Making a profit shouldn't be the issue. Misrepresentation is what some find distasteful on a pool community forum.
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You really are braindead. You still don't get what happened here. Go have a Thoarzine smoothie and a long nap.
I never asked him, know he keeps price down by doing R & D & Production off shore.
I am sure many of components in a Cue lik were Pins, JPs, Rubber Bunper are made by Cuemaker.
Or Linen Wrap material.
Think most consumers want product that works, and company stand behind, and has warranty that is real.
I seriously doubt that Dean told David Schmelke what he was planning. Dean is the one that lied. Told everyone that JP was involved. Wrong. Pure scam job. Took a $250 cue and by using JP's name boosted the price to 600. Like i said, keep defending him. Says a lot.
Why don’t you call David at Schmelke, and interview interview him.
Deanoc’s Cues did not look like typical Schmelke.
my big problem with dean was his complete lack of posting etiquette and manners. He would spam the living daylights out of the main forum with pointless, stupid threads that were thinly veiled advertisements for his business, if you could understand them at all. He could and should have been banned long before the Jackpot fiasco.
I've been an interested bystander here and don't want to reread hundreds of old posts to confirm all the facts but as far as I have been able to figure:
1. Before the Jackpot scandal, Dean sold people a lot of different brand cues and people were generally happy with the cues and with Dean.
2. Thereafter Dean posted on AZB that Jack Potter, the maker of Jackpot cues, was going to be making a few more and Dean was going to sell them.
3. Jack Potter didn't make any of the cues, they were made by Schmelke.
4. Dean never mentioned they were made by Schmelke.
5. Dean charged about double or triple what Schmelke would charge for the cues Dean sold.
6. Schmelke cues are good cues and excellent values.
To me the problems to focus on are 2, 3, 4 and 5. Numbers 1 and 6 are irrelevant as regards Dean's conduct regarding the Jackpot scandal.
1. Before the Jackpot scandal, Dean sold people a lot of different brand cues and people were generally happy with the cues and with Dean.
2. Thereafter Dean posted on AZB that Jack Potter, the maker of Jackpot cues, was going to be making a few more and Dean was going to sell them.
3. Jack Potter didn't make any of the cues, they were made by Schmelke.
4. Dean never mentioned they were made by Schmelke.
5. Dean charged about double or triple what Schmelke would charge for the cues Dean sold.
6. Schmelke cues are good cues and excellent values.
To me the problems to focus on are 2, 3, 4 and 5. Numbers 1 and 6 are irrelevant as regards Dean's conduct regarding the Jackpot scandal.
And that's fine, we just don't need to be reminded of it in many unrelated threads every day, maybe users are just trying to get their post count up. The problem is that discounting this subject many times we only hear one side of the story, it can be difficult to make purchasing decisions based on 1 persons version of the truth. I think Deanoc admitted fault with his decisions when he offered to buy the cues back, isn't it time to let sleeping dogs lie already?? Unfortunately there are people who cant let things rest, Im surprised we have not heard more on the Design Your Own Cue contest where the winner won a custom cue from a cue maker that never made good on the deal who I cant remember, but it must certainly be time to bring it up again.
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Yes I recall design your own contest, in the end that Cuemaker died, and winner got nothing.
Felt bad for winner, when contest happened, I did not have idea for design.
So I had no chance of winning. Not getting prize sucked.
Correct, because aside from you and HE, everyone is ashamed to admit they own(ed) one. Just because you two drank the koolaid, doesn't mean that everyone else should be subjected to it. Since neither of you has ever given a real answer to the question, I can only come to the conclusion that you and HE both approve of Dean's deceitful ways, which further hurts your chances of making sales yourselves. Go back to NPR where you both belong.While your at it lookup JACKPOTS IN FOR SALE SECTION, none or few were offered for sale.
Real ownerS loved, the same people crying about Deanoc pricing, also hate anyone making profit on anything.
Go to
Local ER in need of stitches, do you cry about how much, for what. It’s all good as insurance is paying.
Were you forced to read them?
I bought and played with a schmelke for awhile when my shop wasn't set up. Also, I was curious how someone could build what are semi-custom cues that cheap.
Before the things I didn't like I will talk about full splice blanks. First thing, you have to have the machinery and any jigs and fixtures you might be using set up well and while there are a lot of ways to make a full splice joint, the machinery has to be stiff enough and heavy duty enough that it is repeatable blank after blank.
Then a person has to know about how to do glue ups, a bit more to doing it right than it might appear. I could teach a willing and intelligent helper how to put together full splice blanks in half a day. Note that I am not saying teach them how to set up the equipment, only how to use it. They will get faster with time but the quality of the blanks they build the first day while closely supervised will be the equal of any they make.
