocket I'd rather play 8ball.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Instead of some hokey pokey Hurry up madness like Grady's rules just have the games played to 7 balls instead of 8. Changes nothing in terms of the overall play of the game. Players don't have to learn some complex set of rules or watch a clock(which can bring in stalling btw which I can't believe nobody has considered). Nobody has to police it.

How often does a runout come up 1 ball short, think about that. And then how often does that guy have to play 15-20-30 more minutes to get that final ball. All those games are over playing to 7 instead of 8. The game is basically unchanged and everyone is happy.

I've done that myself.

I was in a tournament and mis-counted how many balls I needed one game. Stopped my CB cold instead of playing position on another available ball and then realized my mistake. Took another 20 minutes to win.

Lou Figueroa

 

[garczar]

They are extremely bad. Grady's heart was in the right place when he wrote them but it just flat changes the game too much.

No it doesn't. Still have to play good 1p, it just stops the mind-numbingly slowwwww up table crap. Hey, use traditional rules while gambling that's fine but trying to run a tournament on time it is a problem. Only having four balls in the kitchen is only a problem for those that cause the problem in the first place. There's a reason most 1p players are old: they sat thru too many of these brutal bunt festivals.

 

[jay helfert]

No it doesn't. Still have to play good 1p, it just stops the mind-numbingly slowwwww up table crap. Hey, use traditional rules while gambling that's fine but trying to run a tournament on time it is a problem. Only having four balls in the kitchen is only a problem for those that cause the problem in the first place. There's a reason most 1p players are old: they sat thru too many of these brutal bunt festivals.

Grady was at one time one of the five best One Pocket players in the world. Some even considered him to be number one! He preferred to play old school One Pocket when gambling, but created his “Four Ball” rule specifically for tournament play.

Grady and I didn’t always see eye to eye but I had a lot of respect for his knowledge of the game. He taught us many new shots that he created or devised. To demean him or his pool acumen is very misguided imo. He probably forgot more about this game than most of us know.

 

[Island Drive]

A 60-second shot clock (with one 60-sec. extension per player per rack) is used in the streamed matches at DCC.

Chess move timers....?

 

[garczar]

Grady was at one time one of the five best One Pocket players in the world. Some even considered him to be number one! He preferred to play old school One Pocket when gambling, but created his “Four Ball” rules specifically for tournament play.

Grady and I didn’t always see eye to eye but I had a lot of respect for his knowledge of the game. He taught us many new shots that he created or devised. To demean him or his pool acumen is very misguided imo. He probably forgot more about this game than most of us know.

Agree 100%. I'd say you might get more people playing the game if they started out this way and then go to the traditional longer style as they start to learn. Hard enough to get people on a 9ft table at all much less playing a game that might last 2hrs for one rack.

 

[Island Drive]

Are you guys ok? DCC is for gamblers/players. There might be 5 gamblers/players in the country who prefer 8 ball to one pocket. The main tournament games of banks, 1 hole, and 9 ball, are the gambling games, and don't need changing

Nice post, you got me giggling....

Here's another perspective, I got this thought from Snooker.
They have a 6 ball Snooker event, that players like.
Try this, if you get into the losers/by back side, go to the short rack, maybe a ten ball rack or a six ball rack, race tah two.

 

[garczar]

Instead of some hokey pokey Hurry up madness like Grady's rules just have the games played to 7 balls instead of 8. Changes nothing in terms of the overall play of the game. Players don't have to learn some complex set of rules or watch a clock(which can bring in stalling btw which I can't believe nobody has considered). Nobody has to police it.

How often does a runout come up 1 ball short, think about that. And then how often does that guy have to play 15-20-30 more minutes to get that final ball. All those games are over playing to 7 instead of 8. The game is basically unchanged and everyone is happy.

People are still going to go up table, that's the problem, too many balls in the kitchen. Going to 7b will not change that one bit. GR are not madness but an effective way to get a tourn. done on time. Grady ran 1p events for years at his room and they used it every time. Nobody whined.

 

[Island Drive]

Here's a quick version of Snooker on a 6x12, and the players seem to enjoy it.
Obviously don't do a round robin. But it's ALLOT quicker.
10 ball one pocket on the losers side might work .

What is 6 red ball snooker?
Six-red snooker is a shorted version of the traditional game, with only six red balls on the table to start as opposed to the usual 15. This year's tournament is made up of 32 players divided into eight groups of four in a round-robin format.Mar 11, 2023

 

[briankenobi]

I have been going to the DCC for over 20 years now as both a player and spectator. They obviously have to do something to avoid what happened last year. This event has grown so much from when I first started going and it was at the Exec West. Here are a few of my opinions from reading the whole thread.

I know people like "old 1 pocket" rules. And I completely understand that and like to play that way when I play with my friends. However, the DCC 1 pocket event is not a gambling event. Its a tournament. Its not necessarily going to be the same and people need to accept that.

I know that the original idea for the DCC is to mimic the feel of Johnson City, to be more of a gambling event that just happens to have a couple tournaments mixed in. And maybe people may prefer that. It isn't like that anymore. The main part of DCC are the tournaments. The gambling is secondary. I know it was stated that if the action room went away, then DCC would go away. Won't happen. If the action room went away, yeah you would have all the people who are there mainly to gamble go away, but you would still have an event with all those high level amateurs and pro players.

Return to 4.5 inch pockets would a great thing. The amateur players still outnumber the pro players in this event.

 

[skogstokig]

2-3 hrs is one thing but 5hr+ defensive bunt-fests are another. If guys want to do that then match up for $$ later on.

but the rule change comes in at 2h if i understand correctly? efren vs alex last year was a great match and it was pushing 3 hours.

maybe the benefits outweighs the negative aspects, even for us 1p fans. i guess we'll see. or maybe they'll make an exception for the TV table since it already has a shot clock. that would make sense

 

[Island Drive]

Or they could Limit the field?

 

[InsertCleverNameHere]

People are still going to go up table, that's the problem, too many balls in the kitchen. Going to 7b will not change that one bit. GR are not madness but an effective way to get a tourn. done on time. Grady ran 1p events for years at his room and they used it every time. Nobody whined.

Nobody whined? That’s absolutely untrue sir.

 

[maha]

alex plays way too slow. all he has to be told is to speed it up to his opponents speed of play or don't enter the tournament.

funny how that will speed up all the play from players that have to check all the options each shot.
which of course gives them some edge but ruins the game..

 

[Island Drive]

It's not that easy to speed up a player who pays his rent by gambling.

 

[lfigueroa]

No it doesn't. Still have to play good 1p, it just stops the mind-numbingly slowwwww up table crap. Hey, use traditional rules while gambling that's fine but trying to run a tournament on time it is a problem. Only having four balls in the kitchen is only a problem for those that cause the problem in the first place. There's a reason most 1p players are old: they sat thru too many of these brutal bunt festivals.

You need to get out more.

At the DCC and pretty much all other events I've been to it's a pretty young crowd looking to shoot your nuts off.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Grady was at one time one of the five best One Pocket players in the world. Some even considered him to be number one! He preferred to play old school One Pocket when gambling, but created his “Four Ball” rule specifically for tournament play.

Grady and I didn’t always see eye to eye but I had a lot of respect for his knowledge of the game. He taught us many new shots that he created or devised. To demean him or his pool acumen is very misguided imo. He probably forgot more about this game than most of us know.

Funny about that.

I don't recall him implementing any express or Grady Rules at the:

'91 Legends of One Pocket, in SC;
'91 Legends of One Pocket, at Philly;
'93 Legends of One Pocket, in Reno;
'94 Legends of One Pocket, at Philly;
'95 Legends of One Pocket, at Olathe;
'98 Legends of One Pocket, at Baton Rouge;
'00 Legends of One Pocket, in SC; or the
2004 Gulf Coast Classic.

Lou Figueroa
seems odd

 

[lfigueroa]

People are still going to go up table, that's the problem, too many balls in the kitchen. Going to 7b will not change that one bit. GR are not madness but an effective way to get a tourn. done on time. Grady ran 1p events for years at his room and they used it every time. Nobody whined.

I call BS -- we're talking about pool players.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Nobody whined? That’s absolutely untrue sir.

yeah, no kidding.

Just a little more seriously: it's one thing if someone like Grady is holding a regular tournament at his room, getting all the same players every month. People come to accept it and get use to playing under whatever rule. But the DCC is a different animal with new faces every year and widely varying levels of player experience. And IMO, when they enter the One Pocket division at the Derby, well, they expect to play one pocket.

Lou Figueroa

 

[jay helfert]

yeah, no kidding.

Just a little more seriously: it's one thing if someone like Grady is holding a regular tournament at his room, getting all the same players every month. People come to accept it and get use to playing under whatever rule. But the DCC is a different animal with new faces every year and widely varying levels of player experience. And IMO, when they enter the One Pocket division at the Derby, well, they expect to play one pocket.

Lou Figueroa

I agree that DCC is a different animal. They are trying to hold three large field tournaments in only nine days! HELLO!!

There is a reason they do not play Full Rack Banks. It is due to time constraints. Greg Sullivan is an old school One Pocket player and he held on as long as he could. He began revising the rules to speed up play two years ago but finally realized it was not enough.

That is why we see the Four Ball rule coming into play this year. I would predict that by next year it will be used from the beginning of the matches. Maybe some old school guys will quit playing in it and so be it. There will be more than enough young guys coming in to replace them. The fields will remain just as large and the play will be even more exciting. Best of all the matches will go off on schedule!

Greg and Chad needed to do something to keep DCC relevant in this new era of pro pool, so good for them.