Now we come to what I didn't like about the schmelke. I ordered an overlength shaft, curiosity. It was a noodle, rivaled my early eighties moochie shaft, maybe worse! Cut it down to thirty inches whittling from the tip end and the shaft was OK. Pretty sure I specified ferrule and tip but this was some years back, anyway. After I cut down the shaft I put my ferrule and tip on it and life was good. Kinda neutral on the shaft, it was what I ordered but I wouldn't have let a shaft out of my shop that was unplayable. In my days experimenting with shafts I build one that played very similarly. Everybody in Buffalo's old place heard it snap when I made sure nobody fished it out of the garbage can with my name attached to it.
Now, the pin was garbage, very limber, appeared to be cut from cheap threaded stock. It was also very short, especially the part screwed into the butt. More about the shaft: One day I was playing with the cue and bumped the shaft down near the tip, not hard, I didn't ding the shaft. Much to my surprise, the stick broke half in two! A closer look showed me that the insert had been threaded into an oversized hole in the shaft, no thread cutting needed to put the insert in the shaft since the outside threads of the insert barely scored the wood in the oversized hole. A small dollop of glue was supposed to make this good. Might work with more glue used but that was typical of the hardware and install. I use better grade inserts but properly installed this one should have been adequate.
By the time I owned the cue six months I had replaced everything but the one piece bocate butt which is too thin for my liking but is definitely a personal preference thing. I suspect that they buy wood bulk and save a little with the skinny butts but I wanted a light cue. Drilling alone might not have gotten it light enough.
For I think $165, I got pretty much the same cue I could have gotten for a little less than half that price had I bought a production cue. It was an interesting experiment but my curiosity has been satisfied. You can't buy gold for the price of lead. I haven't kept up for years but there have been some very well made cues for sale new from posters on AZB for $600 to $1000, even a few under five hundred.
I considered the whole $165 speculative when I ordered the schmelke. All things considered I think I got $65 worth of cue and $100 worth of education, not bad really. Had I unknowingly paid $600 for a schmelke thinking I was buying a cue from a respected small shop, then I would be feeling sore in an area of my anatomy best not mentioned on AZB!
Looking at your custom I would expect to see better quality hardware, and that hardware installed properly. Since most of the work can't be seen unless the cue fails it is impossible for me to name the differences you can see. That is why feel is so highly valued. Feel is a matter of the component choices the cue builder made and how those components were put together.
In another time period I put together some 1911 pistols with mostly oversized parts carefully hand fitted. All ran like seven day clocks and they had a nice collection of wins and records. Work with 1911's enough and you can feel every mechanical action inside the gun. Mine felt pretty good! Then a youngster brought a couple of 1911 bullseye pistols that he had inherited from his dad to a match. Gorgeous on the outside, perfect on the inside according to my educated elbow. Pool cues are much the same. Hit some and they feel false immediately, some feel false after some use. Then there are the good to great playing cues. You can hit the cue ball into the rail with one of these a few times and know you have gold in your hands.
Apologies for the length of the reply but I suspect you know that is how I roll!
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The same could be said of folks being "forced" to read the distaste for the deception. Are you and Coco forced to read it? Doesn't fly...
If Deano had apologized for his mistake, instead of doubling down on it, this would have all passed. Same with the DIY contest.
Well Deanoc handle the situation they way he wanted to.
I would be sort of interested just how many Jackpots were build, and sold?
How many are still are in hands of original owners?
But shall Not know if owners don’t speak up.
Eye of Hawaii has two, loves em, and they are NSF.
I would be sort of interested just how many Jackpots were build, and sold?
How many are still are in hands of original owners?
But shall Not know if owners don’t speak up.
Eye of Hawaii has two, loves em, and they are NSF.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
I have always disliked dishonesty in any context. In some situations, a confession and request for forgiveness may have the desired effect, but the ability to forgive is seldom, if ever, coupled with the ability to forget. No matter how long, or tight, the relationship, very few will survive a deliberate lie on a significant matter. Further, a deception among friends or acquaintances is far different than one involving a stranger.
From the pro-Dean faction, here is what I want to know in order to understand your position. Why was it acceptable for Dean to lie? Would it be okay for someone else to do the same? If so, who else among AZB's member would get the same pass?
From the pro-Dean faction, here is what I want to know in order to understand your position. Why was it acceptable for Dean to lie? Would it be okay for someone else to do the same? If so, who else among AZB's member would get the same pass?
Well from where we are in 2022 Lying must be acceptable people in public office do it daily for living.
Think the Golden Rule is slightly tarnished, and will be tought to get shinny again.
Many years of self employment taught me one thing, not everyone who tells you how they pay, or when you will get paid is honest.
Sometimes you put up with people
because you struggling to stay afloat. When the day comes you no longer need these clients who are more trouble than value. When they call, just say I am unavailable, or booked.
At some point they will quit calling, but never tell off until retired.
After retiring not necessary to tel off as your retired.
wonder if he ever got the weight right when getting down with that str8 shootin Tommy Ray
i'll have to give the skallywag a shout...